Discussion in 'Reviews' started by W1zzard, Feb 18, 2014.
To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_750_Ti_Gaming/
Sorry No! This is Nvidia gouging, plain and simple! (edit@1:45 pm; So W1zzard had some bad info on that price being $200. I'll temper what I said below if at $160, but overall still does move anything in BfB.)
How can this get a "9.0" when that's what the reference could muster. $200 for a 128-Bit card that can't even get close to AMD's $150 priced part? Efficiency or not, this is worse than the folks bitch'n about a $900 part! Nvidia is clearly extorting the markets bad fortune, and they are putting it to their customer… gamers. This isn't hardly crying the Blues over the "bleeding edge Enthusiast", this is directly sticking it to what is the "Entry level"! $200 for a die that is much smaller (50%) than the GK106, doesn't perform as good, provides less memory bandwidth (inadequate for most 1080p), middling OC (as no 6-pin).
This is not moving the ball forward, it's like some stubborn kid saying it's my ball and my rules… we need to say… Go Home!
Wow, +$50 than the reference card and +$45 than the excellent Palit card?
Go home MSI, you are drunk.
I would have to agree, how is this card worthy of a 9.0 when the Palit GTX 750 Ti performs better and has a $45 cheaper MSRP... I am unsure how you can recommend this card with is hefty price premium...
$200 ? nice trolling by msi here.
Luckily that beast has dual fans to cool the 61W monster ...
I'm so sick of NVidia and AMD going out of there way to make the sub $200 market a joke.......
AMD took a card that was selling for $140-160 for most of 2013 and decided to rebadge it at $50 price hike....... (wow thats genius).
Nvidia got rid of the 650ti boost/upped the price of the GTX 660 (non-ti) and now there trying to sell basically 7850 performance for $150-200.....
Ah, AMD took a the 1GB 7850 that sold more or less through 2013 for $140-160, while most 2Gb were normally $160 on up... Now they have that as the R7 265 only in 2Gb adding higher clocks in core/memory, all at a MSRP (yet to be seen) $150; or $100 lower than the 7850 2Gb at release a little less than two years ago. Not sure what you are talking about.
That said the entry-mainstream has moved from a $100-140 place to start being as gamer, to what now feels more like a $160-200 entry fee most often. Although, if whatever (mining) is driving AMD retail pricing wasn't in play, past history would indicate there'd normally be plenty of 270's for $160-170, and it wouldn't be unheard of finding the 265's at $140 with rebate. The problem is these Nvidia card didn't improve their game prowess, even while working from a more cost effective silicone, and low bandwidth while seemingly more expensive.
From March to the end of November, the 7870ghz was a $140-160 card (I check prices weekly and I am a member of multiple boards so I know exactly what im talking about).
I can even give you practical proof. I purchased a GTX 660 SC during the first week of April for $170 and I almost choose the 7870ghz since it was $10 cheaper (only reason I paid $10 more for the 660 was it had free games).
April-May it keep the same price of $160 and then they started to offer $10-20 rebates during the summer/early fall on top of that to clear stock for volcanic islands (hell the third party 7950 was selling for $190-220 during this period, that's how good prices where).
It dropped even more in November. The powercooler and Sapphire Dual X version where $135 after rebate for ALL of November ($155 if you didn't do the rebate). I know this because I was doing a build for a friend that month and I was price checking every single day. That was the card we where eyeballing but the Asus GTX 670 overclocked to stock 680 performance went on sale for $200 with $100 in games so we couldn't pass that up.
My quote stands ($140-160 for most of 2013 is now a $200-220 card).
You already know the reference MSRP of the 750 Ti. This is MSI's markup ($160 at the Egg in any case)
Garbage. The 2GB 7850 has been around $125-$130 until scrypt hashing pushed the price. There are PLENTY of snapshots of pricing and price trends available....here's one to start you off
I really wouldn't spend a great deal of time with this poster. His usual M.O. is to make up stuff as he goes along to push his anti-NV/ Pro-AMD cart around TPU. Today it is the 750...
In addition to the (misplaced) bagging of Nvidia for what is basically MSI's pricing decision, the 750 (non-Ti) review:
From the Palit 750 Ti review:
( Note: 90 seconds of searching found the EVGA 750 Ti SuperClocked at $150 and EVGA 750 Ti FTW $160, so obviously time to fact check isn't a consideration for Casecutter)
I live in the States and watch the deal sights consistently also, and while yes 7870's in Oct/Dec there were stong "clearance" in the channel givng us 7870’s at $130 but with big rebates and discount codes. The average price in 2013 most 7870’s "Deals working rebates" went like $190-210 -AR.
at last it use exactly the same TFIV cooler model as my R9 270 and cost ... more ... and perform like a R7 265
oh well at last the Ref 750Ti perform like the R7 265 oh wait no ... it perform between a R7 260X and a R7 265
i think im not the only one who think the price of the 750/750Ti is completely off ... ofc the power draw is awesome ... but that's almost the only advantage i see
Sure 4 Mo's back and not actually know but MSI is good for $30 rebates
But 4 hour earlier when I said that Newegg from a quick I made had non listed, glad your awake to play armchair quarterback now!
