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Hey guys, I've been thinking about upgrading my ageing X58 system to a smaller mATX build, my current thoughts are as follows:

CASE Corsair MicroATX Carbide Series AIR 240 White
MB ASUS S1150 MicroATX Maximus VII Gene Motherboard
CPU Intel S1150 Core i7 4790K 4.00Ghz Quad Core CPU
RAM DDR3 16GB (2x8G) 1866MHz Kingston HyperX FURY BLACK RAM
GPU NVIDIA GTX970 4GB ASUS OC STRIX
COOLING Corsair H105 High Performance CPU Liquid Cooler
HDD 256GB Samsung XP941 M.2 PCIe SSD Drive
PSU Using my existing Corsair AX1200

Any thoughts, advice?
 
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Pretty good.. i'm wondering if it's a little big that PSU for your project,
Excellent hardware by the way fella!

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Looks like a pretty good setup overall, just a few ??

1) What OS are you planning on using
2) Are you not planning on using a spinning HDD for storage and keep the SSD as an OS Boot drive ?
3) Are you not gonna have an Optical drive ? (no matter either way, just curious)
4) What provisions, if any have you made for cooling beyond the cpu cooler ?

FYI....I am in the process of buying parts for/building a similar, albeit slightly lower-spec'd machine, and these are some of the questions I was asked from the start.... :)
 
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Pretty good.. i'm wondering if it's a little big that PSU for your project,
Excellent hardware by the way fella!

Regards,
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I was planning to use my existing PSU, save buying another. Normally, yes I agree it would be overkill

Looks like a pretty good setup overall, just a few ??

1) What OS are you planning on using
Currently using Windows 10 Preview, I was going to upgrade to the final when time came

2) Are you not planning on using a spinning HDD for storage and keep the SSD as an OS Boot drive ?
I was planning to use my current 1TB WD Caviar Black for storage and 120GB Vertex 3 SSD for purely games

3) Are you not gonna have an Optical drive ? (no matter either way, just curious)
Don't need one really, if I really have to I would just go with an external

4) What provisions, if any have you made for cooling beyond the cpu cooler ?
None really, the GPU should be fine and there should be enough airflow getting through for everything else

FYI....I am in the process of buying parts for/building a similar, albeit slightly lower-spec'd machine, and these are some of the questions I was asked from the start.... :)
 
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Looks pretty good. As an owner of the Corsair AX1200 (for about 3 years and many different builds), I couldn't agree more with keeping it for your new build. Wonderful PSU:toast:

What will the new build be used for? If gaming, what resolution do you utilize?
 
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Looks pretty good. As an owner of the Corsair AX1200 (for about 3 years and many different builds), I couldn't agree more with keeping it for your new build. Wonderful PSU:toast:

What will the new build be used for? If gaming, what resolution do you utilize?

Generally I use the PC for day to day tasks and I game a little atm at resolution 1920x1080 using a 27" Samsung SA350 which is plenty for me

I was thinking of going with a MSI Z97M Gaming mobo, any good bad experiences from anyone?
 
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Hey guys, I've been thinking about upgrading my ageing X58 system to a smaller mATX build, my current thoughts are as follows:

CASE Corsair MicroATX Carbide Series AIR 240 White
MB ASUS S1150 MicroATX Maximus VII Gene Motherboard
CPU Intel S1150 Core i7 4790K 4.00Ghz Quad Core CPU
RAM DDR3 16GB (2x8G) 1866MHz Kingston HyperX FURY BLACK RAM
GPU NVIDIA GTX970 4GB ASUS OC STRIX
COOLING Corsair H105 High Performance CPU Liquid Cooler
HDD 256GB Samsung XP941 M.2 PCIe SSD Drive
PSU Using my existing Corsair AX1200

