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How about taking the advice here as far as parts go, and have someone you trust build it for you? the system you linked is a serious , i repeat serious downgrade from all possible builds proposed here, the 780g setup one is actually decent enough to run most games even if its at low settings.

No offense but it looks like you already made up your mind but just have fun trolling the people who honestly feel for you and want to help for your own good.
 
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U2K for heaven and Hells sake please don't buy a slimline pc that can only use low profile cards, and has sh*t ventilation, I mean for buy something else or make it yourself and get more performance for your money, I have seen even 10 year olds on this site make pc's, why don't you want to do it.

There was a nine year old that built a pc here. I was talking to him for a while. That kid was not average by any means though. A genius most likely.

Buy Xazax's PC he has for sale. Its a beast but the video card is average. He is selling it for literally $350 shipped!
 
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just buy something... whatever it is... make sure ITS NOT a mass manufactured PC!
 

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There was a nine year old that built a pc here. I was talking to him for a while. That kid was not average by any means though. A genius most likely.

Buy Xazax's PC he has for sale. Its a beast but the video card is average. He is selling it for literally $350 shipped!

+1 to that
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=88930
Telling you, these pre-built machines are junk. They have horrible low efficiency power supplies and low end motherboards with low end components.
 
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+1 to that
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=88930
Telling you, these pre-built machines are junk. They have horrible low efficiency power supplies and low end motherboards with low end components.

He lowered the price to $325!

Much better than any prebuilt anywhere under $800.

But no matter what, good luck on getting a better PC.

Checking around dumpsters behind office buildings you will find better PC's than your Pentium 3. I am just telling you the truth. I am not making fun of it because I grew up using a commodore64.
 
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I work on computers every day. I fix roughly 20-50 per week easy.

What ones break most? Custom or retail?

RETAIL.

Please don't buy a retail rig, build a custom or have someone custom build one for you.

I don't get why you ask us for advice, post sob stories of your rig getting fried (it is a bummer tho), then being like "well you guys, I hear you, but nahhh, I'm gonna buy a prebuilt just cause."

Like I feel for you on it takes time and you don't want to mess it up but you will be happier in the end. I guarantee it.
 
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marketshare shows that intel integrated graphics accelerators dominate about 70% of the market. Most OEM pc's ship with only integrated graphics processers that includes laptops and nettops.
Thats all good and well, if you aren't serious about gaming or you are new to pc's.

You don't have time to order parts?
Well i just don't feel like doing it, thats all. I rather stick to buying prebuilts, new ones anyway.

I feel your pain. Now buy something that makes sense, and preferably does not have "Celeron" in the CPU name .
There is nothing wrong with Celeron's. The one i had played games perfectly. Speed was perfect, could watch HD videos without problems, etc. Celerons are fast, and are good, who cares if its old, it gets the job done.

Also make sure to get a normal sized case and make sure the motherboard has a PCI-E x16 slot, so that normal PCI-E video cards fit inside for when you get one. Low Profile cards cost extra.
Getting a low profile only desktop is just fine, all you have to do is remove a few things and you can put any card in the desktop. With that celeron i had, it only allowed Low profiles cards, so i remove the blue piece , and i could use any card in it.

But i will take your advice and try to find a rig that is the normal size, so i won't have to worry about removing anything. As for PCIE, i am not into it right now. One thing i did learn when using that Celeron at 3.0GHZ, is that using PCI cards is not a problem and they do not bottleneck your computer. Igain about a 50% performance boost in games using the 2400HD and 8400gs on that computer. So for people who says PCI cards are slow, thats a lie. In this one game, called alpha prime, on my P3 i get around 10-20fps at medium to high settings at 1280x1024, on that celeron on 1280x1024 high settings, i get 40-75fps.
There is nothing wrong with PCI cards. Another game, called Shade wrath on my p3, 20-30, on the celeron 80-200fps. So it really depends on your setup and its really about someone's personal views.

U2K for heaven and Hells sake please don't buy a slimline pc that can only use low profile cards, and has sh*t ventilation, I mean for buy something else or make it yourself and get more performance for your money, I have seen even 10 year olds on this site make pc's, why don't you want to do it.