Still doesn't make sense after I tried to fix it.
Learn to make sense.
Eh no, $190-210 was not the average price.
How in the hell can you argue my point when I showed you every single gap ? ($160 was the base price for March-May when I was in the market, $140-150 after rebate on a $160 base price was the price during the summer when they where trying to clear stock, even the 7950 was getting to sub $200 and fall had the best prices of them all at base $150 and $130 after rebate).
I'm not seeing this $190-210.......... (Hell from June on the 7950/7870 XT Tahiti where sub $200).
All you did make a claim without backing any of it up ("dur I think the deals where inconsistent I think ?").
Prices have been all over the place depending on where you look over the past 120 days. I personally wouldn't doubt seeing the card anywhere from $150-$250 since last summer. (solely based on the graphs below.)
Even if the custom ones where 150... it'd still be crap compared to R7 265. Sorry but performance-wise AMD wins in this segment hands down (like in most others).
The power consumption however looks stellar tho, props to nVidia for that at least.
Edit: Nice to see you guys have time to sequentially review budget nVidia cards that don't concern most of the enthusiasts on this forum (but granted, do most other people around the world)... but we had to wait weeks for you guys to review ONE god damned custom R9 290/X, that most people around here where foaming at the mouth for... /sarcasm
That website/chart is very inaccurate. I looked up the Dual X version (one of the models that was price $160 and lower for most of 2013), selected 180 days and it showed that it NEVER got below $210 which is a joke (7870XT/7950 where under $210 for 3-4 months during that period yet its saying the 7870ghz somehow didn't ?).
You claim that the price of most all of 2013, most of those low prices kicked in 180 days back and these listing do account for a included rebates.
As to 7870's this site appears to have drop most as many went EoL by Oct.
While yes there's alway one or so good deals and maot often hinge on a huge rebate, that not the average or the mean.
Yes, slow fingers quick mind.
Sure, 4 months back that was the final price, although we don't actually know if there was a rebate... MSI is known for having $30 rebates to attain that low of price.
While 4 hours (it was actually more like 5hr’s) earlier when I said that, I did a quick search on Newegg and found none had been listed at that point.
Which ONE would that be? The Sapphire ONE or the Asus ONE ?
So you're accusing the site of deliberately not reviewing AMD cards ?
Might it not just be a case of reviewing whatever the AIB's send ? I personally haven't seen a site review more than three custom 290X's (unless you include sites like Computerbase which review the same card twice (1) (2)
And is it really any surprise that vendors are likely to throw lower priced cards at reviews? I don't remember seeing you complain when TPU reviewed four 270X's ( MSI, Asus, PowerColor, HIS ) which are essentially rebrands of existing cards, in a three week period....nice hypocrisy.
Are you sure that 200$ will actually be relevant? I'm already seeing it at 175$ on Amazon, so it might not be sold at much higher prices than other brands.
That retail price remains somehow strange. Here in Europe (or at least France), the MSI is one of the cheapest at 150€, Gigabyte goes for 155 to 160, and Asus 170!
I've already explained that the charts are flawed and not accurate (according to the charts the 7870XT Tahiti and 7950 where selling for cheaper than the 7870ghz for 3-4 months, that's NOT what happened and your foolish if you actually believe that AMD would have two faster cards for cheaper than the 7870ghz).
The 7870ghz/7850 dropped in price (in March of 2013) to $160 (7870ghz) and $130-145 (7850) to compete with the price dropped GTX 660 (which was $170) and the newly released 650 ti boost (which ran $150-160).
The listings aren't even close to right. The charts are basically saying "AMD had two faster cards for cheaper and they countered the gtx 660 by charging $40-60 more than the 660" (your a complete idiot if you believe that, especially since I have already told you the accurate prices with examples).
What you give us is from memory... base on that you remember "contemplating" some other deal you might have gone with, without any backup. One deal here or huge rebate there does not a trend make. Then when there at least some credible information you say it's flawed? You can trust your memory, but to downplay such resources exposes you as the charlatan you are.
No that's was from the Asus GTX750 Non-Ti...
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