Discussion in 'ATITool' started by muaddib555, Jul 6, 2006.
No one told you to use a beta.
both of mine handel it perfectly fine are you overclocking it btw mine is a xt and a gt not a xtx it is logical to asume a xtx 650mhz core would crash sooner on the heat scale
Not really. xtx will probably produce more heat, but I don't think it will crash at a lower temp. So many people run these things at mid-90s that it really seems ok. He's probably OC'ing it as well, or there's a problem with it.
Several things to note here. The reason everyone came down hard on the guy is because of his attitude. When you have that kind of attitude in forums you can expect to be treated badly. Second, I think you may have had a bad card. I don't believe your card frying had anything to do with atitool. As far as the temperature, 90C will not kill the x1900xt. Ati doesn't even have the fan set to spin up to 100% until the temp reaches 100C. Lastly, if you are going to oc the x1900xt I would never use the zalman vf900. It just doesn't work well with the amount of heat this card puts out. I tried one and the temps were higher than the stock cooler. I have an accelero now and the load temps never go above 60C running at 702/783.
Why people want to push there cards for that extra 25-30 MHz i really don't know. DUDE! now you must buy a new card where u could have had 2x by now in crossfire mode. That little over clock you tried wouldn't even come close to a crossfire setup.
I did some over clocking myself on my brand new pc, but I signed up at around 14 Forum sites. Asking for people’s help and advice on what I wanted to do. I read and readed endless into the nights until 04h00 in the morning. Then with what I know and all my notes I started to do my OC but in very, very little steps AND STILL the help of some guys who walk me through everything.
You really need to apologies to this people. You are blaming them for your fault, because you want to MAKE THEM understand that the software was the problem. I am an amateur on over clocking, but I have a OC system at the moment that will amuse a pro(maybe, but it amuses me).
I joined this forum; because of this tread I picked up on the net. Just one thing dude. I hope you learned from this experience. Don’t go fiddle with stuff you know nothing about. You are going to burn your hands erm card erm hands. You need to drop your sorrows and listen to what poeple have to say. Or else you are going to have steam train all year around.
Sorry if my English sucks guys.
Intel Conroe E6600 (2.4) OC to 3.0 GHz Prime 95 Stable 24/7. – idle>20C, Load>35C
Asus P5W DH Deluxe - Kingston 1GB x2 DDR800 (running @ 667Mhz 1:1 FSB - 4-4-4-10)
X1900xtx stock idle>35C Load>45C - Thermal Take Shark Case (aluminium) - Viewsonic VX922 - Logitech G5 - Logitech G15 - Logitech Z680's - SoundBlaster X-Fi - 2x 250GB SATA2 3GB in Raid 0 with NQC.
Cooling: 2x120mm TT @ 1300RPM - Zalman CNPS9500 Cu Led @ 1380 RPM - Zalman VF900Cu Led @ 1410 RPM
Now I just saving on a descent Water Cooling to push this baby to 3.6 @ 1600 FSB 1:1 MEM
*Altough it can run that on air I don't want to shorten the life of my hardware.
I hope W1zzard ignore those disappointed posts.
He really do a god job.
And, about Zalman dual-heat pipe VF900CU vga cooler, yes, from its position in standing computer box, where the heat-pipe is actually lower than the base (contact with GPU), it is not a good design for heat-pipe thing. IMHO, it is better to use zalman VF700CU vga cooler.
Because my box is small form factor (they called it hotshoe box), where the VGA card is in standing position (and I open a hole on its side), I gain something from heat-pipe thing. One more thing, zalman VF900CU looks on my box.
Im going to try to rig an XP-90c to my X1900XT when I get it.. then I'm going to get a silver Dangerden Waterblock for it.
How do you think the XP-90c will work? I am crafty, I'm sure I can create a support for the extra 500g of weight from the cooler, that wont be a problem at all.
I think its stupid that its acceptable to run a gfx card so hot. I think its hazardous to some noobs.. lol..
but seriously, I think the companies dont plan on having you overclock, so anything over stock speeds is going to cause some damage at that temperature. I remember reading somewhere, for every 10c you gain or lose, you reduce your components life by either 6 months, or a year, i forgot what length of time.
But if you keep the same temp, and then OC, that will even more drastically reduce your components life..
I use ATi tool with my Sapphire X850XT and love it. I have had CCC and ATi tool running at the same time and saw that they did not seem to like that. Either or, but not both. Could this be the case here?
How the component (GPU or CPU) is classified for its speed? The manufacturer do test on it and rate the speed before its fail (after give some extra head on it, according to their standard). But, because of improved technology, sometimes they can't get lower speed on it. Every chip is good and can run faster. So, because they need to provided lower speed GPU or CPU, they just use the higher speed one. If we can find this GPU or CPU, we are on the luck...
the only thing i can think of is you have a bad card, 90+ is no probs for an x1900xtx, , over 100 is still within limits, these cards run hot, i have 1.57V on the core, never had a problem.
I use a dangerden tyee x1900 waterblock, covers gpu, ram and an extra block for voltage regulator, think one of the best blocks u can get for it, never get anywhere above 50-55C and the block cools my volt regs nicely, as for weight, i have a thin rod just to support the far end of the card, especially since i plastered the volt reg block with ramsinks,
P.S, a correctly cooled and overclocked card can far outlast a stock card
not strictly true, catalyst control comes with default overclock ability, and and the risk of permanantly damaging your card from overclocking is very very low, unless u bust it with daft voltages.
