Microsoft to make Windows 10 updates mandatory

[TheMailMan78]

Only if the "Always Install the best driver from Windows Update" is on under Device Installation settings. Just disable it.

Screenshot?

 

[hat]

Start > All Apps > Windows System > This PC > Properties > Advanced system settings

Good to know, indeed.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Start > All Apps > Windows System > This PC > Properties > Advanced system settings

Good to know, indeed.

And now this thread should be put to rest and its agitators need to look before they leap.

 

[R-T-B]

Only if the "Always Install the best driver from Windows Update" is on under Device Installation settings. Just disable it.

And now this thread should be put to rest and its agitators need to look before they leap.

That'd be wonderful if that setting worked. It's a hangeron from Windows 8.1 that does nothing.

 

[hat]

Apparently, it worked for Pill Monster??

 

[R-T-B]

Apparently, it worked for Pill Monster??

I doubt he's ever had it set to anything else besides automatic.. It doesn't work. Unless they fixed it in the last week.

See people complaining about this here:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...r/bff07224-4ce2-4b42-ab29-68c3a305d730?auth=1

 

[hat]

Well, hopefully they get WU back to an acceptable state soon. What was wrong with it before? It worked fine in 7 and 8.1, even with automatic updates enabled. I'd like to see it go back more like the way it was... not that there isn't any room for improvement. The new WU is better, in some ways. We were always able to get drivers from WU before, but everyone everywhere recommended against it. And we didn't have to install them. Now it's forced, and the automatic updating and restarting seems way more aggressive. That needs scaled back. However, I don't mind the idea of sharing updates with other W10 PCs on my local network. Screw sharing it with the entire internet. I don't need WU constantly overloading my connection by acting like a runaway bittorrent client, with the added possibility of being infected with malware that way.

 

[Pill Monster]

That'd be wonderful if that setting worked. It's a hangeron from Windows 8.1 that does nothing.

I doubt he's ever had it set to anything else besides automatic.. It doesn't work. Unless they fixed it in the last week.

See people complaining about this here:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...r/bff07224-4ce2-4b42-ab29-68c3a305d730?auth=1

I think I'm about to add you to my ignore list.

 

[RichF]

1) move all user data to "the cloud"

2) move all user life info (connections, correspondence, thoughts) to "the cloud" via e-mail, cell phone conversations/environment monitoring, tapped computers/networking, and social networking online stuff like Facebook

3) have control over everything except the thoughts in a person's head, although those thoughts can now be profiled and anticipated

No control over anything except for those in power. This loss of control over update patches is just one step forward toward a future where there is no privacy and there is no personal agency. Carlin said we have owners rather than choices. That is becoming truer by the day.

It's also ironic that the same government that claims we should not expect a right to privacy is going after Hillary Clinton for potentially having "classified e-mails" on her private network. I thought everyone is saying e-mail is never private. Right? That is another example of the "do as we say not as we do" mentality where government has all the power (including privacy rights, in e-mail no less!) and citizens have none.

It's also amusing that video games (via DX) are the carrot on the stick. They have become the great pacifier for young people now that religion is outmoded. The provide the illusion of control, power, and agency while the actual agency in real life is being stripped away piece by piece. Eventually the only freedom and control we'll have will be inside computer simulations of life.

P.S. If MS wanted to bundle in spyware or something else unwanted surreptitiously, while still giving people an illusion of control, it could go back to the service pack model. Make an update bundle large and complex enough and it's easy to hide things inside. It's also easier to force-feed parts people don't want because they will need to update to the service pack in order to be compatible with things like games.

 

[hat]

Pill Monster, that's exactly the setting he's talking about. He's just saying it doesn't do anything. You disabled WU altogether though, why?

 

[R-T-B]

I think I'm about to add you to my ignore list.

As mentioned, it may work now. I haven't tried it in a while as I made a hack shortly after discovering it broken (as evidenced by my provided thread, it was very recently at the least)

I had your screenshot confused with the guy (I think hat?) who had it on automatic, apologies for accusing you of having that setting, I just couldn't come up with another explanation.

It's also a possibility that disabling the update service alters it's behavior, though that makes the least sense of my potential explanations...

I think I'm about to add you to my ignore list.

Unnecessary, and really, just do it if you're going to don't make it into a humiliation thing. Also, don't blame me if you miss my awesome deals.

EDIT: As an aside, it still does not work for me, I'm getting regular driver updates offered and have the setting in the same position as you as soon as I remove my registry tweak. Of course, you know how tweaks go, I may have broken something else...

Of course, I never disabled the WU service. I just used a GP settings to make it not auto check. Maybe this is different in how it treats it?

 

[rtwjunkie]

The thing is, we have Microsoft themselves saying full WU including wonky drivers cannot be turned off or you will lose your security updates after a bit, for being bad boys and girls. So, there's that.

In the meantime, wait for full release and see if they see the error of their ways. Maybe get a couple months in first of someone turning off automatic updates and see if MS follows through. Wait and see, so we can know if they meant what they said and if the behavior changes, if they did mean it.