Any thoughts, advice?
The M.2 drive is very tempting, I know because I got a Plextor M6e when they came out. The problem is, you won't ever notice the increased sequential speeds. Your daily use scenario involves mostly small 4k reads and writes by the OS. The XP941 won't feel noticeably faster than an 840 Pro or 850 Pro, it only looks better in sequential benchmarks. Using the M.2 slot will also disable 2 of your Intel SATA ports. Asus M.2 slots only support PCIe 2.0 x 2 lanes, the XP941 is PCIe 2.0 x 4 lanes, so it won't perform at full speed anyway unless it's mounted in a PCIe x 4 M.2 card, or used with a board that has an "ultra M.2 slot" (PCIe 3.0 x 4 lanes). Like the Asrock Z97 Extreme 6 (which disables at least 3 SATA ports if M.2 is populated). Either way, it's probably not worth the expense and trouble unless you have the extra PCIe lanes of the X99 chipset and Haswell E CPU (28 to 40 lanes). Z97's 16 lanes are not enough to support fast M.2 without sacrificing something, possibly also VGA bandwidth.
 
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The M.2 drive is very tempting, I know because I got a Plextor M6e when they came out. The problem is, you won't ever notice the increased sequential speeds. Your daily use scenario involves mostly small 4k reads and writes by the OS. The XP941 won't feel noticeably faster than an 840 Pro or 850 Pro, it only looks better in sequential benchmarks. Using the M.2 slot will also disable 2 of your Intel SATA ports. Asus M.2 slots only support PCIe 2.0 x 2 lanes, the XP941 is PCIe 2.0 x 4 lanes, so it won't perform at full speed anyway unless it's mounted in a PCIe x 4 M.2 card, or used with a board that has an "ultra M.2 slot" (PCIe 3.0 x 4 lanes). Like the Asrock Z97 Extreme 6 (which disables at least 3 SATA ports if M.2 is populated). Either way, it's probably not worth the expense and trouble unless you have the extra PCIe lanes of the X99 chipset and Haswell E CPU (28 to 40 lanes). Z97's 16 lanes are not enough to support fast M.2 without sacrificing something, possibly also VGA bandwidth.

I understand all that and quite honestly you're right. My understanding though (if I'm correct) is that the 256GB XP941 M.2 only just over saturates the SATA M.2 interface by about 80MB/s anyway, the 512GB XP941 is a different matter again. As far as performance and what I generally use the PC for, I agree, I won't see a great difference at all from a 840 Pro or 850 Pro for example for the majority of tasks put to use. Honestly, buying a X99 for the additional lanes is really just an expense I don't want and from the reviews I've read, reduction from PCIe x16 to x8 for the GPU won't hurt the performance of a 970 GTX in any case. More than anything really, I just like new tech and quite honestly the M.2 just interest me atm. Thanks though, good comments :)
 
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I understand all that and quite honestly you're right. My understanding though (if I'm correct) is that the 256GB XP941 M.2 only just over saturates the SATA M.2 interface by about 80MB/s anyway, the 512GB XP941 is a different matter again. As far as performance and what I generally use the PC for, I agree, I won't see a great difference at all from a 840 Pro or 850 Pro for example for the majority of tasks put to use. Honestly, buying a X99 for the additional lanes is really just an expense I don't want and from the reviews I've read, reduction from PCIe x16 to x8 for the GPU won't hurt the performance of a 970 GTX in any case. More than anything really, I just like new tech and quite honestly the M.2 just interest me atm. Thanks though, good comments :)
This article from TweakTown explains the difference -
To get that level of performance, Samsung tapped a new 3-core controller and paired it with Low Power DDR2 DRAM and 19nm Toggle MLC NAND flash. The UAX controller is a PCIe to SATA bridge that operates on PCIe 2.0 in either x2 or x4 mode. To get the most out of your XP941, you need to use an x4 slot, but using an x2 (10Gb/s) slot will only reduce the sequential read by 80 MB/s and have little or no effect on the sequential write speed.

