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"In a bid to revive its chip design operations, Microsoft Corp. may acquire Advanced Micro Devices, according to a source familiar with the matter. The software giant approached AMD several months ago, the source indicated. The result of the talks is unclear."

http://www.kitguru.net/components/a...erested-to-buy-advanced-micro-devices-source/

Could you imagine AMD being owned by MS? What would be the repercussions for the industry if it happened?
 
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Could you imagine AMD being owned by MS? What would be the repercussions for the industry if it happened?

Yeah, Sony would be pissed!
 
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Sony would have to bring forward the PS5 pretty quickly, unless they were cool with paying their rival for their SoCs.
 
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Analysts estimate that Microsoft pays around $100 for every Xbox One system-on-chip to AMD. Life-to-date sales of Xbox One are around are around 12.6 million units, which means that Microsoft has already paid AMD around $1.26 billion for Xbox One chips. The acquisition of AMD could save it around a billion per year on Xbox One chips alone. It the company develops appropriate chips for smartphones and tablets, Microsoft’s savings could be even higher.

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Who knows, maybe they will give out AMD products like they are their OSes:roll:
 

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In a bid to revive its chip design operations, Microsoft Corp. may acquire Advanced Micro Devices, according to a source familiar with the matter. The software giant approached AMD several months ago, the source indicated. The result of the talks is unclear.
In other news, someone overhears someone say something probably taken out of context. This doesn't feel very real if kitguru isn't going to disclose a the source beyond "someone familiar," not even a Microsoft or AMD employee. So I suspect it's just FUD. X86 isn't exactly a transferable license either.
 
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"In a bid to revive its chip design operations, Microsoft Corp. may acquire Advanced Micro Devices, according to a source familiar with the matter. The software giant approached AMD several months ago, the source indicated. The result of the talks is unclear."

http://www.kitguru.net/components/a...erested-to-buy-advanced-micro-devices-source/

Could you imagine AMD being owned by MS? What would be the repercussions for the industry if it happened?
Could be interesting, would be a change up on a lot of products like the Surface series, Xbox, Phones, and lots more just on the basics because of that. It could be good but the problem would be of course more than anything what they would change at AMD. They could end up changing the focus and dropping them from more markets which could be a bad thing for everyone...Or keep going and just shovel money into it while getting chips for themselves at a highly reduced cost.

Things like Surface Pro price would drop, Xbox would drop in price, etc so it would be an interesting move none the less.
 

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I don't know if the FTC would allow it. Microsoft already has its hands in a lot of pots.

Microsoft benefits:
-Lumia (maybe switched to x86), Surface, and Xbox
-Getting Microsoft devices away from ARM will likely save development costs in Windows
-Stabilizes x86 processor prices so they're affordable going forward (theoretically increases system sales)

Microsoft loses:
-There will be legal challenges not only before the acquisition but during and after from Sony, Intel, and potentially Nintendo
-Microsoft doesn't own process fabrications like Samsung and the acquisition doesn't solve AMD's primary problem
-Microsoft may have to infuse cash into Global Foundries in order for them to get caught up--it will cost billions on top of the acquisition of AMD; perhaps Microsoft would consider buying Global Foundries too restoring AMD to its former self

X86 isn't exactly a transferable license either.
I think if it ends up in court, any judge will look at the situation AMD is in compared to Intel and rule in favor of AMD for the sake of keeping competition in the market. Remember, AMD has x86-64 ownership which is the most relevant today. What court is going hand Intel a monopoly on a silver platter?
 
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I doubt it'll happen. MS has a warm relationship with Intel, I doubt they want to end up as competitors, especially since with Intel's advantage it'd take years for AMD to catch up even with MS's resources. Maybe it's possible that they'll buy AMD and then drop out of the x86 CPU market, and will make AMD just design SoCs for their own devices (Xboxes, Lumia phones, Surface devices).
 

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If true...I don't think this is good for anyone. Microsoft has shown their propensity for being anti-PC gaming, despite multiple protestations to the contrary. They also would rather everyone were on tablets and phones...I can see desktop CPU's and APU's being eliminated slowly but surely, other than what they would produce for consoles. This would be disastrous for everyone, because it would leave Intel without any effective competition in the desktop cpu market. Too much doom and gloom? No, I'm completely calm and reserved. In fact, I may even be giving MS too much credit, and it would likely end up even worse.

As to GPU's, who knows if that production would continue...I can't guess.
 

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Analysts estimate that Microsoft pays around $100 for every Xbox One system-on-chip to AMD. Life-to-date sales of Xbox One are around are around 12.6 million units, which means that Microsoft has already paid AMD around $1.26 billion for Xbox One chips. The acquisition of AMD could save it around a billion per year on Xbox One chips alone. It the company develops appropriate chips for smartphones and tablets, Microsoft’s savings could be even higher.
amd makes almost no profit on these chips, with r&d etc considered it's probably cheaper for microsoft to buy the final, working, tested, packaged chips.

look for "semi-custom" in AMD's financials. "Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom": revenue 2.3B, income 399M, if what is quoted above were true, AMD should have much higher profit in that business segment
 
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Sony would have to bring forward the PS5 pretty quickly, unless they were cool with paying their rival for their SoCs.

Potentially, but it depends on the contracts in place and there T&C's which are of course only known between the parties involved.

My point is: The conflicts of interest in the mean old world of big business are absolutely delicious.

