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My 8yr old says "Everyone has GTA"

Discussion in 'General Nonsense' started by DaMulta, Oct 26, 2010.

  1. IceCreamBarr New Member

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    Interesting, have you begun your killing rampage because the Gov't says your child can't smoke, drink or buy pornography. Or, have you been shooting up some cops because they pulled your 8 year old over for driving without a license? Think outside the box MailMan, there are further reaching ramifications than just allowing or disallowing a form of entertainment. The Gov't plays an integral role when deciding collectively who their "people" shall be. If the Gov't allows unlimited use of foul language in movies, don't be surprised if in one generation that Country is filled with foul mouthed people.
     
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    The government is determined by its people. Not the other way around. As far as I am concerned any censorship of any kind is against my Constitution. As a parent I am the one who stops my kids from looking at porn and the such. That MY job. Not some jackass 1,000 miles away who doesn't even live in my state.

    And no I just ignore monarch like edicts our "government/masters" pass and do what I feel is right. Its why I fly a 13 colony flag and not a modern flag.

    [​IMG]
     
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    ROFL than why the hell do your 50 states of America than actually form a nation. I suggest to abolish the federation, cause that's what the people want. ;)
     
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    You apparently do not understand the ideals this nation was founded on.
     
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    The wink smiley was to show I wasn't serious. So please don't take it seriously.

    Americans and European humour don't seem to go together....
     
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    If there is anything I've learnt from the Americans I've met in Australia, its that most of them are patriots and they react about as well to criticism (about the country) as Catholics do when you tell them Darwin was right and god doesn't exist.

    Pro-Tip: avoid the subject.

    if its any consolations. Australia doesn't get it either. There aren't many patriots here. We hate our government.
     
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    So do us, i.e. the Dutch. :D

    Okay, will do that. Sorry folks if I caused trouble.
     
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    'fuck the brits, we can do it better' ?
     
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    come and you might know the true hate for the government :D

    there are 2 yrs old that smoke 1 pack cigarettes/day here, his parent seem to be proud of it and my government just busy with them self..we cant hope they thinking about game effect on kids.

    actually what people belief about game effect is also affected by their country culture and their country condition, you cant expect what is good for most American will also good for most Australian or Asian.

    and for old gamer like me, i am worried about my child..based from personal experience, the 4 5.2" floppy disk leisure suit larry and some Japanese RPG (the one that require you to choose word properly to finally have sex) i bought with my allowance back then add a little extra effort to keep my testosterone level check and make it little harder trying to hold the urge when i m teenager. :D

    so from my personal point of view the games indeed have (behavioral) effect on child, whether good or bad its parent responsibility to decide..and that's one hell of difficult responsibility (since i still love playing games and still enjoy beautifully rendered sex scene from dragon age origins).
     
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    Would you be referring to the European (predominantly French) enlightenment ideals of the day?
     
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    No no no. I cannot stand where our government is going. Most real Americans IMO cannot stand BIG government anyway. To sum it up we hate our current style of government but love our nation. The problem is our current "leaders" for the past 20 years or so be it republican or democrat seem to think they "know whats good" for the people better then they do. Thats not what our nation was built on. Its funny as my father says he hasn't seen this much hate for the government since Vietnam.

    No trouble man. I was just setting the record straight. Just to be clear you are a Patriot if you love your nation and culture. You don't have to love your government. Some Germans during WW2 were great examples of that. They fought against the Nazis because of their love of nation.

    Then you have the other extreme as some fought in the war not because they believed in what the Nazis were doing but because they thought at the time it was the right thing to do. Its a very dangerous slope. To much love can blind you to government. Get what I'm saying? :toast:

    No fuck taxes and rule by people who don't live near me. :laugh:
     
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    Hit the nail square on the head.
     
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    Saddly, most parents would not agree with you. They would rather spend their time bitching at the government for allowing such horrible things to even exist than spending that time making sure their children don't experience them.
     
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    +1 I've always seen it as; there's parents who don't trust their children or the internet enough to let them go surfing on their own, and then they blame someone (govt,etc) for being forced to watch their child 24/7.
    And there's parents who believe in empowerment. I'd let my son surt the net on his own and buy GTA when he's 10 years old if all his mates were playing it. As long as it's on the PC :laugh: if he asks for a console he will feel my wrath!
     
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    Agreed Ice, I live in Ontario and any of the parents I know police what their children are doing on the net and/or what console games are being played. The Country does play a part, but the onus is always on the parents in the end to decide what is acceptable for their children to play/be doing on the net and or console.
     
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    UK needs a 4th option. #2 is closest, but there's no "informing the parent", the ESRB slaps their logo and rating on and the shop-keeper asks for I.D. and doesn't sell it to them if they're under-age.
    My opinion on part 2 I will keep to myself.
     
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    I have an idea. How about people take responsibility for thier.......(gasp) own actions? I mean really do you guys trust bureaucrats to make decisions in your favor or to empower themselves more? I mean they can't even balance their own checkbook and yet we have them deem whats right and wrong for us to see and do?

    Think about it this way. If you ran your household like the government how long before you think you would be in the street? Spending money with the only guarantee that your child will be a slave to pay it back? Borrowing money from loan sharks (crooked nations) to bail out endeavors that failed decades before? Think about that. Do you want those kinda jackasses making "moral decisions" for your family?
     
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    Sounds like you think you can do a much better job than them. I think you should become a candidate just like this guy [youtybe.com] :D
     
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    See thats the problem. I don't think I can do a better job. But I can do a better job raising my children then the government. However they will of course disagree.
     
