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Discussion in 'Motherboards & Memory' started by Zebbo, Oct 28, 2005.

  1. n-ster

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    Not relevant to the discussion? now if the argument would be that 4GB sticks with high performance are not cheap, yes that would be correct, but most people who need a high amount of memory don't need speed
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    I want both High Speed and lots of Ram, that is why 24 gig of memory is out of my price range
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    Sean, I am looking at these sticks to pair with my upcoming Sandy Bridge system, do you know how they should perform on a P67/Z68 board, or do you have any recommendations on a better set. Thanks!
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    MushkinSean Mushkin Rep

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    That kit will work well on SB, but you would need to run them at DDR3-1866 or hope they will overclock to DDR3-2133 as SB does not have a memory multi for DDR3-2000.

    For a few $ more you can get the 996996 kit that is rated for DDR3-2133
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    I'm considering these memory modules

    I don't know how much I'm interested in OC'ing at this point, but is low voltage memory better, worse or neither for OC'ing?
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    The 996998 kit will work fine on most platforms. They will overclock some, but not as well as a Redline kit.
    What platform are you going to be using, SB, AM3?
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    The 996998 kit works well on SB, and because CPU overclocking is done by multiplier rather than BCLK on SB the memory does not play much of a role in CPU overclocking.

    The difference between those two kits is the heat spreaders.
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    Thanks for the link Dave ;)
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    Already deactivated :confused: it seems very common with Mushkin to tell you the truth... everytime I see a kit I want they are deactivated a month later sometimes earlier. Is there a reason for this? Makes it impossible to match kits as I was trying to do
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    Alright you fellas at Mushkin. When searching around for SSDs on Newegg I saw a new one by y'all, the Chronos. As opposed to some of the other vendors I feel safer buying a product with Mushkin written on it so I'm gonna take the plunge in a bit.

    ...Treat me right.
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    Hi, does mushkin overclock better than corsair?.
    Corsair from experience has gotten very bad ram the last years since alot of people cant even make them run at what they are rated.
    I use alot of Dominator GT ram.
    But example 993996 kit,
    will it be able to run at lower cl states but at default mhz with higher electric current maybe lets say 1.75V?.
    Does they overheat very easly?.
    I know about that some might run better at it and some won't but is the mushkin tested properly?.
    I am very sceptical but please explain.

    Answer...... check reviews, look here.....

    http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/mushkin_99707016gb_99407132gb_redline/3.htm
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    Wow, why would you unearth a thread from two years ago?

    What plattform are you planning to buy these for? Going 1.75V might not be safe for 24/7 and in most cases increasing memory voltage by that much just for a small gain in timings is not worth it from a performance perspective.

    To answer your question: If you get Samsung or Hynix chips on those 993996, they will be good overclockers and/or might also do somewhat tight latencies below their rated speed. However you won't get something like DDR3-2133 CL7-10-7-... out of them, even if you increase memory voltage beyond reasonable values. With some good Samsungs on them, aim for something like DDR3-2133 CL8-10-10-... :)
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    the difference is almost staggering... I went to a 16GB kit of Redline Ridgebacks 2133

    http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4490/mushkin_redline_pc3_17000_16gb_kit_review/index.html

    from a Corsair 16GB Vengeance kit 1866, running on a SB-E platform. The difference is night and day even using benchmarks AIDA and SiSoft at standard XMP profiles.

    most of the Mushkin stuff runs at 1T that should be enough to tell you right there.
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    sean still about or has he moved on?
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    Suggested settings for Mushkin Enhanced PC3200?

    I would kindly like to ask about suggested settings for best performance of these Mushkin Enhanced PC3200 sticks with Winbond BH-6 chips in them, IIRC. I currently running one stick (dunno where the others are, but I look them up) of this 512MB dimm into Sapphire PI-A9RX480 mobo (S939) at these settings - bold ones I did not understand well:

    Sapphire Grouper A9RX480 mobo settings, Opteron 148
    FSB bus frequency - 279Mhz
    HTT divider ratio - 800Mhz or 4x
    CPU FSB multiplier - 10
    PCIExpress frequency - 111

    To get the idea what settings are there, take a look:
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Radeon Xpress 200 Voltage - Default (1.22V)
    CPU Voltage - Default (1.40V)
    HTT Voltage - Default (1,22V)
    PCI-E 1.2 Voltage - Default (1,22V)
    PCI-E 1.8 Voltage - Default (1,80V)

    HT Link Configuration - Enabled
    Upstream LDT Bus Width - 16bit
    Downstream LDT Bus Width - 16bit
    LDT Bush Frequency - 800Mhz (4 x FSB)
    NB HT PLL Control - Manual
    PLL High Speed Mode - High Speed
    PLL Stability Calibration - 00 (00 - 1F)

