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  1. RevengE

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    Really its up to you, Some Will say Intel, some will Say AMD. If I was you I would go AMD, But thats just me. They are both Great CPUs
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    The 9550 will OC further than an Phenom II X4 on air if paired with a good mobo. P45 mobos tend to clock high, that's why I suggested one. 4GHz is as simple as a board that can do 470FSB.

    A PII X4 Black Edition doesn't need quite as good of a mobo, because you can raise it's multiplier instead of raising the FSB on the board. Most I've seen get to 3.6-3.8 or so on air, stable and safe. Any clocks you see higher than that, are likely not on safe voltages.
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    Well Im out for the night If you need anything else Bokteelo just Pm me Ill be back on tomorrow. Wile E is a good guy he will help you some more.
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    I think I'll go for the PII X4, since it's cheaper. I'm not sure though, Wile E said that the Q9550 is "way" better! I don't know how much better, and if that small amount of cash will make a large difference, I'll go for the Q9550.

    I was told that Black Edition CPUs eat power like a baby in a candy shop! How is that compared to the Q9550?

    Okay, so for around 60 more dollars, I can get the Q9550 that will OC better, and at a safer voltage.

    I won't PM you, I know you'll be nice enough to check back here and drop some more advice! =D
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    I just wanted to note that both CPUs are still very good. You'll sacrifice a little CPU performance by going with the X4, but you'll likely be able to save a few dollars on the mobo (if you don't decide to go AM3, which could backfire in terms of upgrades), and it should be easier to clock in terms of number of adjustments that need to be made. If you do go AM3 instead of AM2+ on the mobo, the prices won't really be that much different.

    As far as games, you'll be hard pressed to tell the difference between a PII X4 at 3.8GHz, and a 9550 at 4GHz. But doing things like video encoding will show a noticeable difference.
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    Sorry for the double post again, but on that note, it's 4AM here. I need to get to bed. i'll check back on this again tomorrow.
  7. Bokteelo New Member

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    Okay, so both CPUs are good. If I go with the X4, I'll save some money on the motherboard, but in order to future proof my computer I think I'm going to go with AM3. This way, prices will be the same with the X4 + AM3 OR the Q9550 with whatever motherboard Wile E mentioned.

    BUT, the X4+AM3 won't OC as well but it will be easier, whereas Intel might screw me over and upgrade to a new socket soon, so I probably won't be able to incrementally upgrade.

    Edit1: As for memory... isn't memory just memory? What's the difference between all the brands out there, I just don't understand.

    Edit2: I remember that someone suggested going with DDR3 memory, the latency of DDR3 is better than DDR1/2, but what exactly is latency? And what is the difference between DDR2 and DDR3???

    Edit3: If I plan on OCing, wouldn't I need a heatsink? I was told never to trust stock things, so yeah...! Anybody know of a good heatsink? (These questions are mainly directed to Shadow and Wile, because they put together a rig for me within the proper price ranges, but anybody can answer these!)

    Edit4: The differences between these:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145214
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231184
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
    are? I know that the XMS memory is cheaper, but what's the big difference? And is Corsair better or is the one Wile mentioned better?

    Edit5: If I'm going to pay almost $300 for the Q9550, why not pay around the same for a Core i7?

    Wile, would the Phenom II X4 OC better paired with a better mobo? I'm afraid Intel will release a new socket soon, and my rig will be rendered almost useless in a couple of years. (Unless AMD will release a new socket within the next 1-2 years too, then it'd be pointless to even bother deciding between the two, since Intel would be the obvious pick.)
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    just get a e5200, and a p43/p45 board, they're really cheap nowadays, so that you can get a really good gfx, you won't regret it.
  9. Bokteelo New Member

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    Is the ATi Radeon HD 4870 1MB not good enough?
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    Well, I haven't read all the posts (left after 1st page), because it's boring :eek:, sorry. I have read a bit here and there though, and I have to agree with many of th things that I have read so far. This is just like a +1 to other suggestions I guess, though there are some of mine.

    - Between Intel/AMD I would go AMD if you want your PC to last some time and upgrade it along the way, AM3 socket of course. Only cheap Intels are for the already dying socket 775, so upgrading options would be more limited.
    - take a good case and PSU, though they don't have to be expensive. I've seen some good suggestions there.
    - take your time, when building, when overclocking and when buying, give it time to find good deals.
    - if for gaming give more importance to the graphics card than other parts. more than 512MB or vram.
    - i'm afraid of this suggestion, but I wouldn't buy expensive OC RAM yet and would try to find a high multiplier CPU instead and lowering the RAM multiplier if required. i.e buying 800 Mhz RAM, set the multiplier to make it 667 Mhz and Overclock from there, it's not until high OCs where ram speed starts to matter enough. Think that in 1-2 years when you will really need the higher OCs, you could still buy better RAM, and probably after that purchase you would have spent the same ammount of cash as if you had purchased the fast one in the first place, plus you would keep the old ones for whatever you want. Hardware prices DO evolve that way.
    - I would go with a quad core CPU.

