1. Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Microsoft not recommending their own Anti Virus

Discussion in 'General Software' started by MxPhenom 216, Oct 5, 2013.

  1. erixx

    erixx

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2010
    Messages:
    3,910 (1.75/day)
    Thanks Received:
    640
    madness is to not install it, lol, i will never understand people with their pants down, haha
     
  2. Kaynar

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2012
    Messages:
    718 (0.46/day)
    Thanks Received:
    207
    MSE is definitely the lightest free AV i have used. Sure, it doesn't protect you from clicking trash adverts on a website, it doesn't have integrated email protection and all the gimmicks, but when it comes to real viruses and threats which a user cannot avoid when using his brain, its as good as the other AVs.

    A friend of mine has always used paid Norton and Kaspersky every year in the last 10+ years and always has had problems with viruses cause he just opens pretty much anything he sees on the internet. On the other hand, I've stopped paying 10 years ago, I used MS defender and now MSE and never had an issue. Of course you can tell me "you never had an issue cause your antivirus didn't detect it". My simple answer is that I never had a problem with my PC becoming slow from trojans, having DDoS attacks on my modems or some serious virus issue, while my friend with his paid AVs has had to format several times because of serious viruses.
     
  3. HiSpeed

    HiSpeed

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2012
    Messages:
    167 (0.13/day)
    Thanks Received:
    12
    Location:
    Paris France
    It's the proper of insurance companies to ask to pay when there is a risk...
    The amount you have to pay is depending on your fear... :D
     
  4. CounterZeus

    CounterZeus

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2009
    Messages:
    306 (0.13/day)
    Thanks Received:
    84
    Location:
    Belgium
    No anti-virus is 100% safe. Been using MSE for a couple of years and never had any problem. It mostly comes down to common sense and some luck (infected network/external media) I think the last time I had a virus was on my old desktop which then still ran XP (and fixed with a custom Kaspersky tool). It was from an infected crack for testing a game (did buy it later on ;) )
     
  5. Ikaruga

    Ikaruga

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,212 (0.64/day)
    Thanks Received:
    461
    MSE is pretty much useless, since it takes resources from the computer but protects against nothing except the "things" Microsoft knows about (which is already too late).

    They had a very strong push some time ago when they probably reallocated all available resources they had for the MSE team, and it was actually getting very nice scores in antivirus test, but it was a very short time period.

    To be fair with Microsoft here, every single wannabe hacker kid is testing his "creation" on Windows and defaults against MSE first if he is after computer users (note: nowadays mobiles are finally became more popular targets than PCs), so this is a war MS could never win, (not even if they would have a good product), because they are in a crossfire and also vastly outnumbered by every means.
     
    Melvis and remixedcat say thanks.
  6. VulkanBros

    VulkanBros

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2005
    Messages:
    1,527 (0.37/day)
    Thanks Received:
    466
    Location:
    The Pico Mundo Grill
    I seem to remember something about Microsoft buying Giant Antispyware and Gecad Antivirus somewhere in the early 2000..... i think they are Microsoft Security Essentials today....
     
    10 Year Member at TPU
  7. rhino

    rhino

    Joined:
    May 21, 2010
    Messages:
    221 (0.10/day)
    Thanks Received:
    64
    I kinda got thrown out.
    FWIW: MSE+Spybot (Original version still updates).
    Just remembered: Adblock plus in the browser. Makes a huge difference.
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2013
  8. Steevo

    Steevo

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2005
    Messages:
    9,198 (2.40/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,738
    Every IT pro knows to use multiple layers to prevent infections and their spread, everything from OpenDNS that shows attempted connections or DNS lookup of known malware servers, a hardware firewall that has deep packet inspection and reassembly, blacklisting, end point AV and still using the software firewall, and last but not least informing users.


    I managed a few stores as one of my job duties in Colorado, and between all that I almost never had infections on anything unless it was traveling salesmen and their laptops, but even those I usually kept clean with more restrictive AV and system settings.


    I have tested many AV's and security suites, and can say most users are OK with keeping their system up to date, windows firewall, the built in NAT of their modem, and paying for a good AV, or using Comodo, Avast, MSE, or AVG, and as well Malwarebytes.

    More dangerous users should have TDSSKiller, RogueKiller, Hijackthis, Malwarebytes, ComboFix and a paid subscription to a good AV, the new Norton is good from what I have seen as are the paid editions of most of what I already listed.
     
    remixedcat says thanks.
    10 Year Member at TPU 10 Million points folded for TPU
  9. remixedcat

    remixedcat

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    3,974 (1.82/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,221
    Also for a lightweight A/V I recommend webroot. 2MB RAM, 1MB install size, Runs in the cloud so no need for definition files that take up tons of space and slow your system down, Also since it does your system performance is not choked as much since the scanning is cloud based as well.
     