I don't know if the FTC would allow it. Microsoft already has its hands in a lot of pots.

Microsoft benefits:
-Lumia (maybe switched to x86), Surface, and Xbox
-Getting Microsoft devices away from ARM will likely save development costs in Windows

Microsoft loses:
-There will be legal challenges not only before the acquisition but during and after from Sony, Intel, and potentially Nintendo
-Microsoft doesn't own process fabrications like Samsung and the acquisition doesn't solve AMD's primary problem
-Microsoft may have to infuse cash into Global Foundries in order for them to get caught up--it will cost billions on top of the acquisition of AMD; perhaps Microsoft would consider buying Global Foundries too restoring AMD to its former self


I think if it ends up in court, any judge will look at the situation AMD is in compared to Intel and rule in favor of AMD for the sake of keeping competition in the market. Remember, AMD has the x86-64 ownership which is the most relevant today. Seriously, what court is going hand Intel a monopoly on a silver platter?

Indeed, equally there was talk a few years back Microsoft has/had an acquisition deal in place for first dibs on Nvidia:

http://www.informationweek.com/appl...-acquisition-deal-with-nvidia/d/d-id/1098123?

It can't all be true, hell maybe none of it is.
 
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amd makes almost no profit on these chips, with r&d etc considered it's probably cheaper for microsoft to buy the final, working, tested, packaged chips.

look for "semi-custom" in AMD's financials. "Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom": revenue 2.3B, income 399M, if what is quoted above were true, AMD should have much higher profit in that business segment
I think MS could pay AMD $100 for each chip, but AMD also pays most of that to TSMC for manufacturing the SoCs, so AMD's profit margin for the console chips is low.
 
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X86 isn't exactly a transferable license either.
I completely forgot about that, you're right. It wouldn't get Microsoft anything, unless these days the "non-transferrable" clause could be gotten around.
I doubt it'll happen. MS has a warm relationship with Intel, I doubt they want to end up as competitors, especially since with Intel's advantage it'd take years for AMD to catch up even with MS's resources. Maybe it's possible that they'll buy AMD and then drop out of the x86 CPU market, and will make AMD just design SoCs for their own devices (Xboxes, Lumia phones, Surface devices).
MS and Intel haven't been in bed with each other for years, though. If they couldn't find a way to transfer the x86 license, then they would have to pull out of that market, unless they spun it off into a subsidiary company or something.
 

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I think MS could pay AMD $100 for each chip, but AMD also pays most of that to TSMC for manufacturing the SoCs, so AMD's profit margin for the console chips is low.
MS doesnt own any fab, so they'd have to pay someone too
 

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AMD is a sinking ship ...
 
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MS doesnt own any fab, so they'd have to pay someone too
Good point. Considering that and AMD's thin profit margins for the console chips, MS likely wouldn't save that much from the console chips if they bought AMD. Maybe they'd have to pay $80 to TSMC instead of $100 to AMD, but the difference wouldn't be very significant.

They'd need to spend billions on buying AMD, and then more billions on keeping them competitive. They could also get into legal battles with Intel and Sony, which'd cost them more. MS would certainly just lose in this deal.
 
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Indeed, equally there was talk a few years back Microsoft has/had an acquisition deal in place for first dibs on Nvidia:

http://www.informationweek.com/appl...-acquisition-deal-with-nvidia/d/d-id/1098123?

It can't all be true, hell maybe none of it is.
I think this talk of AMD is far more realistic than the talk of NVIDIA. AMD is on the brink of going under.


Microsoft has always been close to AMD and Intel. I think Intel would welcome the idea because it should keep the FTC off of Intel's back for monopoly reasons. Also, Intel knows that whomever buys AMD really has no shot at being a 1:1 competitor with Intel because Intel is the fab king. Intel would likely still sue Microsoft if only to straighten out the licensing agreements.

Sony may sue Microsoft but I suspect Sony's hands are tied because PlayStation 4 needs AMD chips and only AMD can produce them. As long as Microsoft doesn't sabotage Sony's chips in any way, Sony will have to "deal with it" until the PlayStation 5.
 
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I think Intel would welcome the idea because it should keep the FTC off of Intel's back for monopoly reasons.
That might actually be the argument that will nullify the non-transfer clause for the x86 license.
 

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Maybe they'd have to pay $80 to TSMC instead of $100 to AMD
How much would you charge if you were TSMC and you knew that the new owner needs you?
 

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How much would you charge if you were TSMC and you knew that the new owner needs you?
it works both ways hardware without software to run is equally as useless as software without hardware
Microsoft could stand to hurt TSMC At lot more then TSMC could hurt micosoft
there is stil GF to consider with Microsoft at the helm they might be interested in reforging a partnership
 

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I don't think anyone would consider buying AMD without first considering AMD's process problem. That's why I think any deal to buy AMD would likely include buying Global Foundries as well (unless it were someone like Samsung that already has competitive foundries).

I can't see anyone that buys AMD relying on TSMC. TSMC lately has not been reliable and TSMC can't hold a light to Intel's fabs.
 

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I don't think anyone would consider buying AMD without first considering AMD's process problem. That's why I think any deal to buy AMD would likely include buying Global Foundries as well.
I agree the combined might of Microsoft GF and Amd might even be enough to give Intel pause especially if they can manage a 22 or 14mm zen chip ...
either way this could be the best thing for AMD what they need is cash ... something they seem to have a hard time getting enough of lately
 
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