Read more at http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6630/samsung-xp941-256gb-ultra-m-2-pcie-ssd-review/index.html
So the x2 slot won't slow it down much, but still...I agree, X99 isn't worth it, too many problems with DDR4 and overclocking, but it will natively boot Windows from an XP941 (Z97 requires workarounds/UEFI booting)
 
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This article from TweakTown explains the difference -
To get that level of performance, Samsung tapped a new 3-core controller and paired it with Low Power DDR2 DRAM and 19nm Toggle MLC NAND flash. The UAX controller is a PCIe to SATA bridge that operates on PCIe 2.0 in either x2 or x4 mode. To get the most out of your XP941, you need to use an x4 slot, but using an x2 (10Gb/s) slot will only reduce the sequential read by 80 MB/s and have little or no effect on the sequential write speed.

Read more at http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6630/samsung-xp941-256gb-ultra-m-2-pcie-ssd-review/index.html
So the x2 slot won't slow it down much, but still...I agree, X99 isn't worth it, too many problems with DDR4 and overclocking, but it will natively boot Windows from an XP941 (Z97 requires workarounds/UEFI booting)

What is worrying more than anything for me is the actual heat these things create:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Samsung-XP941-Plextor-PX-G256-M6e-M-2-Qualification-575/

I'm really not too sure ATM which way to go and to even upgrade or not.....
 
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So I've settled on my new mATX build and placed order's for the following:

CASE Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Micro Tower Chassis Glacier White
MB MSI Z97M Gaming Motherboard
CPU Intel S1150 Core i7 4790K 4.00Ghz Quad Core CPU
RAM DDR3 16GB (2x8G) 1866MHz Kingston HyperX FURY REDRAM
GPU MSI NVIDIA GTX 970 Gaming 4G Graphics Card
COOLING Corsair H105 High Performance CPU Liquid Cooler
HDD Samsung 850 EVO Series 250GB SSD
PSU Using my existing Corsair AX1200

I've decided to go with the EVO instead of the XP941 m.2 which is more sensible at this moment and to keep the cost down. I also chose the Enthoo Evolv over the Air 240 case, a little more expensive but a much better premium product I think. I also thought the MSI Z97M should hold up quite well from the reviews I have read, this was a toss up between the Asus Gene VII but the cheaper price was the deciding factor at the end of the day. All in all the system cost me in total $1,897.22 AUD which I think is a reasonable price for a mid-high end gaming rig.
 
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So I've settled on my new mATX build and placed order's for the following:

CASE Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Micro Tower Chassis Glacier White
MB MSI Z97M Gaming Motherboard
CPU Intel S1150 Core i7 4790K 4.00Ghz Quad Core CPU
RAM DDR3 16GB (2x8G) 1866MHz Kingston HyperX FURY REDRAM
GPU MSI NVIDIA GTX 970 Gaming 4G Graphics Card
COOLING Corsair H105 High Performance CPU Liquid Cooler
HDD Samsung 850 EVO Series 250GB SSD
PSU Using my existing Corsair AX1200

I've decided to go with the EVO instead of the XP941 m.2 which is more sensible at this moment and to keep the cost down. I also chose the Enthoo Evolv over the Air 240 case, a little more expensive but a much better premium product I think. I also thought the MSI Z97M should hold up quite well from the reviews I have read, this was a toss up between the Asus Gene VII but the cheaper price was the deciding factor at the end of the day. All in all the system cost me in total $1,897.22 AUD which I think is a reasonable price for a mid-high end gaming rig.
Very sensible. I'm jealous - I really wanted to get an Evolve case for my recent mATX build. I opted for the Thermaltake Core V21, which is also a decent, sturdy case. Couldn't justify the cost for my "budget overclocked gamer", and I knew it would Quickly be gone anyway (already sold!). But no case could ever look as premium as one with 1/8 inch thick aluminum panels all around...maybe next build....
 
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Very sensible. I'm jealous - I really wanted to get an Evolve case for my recent mATX build. I opted for the Thermaltake Core V21, which is also a decent, sturdy case. Couldn't justify the cost for my "budget overclocked gamer", and I knew it would Quickly be gone anyway (already sold!). But no case could ever look as premium as one with 1/8 inch thick aluminum panels all around...maybe next build....

I can say now that the Evolv is such a great little case for a mATX build, no issues with build quality however I did have some issues fitting my existing 1200w PSU in position due to the hard drive cage obstructing, but managed to get it in without too much fuss.
 