  10. DF is BUSY

    DF is BUSY

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2013
    Messages:
    277 (0.30/day)
    Thanks Received:
    54
    i'll stop using it when MS stops supporting it IMO


    i mean its not the worst possible entry level "protection" you can get, considering MS hasnt killed it yet
     
  11. Arjai

    Arjai

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    3,271 (2.20/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,920
    Location:
    St. Paul, MN
    A little over a year ago, I talked my brother into using Chrome and WOT, With WSE, MalWareBytes, Chrome and WOT?

    Virus free.

    He is a complete noob, non computer age Vietnam Vet. I got him using a few simple tools, and blammo! No more trips to Fry's so they can scan his drive.

    WOT, is priceless. Saved my butt, a few times also!
     
  12. remixedcat

    remixedcat

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    3,974 (1.82/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,221
    WoT had some drama a while ago and becuase of that it's not to be trusted.
     
  13. VulkanBros

    VulkanBros

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2005
    Messages:
    1,527 (0.37/day)
    Thanks Received:
    466
    Location:
    The Pico Mundo Grill
    +1
     
    remixedcat says thanks.
    10 Year Member at TPU
  14. Frick

    Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    Messages:
    12,686 (3.41/day)
    Thanks Received:
    3,795
    I think you're meaning to say "antivirus", because this is true for all of them, more or less.
     
    10 Year Member at TPU
  15. Ikaruga

    Ikaruga

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,212 (0.64/day)
    Thanks Received:
    461
  16. remixedcat

    remixedcat

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    3,974 (1.82/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,221
  17. TheMailMan78

    TheMailMan78 Big Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2007
    Messages:
    21,763 (6.69/day)
    Thanks Received:
    8,326
    There is so much misinformation in this thread it melts the mind.
     
    erixx says thanks.
  18. Frick

    Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    Messages:
    12,686 (3.41/day)
    Thanks Received:
    3,795
    Naah, Norman is a norwegian company that's been around since 1984. They do a bunch of things, don't know when they made their first AV though.
     
    10 Year Member at TPU
  19. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    44,562 (10.55/day)
    Thanks Received:
    11,713
    Location:
    Australalalalalaia.
    cloud based AV Are no good for those of us with limited internet, or a virus that fecks with your internet.
     
    10 Year Member at TPU
  20. Melvis

    Melvis

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2008
    Messages:
    3,666 (1.24/day)
    Thanks Received:
    548
    Location:
    Australia
    No surprise here ive been telling people this for yrs now. Now its even come from the horses mouth!!

    I guess its better then not running a AV at all? but why use a "ok" antivirus when there are better free ones out there? just doesn't make sense to me :confused: There free FFS. Even bitdeffender now has there own free anti virus and bit defender is dam good, so go use it!!
     
  21. remixedcat

    remixedcat

    Joined:
    May 13, 2010
    Messages:
    3,974 (1.82/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,221
    Webroot has a system in place where it amps up the protection by isolating stuff more and other stuff:




     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2013
    VulkanBros and Mussels say thanks.
  22. Altered

    Altered

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    921 (0.32/day)
    Thanks Received:
    132
    I know someone needs to quit searching porn and they wont have near the problems. :laugh:

    Ive used MSE on PCs for users with little experience with PCs and it has helped them. Make sure to set it up properly and a lot of the ID10T mistakes go away. Sure serious crap hits one in a while but I doubt any of the free AV will stop everything. Sometimes shit happens just hope your not in that less than 10% and make sure your stuff is backed up.

    And no I didnt stay in a Holiday Inn :D
     
  23. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    44,562 (10.55/day)
    Thanks Received:
    11,713
    Location:
    Australalalalalaia.
    ah i see, rather than upload the files its just uploading the hash and going from there.

    kaspersky has a similar thing, but also traditional known bad files and heuristics.
     
    VulkanBros and remixedcat say thanks.
    10 Year Member at TPU
  24. BazookaJoe

    BazookaJoe

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    874 (0.31/day)
    Thanks Received:
    242

    Madness?....


    THIS IS SPAAA aaaaoh forget it, that's been done to death.
     
  25. hellrazor

    hellrazor

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,651 (0.73/day)
    Thanks Received:
    339
    Huh, I didn't know there was a user that was actually called Rhino, I was talking about Easy Rhino.
     

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guest)