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    I think you miss the big picture: the Gov't tells the people what to do because the Country is filled with people who would make the "wrong choices" (from an empirical point of view, I don't believe there are wrong choices... all choices are right given your set of "tools"). 33% of American children fall in the category of obese - argument: parents make bad health choices for their children 1/3rd of the time, and it's not a hard stretch of the imagination that this statistic can be applied to many other parenting pitfalls. And, I would argue that most parents would claim to be great parents, even though 1/3 could be seen to be otherwise (not necessarily bad parents but not great either... somewhere in the grey area). The Gov't saves people from their own lack of honesty with themselves - people hate to be wrong and don't have the skill of introspection to see where their own faults lie (MailMan, this is not directed at you, I'm generalizing).

    Here is another example where parents completely miss the boat: what percent of parents think their children are above average intelligence (not necessarily genius, but even the most slightly above average)? Most parents would argue their child is smarter than the rest but 50% of children are actually dumber than the rest - that's how you come to an average... 50% below, 50% above (assume that no child falls directly in the middle, which certainly some do).

    People are inherently bad decision makers (especially when time is short); countless studies have proven this (visit www.ted.com for lectures on this subject). The Gov't has the time to sit down and look at any situation from many angles, to account for all variances in population, trends, economic factors, and even the direction of the Gov't itself. The Government's policy's are never all favourable but they do a good job of capturing the majority. Imagine an America with no Gov't: you would have old ladies driving at a snails pace on the road while teenagers drive 200km/h. Robbery would be rampant, incidence of rape/murder would increase, literacy would plummet, etc.

    It is very easy to put forth the argument that Gov't shouldn't be making decisions that impact family or the individual but that argument would be made without acknowledging all of the good that comes from a central Gov't. In the 21st C, we get to enjoy some of the highest freedoms ever seen in history, the highest lifestyles in the modern world and lowest incidence of violent crime ever seen (historically). If you want to nitpick and have your way with everything, selfishly, without thinking of the collective, be prepared for all 300,000,000 American's to think the same way and completely ruin the life that you love; only a unifying set of rules allows the life we live. Without a doubt, these rules WILL impinge on some of your freedoms or your ability to rule your life without outside interfering - it's for the overall best.

    So before you go and call those people 1000 miles away jackasses, think of the century's your country has been employing these "jackasses" who have transformed your Country into what it is today. No Country is without it's faults but instead of counting faults, count blessings and you will find you have a lot to count.
     
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    Spoken like a true socialist. Centralized government is what is causing the unraveling of things today. Look around you. I see labor unions marching in the streets of Europe. People protesting unfair VAT. Bailouts of fellow "Union" nations who do not deserve it. American liberal or Conservative HATE the government and have damn near zero trust in them. We are following Europe like a little puppy. Why? Because of the centralization of government making judgments on people they have lost all touch with. Local non-centralized government by its own local people is the only way to be prosperous. Healthy competition between communities. That is what lead us to the "peaceful era" we are in. The new centralization of the world is taking us backward now. Big U.S. government/European Union crap is destroying civilization as we know it. Whats good for the goose is not whats good for the gander. Soon you will be paying higher taxes for people who made bad decisions. Hell you already are. Big government is just tyranny who do nothing but what they can to stay in power and hold you down. You are a slave and don't even realize it man. WAKE UP!
     
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    rightio, stop with the politics now.
     
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    I smell a commie! :laugh::roll::laugh:
     
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    Sorry Mussels but this is something I simply HAVE to reply too.

    For example, Europeans fight in Afghanistan (partly) because the US government wanted/wants them too. So I think it is quite the reverse, especially the Dutch gov't before the current Dutch one sorta kissed Bush jr.'s a** without any sorts of critics. And yes, I know the US industries partly stand for sale (like the beer breweries being merged into AmBev or how's that company called) and partly are near bankrupt (like the car industry, for the second or third time within but a few decades), but personnaly I doubt that it is the Europeans' fault.

    Have you ever seen the poverty in cities like Detroit and New Orleans? You Americans should have an eye for the problems and dammage within your borders before starting to tell other nations what to do, and spending billions on wars without any perspective on decisive victory (once the troops have left the east the enemy will take everything again, just like what happened in Vietnam).

    And IceCreamBarr's position could possibly be the one of a (progressive) Democrat, not necessarily like a Labour Party member (FYI, a Labour Party (socialist party) is not the same as a communist party! Stalin etc. sorta abused the term "socialist" by using it for their propaganda to deceive the people).

    That ceretain Western European Countries have an increased amount of Labour Parties, professional associations etc. protesting and speaking up during political debates is because the economic and political situation the EU are in. While goverments increase the age required to retire, cut in expenses for things like governmental grants to students, support for unemployed people etc. to get through the financially hard times; and extreme-rightwinged folks like Geert Wilders (he was in the US recently, and I bet he's described on the English wikipedia) gain an increasing amount of influence on our society (and that is quite unhealthy for multicultural nations), certain people being part of the middleclass and working class start to sorta "fear" their future. By them, everything and everyone being on the right wing now are being regarded as "a bit badass" so they sorta "unite" under socialist (once again, that is not the same as communist) and democrat banners. Is that so hard to understand? Times are uncertain so folks are looking for governments "leading them through".

    To be clear, I am a "democrat" myself, believing in both some degree of freedom and DIY (including some decrease in governmental expenses because the Dutch gov't is "getting poor", as long as it doesn't hurt the economy/society too hard) but on the other hand the gov't should care about the people a bit as well(not too much of course, we don't want tyranny either ;) ). A bit a guy of the middle, you could say.

    Mussels, I promise that this is the last thing I write about this, but I had to point to a few things for TheMailman78.
     
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    No more off topic man. The mods have spoken. If you want to debate (which your argument has big flaws) please take it to GN. Ill be happy to respond there. Just PM me a link.
     

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