 

[R-T-B]

The thing is, we have Microsoft themselves saying full WU including wonky drivers cannot be turned off or you will lose your security updates after a bit, for being bad boys and girls. So, there's that.

In the meantime, wait for full release and see if they see the error of their ways. Maybe get a couple months in first of someone turning off automatic updates and see if MS follows through. Wait and see, so we can know if they meant what they said and if the behavior changes, if they did mean it.

I'm not holding back a version personally. I already decided I'm just going Linux if they chose hardline on the "lose your updates" bit. Been meaning to for a while anyhow, most of my games now play in it and the only one I'd be losing is Tropico 4, which technically runs on WINE anyhow, and Elite Dangerous, which is probably going to get a port soon.

 

[hat]

Microsoft will listen... eventually. Maybe not now, but something will come of it. WU might get changed in whatever the next iteration of Windows is... 10.1?

 

[R-T-B]

Microsoft will listen... eventually. Maybe not now, but something will come of it. WU might get changed in whatever the next iteration of Windows is... 10.1?

According to Microsoft, iterations are done. Windows 10 is 10 and will be augmented forever. They said "The question of what version of windows you are using will cease to make sense"

This means Windows is now effectively a rolling release.

 

[Mussels]

forcibly disabling all windows updates is not the solution to the problem.

the problem is not being able to choose what updates install.

 

[R-T-B]

forcibly disabling all windows updates is not the solution to the problem.

the problem is not being able to choose what updates install.

Indeed... that's the majority of the problem.

 

[AsRock]

i still think people are jumping to conclusions and believe this will not be the case once it's actually hit release date.

 

[rtwjunkie]

i still think people are jumping to conclusions and believe this will not be the case once it's actually hit release date.

I hope you're right, but so far we have Microsoft saying this, and evidence so far with Nvidia drivers forcibly installing, and causing priblems.

 

[AsRock]

I hope you're right, but so far we have Microsoft saying this, and evidence so far with Nvidia drivers forcibly installing, and causing priblems.

As i understand it that's just for the preview, maybe another update for those with RTM after the 29th when the actually release date. So yeah they saying it as they want everyone get the driver updates as you know what people will do, use the preview and disable any driver updates which will not help MS to fix problems as people will just use another driver before complaining.

And if i am wrong o well i am sure they will change it if enough people bitch about it.

 

[Pill Monster]

As mentioned, it may work now. I haven't tried it in a while as I made a hack shortly after discovering it broken (as evidenced by my provided thread, it was very recently at the least)

I had your screenshot confused with the guy (I think hat?) who had it on automatic, apologies for accusing you of having that setting, I just couldn't come up with another explanation.

It's also a possibility that disabling the update service alters it's behavior, though that makes the least sense of my potential explanations...



Unnecessary, and really, just do it if you're going to don't make it into a humiliation thing. Also, don't blame me if you miss my awesome deals.

EDIT: As an aside, it still does not work for me, I'm getting regular driver updates offered and have the setting in the same position as you as soon as I remove my registry tweak. Of course, you know how tweaks go, I may have broken something else...

Of course, I never disabled the WU service. I just used a GP settings to make it not auto check. Maybe this is different in how it treats it?

What build are you using? And what version? I'm on RTM and afaik that forced update policy was for the preview.


Here's what MS says:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/3073930


There's also another service called Device Installation Setup service or something I can't remember exactly but maybe check it out as well.

 

[R-T-B]

What build are you using? And what version? I'm on RTM and afaik that forced update policy was for the preview.


Here's what MS says:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/3073930


There's also another service called Device Installation Setup service or something I can't remember exactly but maybe check it out as well.

You may have a service disabled or something that prevents it from working. I'm using RTM just like you. It was broken on the day 1 release of rtm with stock settings at the very least.

I don't disable any services, prefer using group policy keys and things that might remain remotely in the realm of microsoft support... probable that they won't care how you disable it as long as it's disabled, but I try lol.

i still think people are jumping to conclusions and believe this will not be the case once it's actually hit release date.

It's already hit RTM, which means it'll be preloaded that way on machines sold with it. I don't see them reversing course at this point.

 

[AsRock]

You may have a service disabled or something that prevents it from working. I'm using RTM just like you. It was broken on the day 1 release of rtm with stock settings at the very least.

I don't disable any services, prefer using group policy keys and things that might remain remotely in the realm of microsoft support... probable that they won't care how you disable it as long as it's disabled, but I try lol.



It's already hit RTM, which means it'll be preloaded that way on machines sold with it. I don't see them reversing course at this point.

Broken or disabled until MS's said date of release, i would not be surprised if they broke it until when people should have it.

Shit the price you pay to be 1st.

 

[R-T-B]

Broken or disabled until MS's said date of release, i would not be surprised if they broke it until when people should have it.

Shit the price you pay to be 1st.

I really doubt that they code timebombed anything, but I suppose it is technically possible...

 

[Mussels]

I really doubt that they code timebombed anything, but I suppose it is technically possible...

its POSSIBLE as a method to force people to get the first few updates/break the initial cracks/activators out there... but i don't see it likely. I think this was in fact their long term plan.