    Hope this helps, although probably everything had been said already. :toast:

    EDIT: OH and BTW I too thought a CPU engineer had joined TPU and was looking for help in creating an indie CPU Company or something like that. :roll:
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    'Looking to build a CPU'

    lulz!
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    I'm soo used to work people that I didnt even notice that. :laugh:


    welcome and enjoy tpu. Honestly I dont worry about OC'in causeing hardware failure. I've been running my cpu oc'd from 2.4 to 3.2 with no issues for months. I personally buy hardware kind of frequently due to the fact that i have a "its not good enough theres something better out there" attitude. As long as your watch your volts and keep a eye on your temos you should be golden. and you can set temps in your bios for shut off points. Its one of those at your own risk deals but its well worth it and I dont think you'll regret it.
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    Okay, so just average memory will manage. I guess I'll end up going for the PII X4 BE w/ an AM3 mobo to max out my computer's potential. (I'm not sure though, I'm still deciding between the PII X4 BE, Q9550, and Core i7.) I suddenly decided to go Intel because of this thread: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=87164

    Anyway!!! As of now, this is what I have in mind:

    CPU & Mobo:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358

    Gfx:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.163933

    Memory:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184 (I might switch it up for some Corsair Dominator, still waiting for more answers regarding my memory questions.)

    Hard Drive:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136320 (Might get a second, but I'm sure 500 GB is enough room for now.)

    PSU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

    Thermal Compound:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

    Cooling:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233023&Tpk=Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE (Can I have two of them?)

    So what I have now is around $680. Not bad! I have most of the expensive stuff down, I guess I'll have to throw out a couple more hundred for the rest. (Case, heatsink, efficient fans, etc.)
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    Everything looks good. I still say Phenom II x3 + 790GX. Cheaper and the performance wouldn't make much of a difference in games.

    Don't forget the other stuff..
    LG DVD Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152
    Corsair 550w PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004
    Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147075

    And yes you will want a bad ass cooler for overclocking
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233023&Tpk=Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233030&Tpk=Xigmatek
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    Morning Shadow! Would a 550w PSU be enough?

    You probably have your reasons for sticking with the Phenom II x3 + 790 GX, but I'm not too sure about the tri core, I'm leaning more towards a quad. (Wile said that the Q9550 is great, so yeah why not?)

    Why should I get the Q9550 and not the cheapest i7? The prices are around the same.

    Does the LG DVD drive burn CDs?

    Also, can I have 2 CPU coolers? (Would the case you mentioned have slots/holes for it?) And as for the case, why not one that's a little better for airflow? Have any suggestions? I'll be willing to spit out maybe 50-75 for a better case if it'll drop my temp by around 5-10 C.

    PS - Where can I get SATA cables? The hard drive I'm ordering is OEM, and I read that it doesn't come with cables so I'm going to need some!

    Oh and will my rig have fancy lights like other custom built gaming computers?
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    Those seem like good options to me.

    Mind that Core i7 is expensive, chosing it would be like making a complete U turn, out from your first intentions IMHO, but if that's what you want go for it. You probably won't regret it.

    I don't know the price for Dominators nowadays, I just know that I spent a lot more than what I would have spent for more modest memory and I'm far from reaching it's limits with the mild overclocks that I have done so far (~3.5Ghz only for testing). I bought them to make a big return into the overclocking world, but I ended up doing nothing. I like what the EPU SixEngine does to my PC regarding power consumption and noise and it's incompatible with OCing so I have my PC on stock most of the times anyway. :eek:

    Nice. Except: Corsair 650w - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005 - only $5 more, i think it's clear!!
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    Yeah, sure I'll pay another $5 for another 100w. So this is what it looks like right now:

    CPU & Mobo:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358

    Gfx:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.163933

    Memory:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184 (I might switch it up for some Corsair Dominator, still waiting for more answers regarding my memory questions.)

    Hard Drive:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136320 (Might get a second, but I'm sure 500 GB is enough room for now.)

    PSU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

    Thermal Compound:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

    Cooling:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233023&Tpk=Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE (Can I have two of them?)
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    You killed me there You want to build a CPU and you are new to computers:roll:
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    You guys will never let me live that down will you! :cry:

    r9.. you're Core 2 Duo E5200 is running at 4.8ghz?! Sweet!
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    A 4870 is an awesome card, it's one of ATIs best of course other than the 4870x2 which is what I own. The 4870 is fine :)
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    Sticking to 775 is wandering away from your future-proofing plans. Intel socket 1366 (Core i7/i5), or AMD socket AM3 (Phenom II) are the ones you would want for that.

    i7
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130221

    PII
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131366
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103649

    These are obviously going to perform much differently, but for their respective platforms each give the best price for performance. While the AMD will be easier to OC, the i7 will take you a whole lot further. Both platforms will be around a lot longer than the LGA775 or AM2, and I wouldn't build a new system on either.
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    get a E8400 it is good for gaming and its cheap!!you dont need a expensive quad core belive me,it would be just a waist of money+you could get a better GPU for yhat saved money;)
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    Better GPU? A 1gb 4870 is fine for him.
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    it is i didnt read all the posts:rolleyes:.BUT NO QUAD.
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    In two years he might need.

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