    Memclock DRAM Frequency divider - 166 (that give about 231MHz for the rams)
    Refresh Period (Tref) - 200 - 7.8us

    1T/2T mem timing (Command Per Clock) - 1T
    Read Preamble Time - 5,5ns
    Async Latency value - 7ns

    R/W Queue Bypass Count - 16x
    Dynamic Iddle Counter - Disabled
    IdleCycle Limit - 256 cycles
    Bypass Max - 7
    Memory DQ Drive Strength - Not Reduced
    ODD divisor correct - Disabled
    DRAM Drive Strength - Normal Drive
    DQS Hysteresis - Disabled
    Burst20pt - Disabled
    Digital Locked Loop (DLL) - Enabled
    Disable Jitter - Disabled
    DDR Memory Drive Strength - Nominal
    Dual DIMM - Auto
    DLL Speed Override - Enabled
    DLL Speed - High Speed

    32 Byte Granularity - Disabled

    currently running at 200MHz Mushkin Ehnanced PC3200 settings:
    TCL - 2
    TRAS - 6
    TRCD - 2
    TRP - 2
    TRRD - 2
    TRC - 8
    TRFC - 24
    TRWT - 2
    TWTR - 2

    TWR - 2
    2,72V

    What I aim at is this:
    1) I would like to know how best set the timings (mainly the ones in bold)
    2) I would like to know, what settings to relax fist, when I hit a wall with pushing clock up (IIRC at 216MHz first problems arise with the 2-2-2-6 settings)


    PS. TWTR set to 1 - no chance in speed, so, useless :)
    TRWT set to 1 - and from 1610 we get to 1635MB/s :) Not bad, not bad :)
    TRFC - when set to 9 the ram did not made it and the mobo is just desperately beeping. Settings 16, 14 and 12 works, but absolutely no increase (and no decrease either) in speed. 11 is tested right now in Prime95 and looks like it is holding well...

    According to the french tweakers ( http://www.tweakers.fr/timings.html ) it should be:
    optimal TRAS = TCL + TRCD + 2 ( in this case then 6 )
    optimal TRC = TRAS + TRP ( in this case then 8 )
    ...and the TREF the bigger the better. That make sense, because the faster the ram need to be refreshed, the less time remain for CPU to access it... But it is the TREF setting named in this mobo as TRFC...?

    Also I'm very interesed about te Memory DQ Drive Strength setting - they write in this overclock quite:
    http://digilander.libero.it/ing.tripodina/Overclocking_Guide_CrossFire_Xpress3200.pdf
    ...that setting Not reduced if good for CPUs with CG and D revision/stepping. On the other hand, for CPUs with revision/stepping E should be the drive strenght lowered to reach maximum overclock. For example with Samsung TCCD 512MB ram and revision/stepping E is necessary to lower the Memory DQ Drive Strength to 50%.

    So the million dollar question is, what revision/stepping my Opteron 148 have:
    http://ax2.old-cans.com/grouper/Opty148_2.htm
    ...to me this looks like as revision E, so the lowering of the DQ Drive Strenght should be in order...?


    PS2. Trying first little steps by overclocking it and I hit wall right away... 210MHz did not boot to Win, 209 will, but never finish even SuperPi 1M test, so... bad bad overclocking. I must do something very wrong...
  18. trodas

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    After following a Mushkin advice from their support forum to set loose timings first, I get nasty surprise. Loosening the timings to 3-3-3-8 TRC 13 and TRFC 18 cause bios lockup and mobo beeping desperately. I quess that, like VIA, the CAS 3 is probably no-go on the RX480 chipset :(

    So, this settings works fine:
    [​IMG]

    There is Everest report about the rams:
    [​IMG]

    ...and I tried the relaxed settings into the AMD64Tweaker (getting tired of setting the bios and bricking the mobo):

    Set 3-3-3-8 TRC 14 and TRFC 18 - immediate lockup, total freeze.
    Set just TCL to 3 - immediate lockup, total freeze.
    ...
    So I tried TCL 2.5 setting (just this) - and it seems to work, worked for half of sec, till I tried to move my cursor to set the another settings to 3... to get relaxed timings.

    The mainboard seems refuse to accept anything bellow TCL 2 at this point. But with TCCD rams I used it at 2,5-3-3-7 TRC 16 and TRFC 18! That is nuts. No drive strenght (Memory DQ Drive Strength, DRAM Drive Strength and DDR Memory Drive Strength) changed from default.

    Beats me.

    Could be that the NB HTT PLL Control set to High speed and also the PLL High Speed Mode set to High Speed predetermine that nothing under TCL 2 is acceptable? Nop... it freezed when I disable both of these settings as well :(

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