So again, i think there was already something wrong with his card, a bad component or something, and since its an xtx it should easily overclock.
I gained +120Mhz on core and + 115Mhz on memory from overclocking, and the performance increase is great
if you keep the same temperature and overclock, the lifespan will be the same, life span correlates to the operating temperature on the gpu etc, keep those the same and overclock, great for you, same life span faster card, with better cooling lower temperature + overclock = longer lasting, faster card
Is does NOT MATTER what card you have and how much it can be over clocked.
COOLING, COOLING, CLOOING. That is the 1st rule of thumb.
Case Cooling is very important. There must be circulation of enough air moving through your case.
Standard Cooling for CPU or GFX is not going to help. The Cooling’s (fans) where designed to run @ those speeds and that temp. OC it will boost the temp. Overrate it for that current fan's use.
StuyV I think every1 knows its all down to cooling, and the stock heatsink on an xtx is rated for those high temperatures, although the stock hs sucks big time, it could so easily be much better, (and quieter)
You can get decent overclocks on the stockhs, but as i gather most peeps are aware if ur serious about overclocking new cooling is a must, and that tiny heatsink on those volt regs, haha, thats just pathetic, i reckon they could have easily made the fins on that much longer.
the only + side for the stock heatsink is that it blew the hot air out of the case
I mean nvidia use heatpipes on their coolers and they work great, im sure we wouldnt frown at ati for stealin that idea
I agree with you there. Ati Cooling is bad. That’s why I went for the Zalman. I don't want to hear a plane every time I startup my pc. Nvidia has done quite well with there cooler. I just want to know what did they (Ati) think of when they decided to use that small plastic fan???
The other thing that allso tickels me is that the rather use a massave Aluminium Layer (looks like metal to me) then the copper on top. Should that not be the other way around ? Or just make the hole thing copper with heatpiping.
yeah, I mean i took apart an old x800 heatsink and that was all pure copper, tho i have to say, heatsink? more like copper foil folded usin origami!
The 1900 block has what looks like copper tubing at the base of the heatsink ontop of pretty pathetic aluminium metal like stuff, the x800 is just a folted sheet of copper, on a wafer thin copper base
Think im gonna take off the 1900 copper fins and use them to make a cooler for summit else,
--> and the actual size of the heatsink is reasonably small! tho i have to say it looks quite nice, all shiny and so, if only they lapped the gpu interface till it was like that
Edit: just opened an old HIS x800 iceQ II heatsink and its reverse to the x1900, copper base, aluminium fins, will they never learn..
Next they will abandon metal all together and go for an all "wood" approach hehe
aluminium heats more slowly, but it dissipates heat faster copper heats up fast, but dissipates more slowly, i think both should be used in cooler design, like the heatpipes in copper and the fins in aluminium (like most towers coolers do)
ATI cooling is made to handle the temps at stock speeds, not overcloks
I think the problem is that the ZF900 does not cool the ram. So when his core hit 90c . . . imagine how the ram felt?
You destroyed ur card in ATI tool because you were overclocking the 2D Clocks I believe... Did you change the voltage to 1.45 etc??
was it at 499 599 at the start?
Just a thought, but what size and Brand of power supply are you using on this machine. I just got my x1900xt last week and when installing it I had the exact problems with it. Had video corruption and everything...My powersupply was a 480W Thermaltake Butterfly and I ended up having to use ATI Tool to disable ATI's 2D/3D clocking utility and run it stock 2D speeds and clock my A64 X2 back to stock 2ghz (was running 1.5v @ 2.4Ghz). Just finished putting in a Thermaltake Toughpower 700W w/Cable Management (AWESOME POWERSUPPLY!!!) and it now looks like I can run my A64 X2 at 2.5Ghz @ 1.525 VCore. Now I just have to find the option in ATI Tool to re-enable ATI's clocking utility...
Didnt read all through the thread but I noticed my 5200's oc'd temps were like 45... raised/put tower fan closer to video card. Much more airflow now, not at 40...
And yes the guy that fried his 1900xt or whatever... he's bitching cause he just fried a video card with atitool... I'd be raiding hell and would be banned in a minute if it was me...
Well yes, and/or the vregs. OTOH, as long as some air is blowing over them (vregs and ram), they tend to be ok w/o HS on this card.....
ATi tool didnt kill anything. You killed it by being a fool and not heeding warnings, knowing what you are doing, using a beta program, and just being an idiot.
However, RMA'ing a video card you overclocked and killed because it was your own fault is illegal and is highly frowned upon here, as it is in MOST places.
Anyways, this thread is really frickin long.. its time to let it go...
Odd. 'Cause I went up to 1.49 or something on my XT and used it there for more than a month with no problems.
Everyone says these cards are all the same.
Anyone knows if the cards are bought, or if the companies just assemble themselfe after reference?
Because i can say that my Asus 1900xt was crap too, after 1 week WITHOUT overclock it had texture artifacts when memory was above 400mhz (i found that because at that moment i installed atitool and the card worked only in 2dmode or with 400mhz memory in 3dmode)
So -> asus might be a big nono when it comes to ATI cards
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