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Build complete, nothing special, only a few very minor mods, very happy, no fuss build :)

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CASE Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Micro Tower Chassis Glacier White
MB MSI Z97M Gaming Motherboard
CPU Intel S1150 Core i7 4790K 4.00Ghz Quad Core CPU
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GPU MSI NVIDIA GTX 970 Gaming 4G Graphics Card
COOLING Corsair H105 High Performance CPU Liquid Cooler
HDD (OS) Samsung 850 EVO Series 250GB SSD, (Gaming) OCZ Vertex 3 120GB, (Storage) WD Caviar Black 1TB
PSU Existing Corsair AX1200
 
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I'm planning on getting that same case, imo best looking matx of all time. Also plan full custom loop again.

How much space would be left at the bottom if 2 graphics cards were installed, i can't find a pic with 2 up-to-date cards at all. I'm gessing not a lot of room.

Sexy looking build, keep us updated to any changes.
 
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The case is definitely worth it. Only advice is to ensure you use a smaller PSU than the AX1200 which I'm re-using from a previous rig. The length will conflict with the bottom HDD cages which currently holds my WD Caviar, I had to be a little creative but made it work eventually. As far as SLI and room at the bottom, there won't be much left at all as you can imagine from only two PCI-e slots remaining.
 
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System Name Desktop / Laptop
Processor AMD Ryzen R7 5600x / Intel i5-4200U
Motherboard ASUS TUF B550-Plus / Lenovo MB
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 / Stock
Memory Corsair Vengeance 2x16GB DDR 3800 / 8GB DDR3-1600MHz
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 6900XT / Intel HD 4400
Storage 2.5TB SSDs + 4TB HDD / Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB
Display(s) 34" LG Ultrawide / 12.5 " 1080p IPS Touchscreen
Case Fractal Design R6 / Lenovo X240
Audio Device(s) Onboard / Onboard
Power Supply Enermax REVOLUTION87+ 1000W / Lenovo 40W
Mouse Razer Basilisk X
Keyboard Dell Business Multimedia Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
Benchmark Scores Chicken Invaders 5 @125+ FPS
Build complete, nothing special, only a few very minor mods, very happy, no fuss build :)

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CASE Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Micro Tower Chassis Glacier White
MB MSI Z97M Gaming Motherboard
CPU Intel S1150 Core i7 4790K 4.00Ghz Quad Core CPU
RAM DDR3 16GB (2x8G) 1866MHz Kingston HyperX FURY RAM
GPU MSI NVIDIA GTX 970 Gaming 4G Graphics Card
COOLING Corsair H105 High Performance CPU Liquid Cooler
HDD (OS) Samsung 850 EVO Series 250GB SSD, (Gaming) OCZ Vertex 3 120GB, (Storage) WD Caviar Black 1TB
PSU Existing Corsair AX1200
Nicely done. love the case :toast:
 
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System Name Mainframe
Processor Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz/4.3GHz Turbo (OC'ed)
Motherboard ASUS ROG Maximus V Gene
Cooling 4 Apevia 120mm Blue LED Fans (Front/Top) + 1 80mm Rear Fan; Corsair Hydro H105 Liquid-Cooler on CPU
Memory 32GB Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz DDR3 (Silver, 8GB x 4)
Video Card(s) EVGA 4GB GDDR5 GeForce GTX 970 SuperClocked
Storage Corsair Neutron 240GB SSD/Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM
Display(s) ASUS 2ms 27"/Dell 5ms ST2310F 23"/60" HDTV (All displays are 1080p)
Case Black Corsair Carbide Air 240 Micro-ATX Box Tower
Audio Device(s) Onboard Crap
Power Supply ThermalTake TR2 700Watt
Mouse A-Jazz Wired LED Gaming Mouse
Keyboard A-Jazz LED-Backlit Gaming Keyboard
Software Windows 10
Benchmark Scores I don't even wanna try yet.
Nice build! My sole and only regret is that with that small dark window, all those awesome beautiful components can't be seen from the outside! Are you going to put a light of some sort in there to brighten it up?
 
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