That acer is on hold, i am going out looking around tomorrow, and i will buy " something " in the next few days. I may end up getting something else who knows. All i know i am going to buy something soon, because i have my P3 with XP pro, hook up, which i am using now, everything is running good, but man, this rig is slow as nails compared to that celeron :(

And dude, all because everyone in the world is building pc's, doesn't mean i have to do it. They make prebuilt pc's, well i am going to support them and buy it. Whats the big deal?

just curious.... why don't you use AMD?
I have been using Intel since 2000, don't have any plans to change over to AMD.
 
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Checking around dumpsters behind office buildings you will find better PC's than your Pentium 3. I am just telling you the truth. I am not making fun of it because I grew up using a commodore64.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHA
 

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I have been using Intel since 2000, don't have any plans to change over to AMD.

using some of your own logic, Just because you have alwase used intel, dosnt mean you have to keep using intel.

as to prebuilt systems, gateway/acer are "ok" not as good as one built from off the shelf parts tho.

If your are dead set on getting a prebuilt for 325bucks, you might as welll just find a cheap netbook, at least then you wont look so STUPID for buying a low end CRAPPY prebuilt desktop.
and the advantege of a netbook is u can take it everywhere with u, oh and it sticks with your vaunted intel cpu's.

myself, i would find a cheap 760 or 780 board,Cheap Dual core, cheap 2-4gb ram kit and cheap hdd/optical drive and toss it in a cheap case, probbly grab a decent psu from epower or fortron as well.

in the end i could show you a cheap system that would run circles around anything you have owned, but it wouldnt be intel, because in my eyes the cheapist intel stuff is worse then the amd stuff in the same price brackets, with amd you get better onboard video, and have a FAR larger slection of decent cheap boards.

well good luck......dont normaly agree with people raggin on somebody, but in this case, limmiting urself to intel and prebuilt is really rippin urself off.
 
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I don't have time ordering parts and building something, when i can just drive to the store and buy a prebuilt rig that is great for gaming and whatever else. Yes a little more expensive, , but no problem

you right, there is nothing with buying a pre-built computer if you want to spend your $350 on a celeron D. But i would have to agree with everyone else on this forum that building computers is super easy. but if you want to pay $350 for a celeron D i'll sell ya mine...:roll:

actully no i won't it will cost you a new motherboard because it has the ECShit motherborad form hell, which has claimed three hard drives before the SATA ports went out and now has a faulty 24 pin connector.
 
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Out of complete boredom I built you a new rig U2K, not that you'll go with it but it's just a suggestion.

2GB RAM $29.99
Mobo+CPU Combo $108.99
Power Supply $74.99
Video Card $99.99

Total is $313.96 without shipping.

And I guarantee you that it's better than any pre-built you can get for that amount of money.
 

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I dont understand how you have the balls to swap around a 8400gs and 2???HD, yet you wont build your own rig.

I thought there would be more chance of you fucking it up changing graphics cards about than there would be building one from scratch.
 

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I kinda knew that... what did I say wrong?

Yes. You were harping on about "old" hardware. On a budget of $350 you CAN'T get the latest and greatest hardware, but you sure as hell can get something significantly better than a prebuilt.

Anyway, those prebuilds are junk, absolute abominations of nature. In the two weeks its going to take you to pick that piece of shit up you could order the system I specified and easily find time to build it, it only takes about an hour to build a system if your not too fussy. These days theres absolutely no excuse for buying a prebuilt.
 
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There is nothing wrong with Celeron's. The one i had played games perfectly. Speed was perfect, could watch HD videos without problems, etc. Celerons are fast, and are good, who cares if its old, it gets the job done.

Anything can get a job done. But when you can get a better dual core CPU by building a rig by yourself, there is no reason to get a prebuilt Celery. I have a Celeron E1200 processor among my possessions, running at 3.15Ghz (1.6Ghz stock). Sure, it gets the job done, but if you can have a PC with an E5200 for the same price, why not ?

Getting a low profile only desktop is just fine, all you have to do is remove a few things and you can put any card in the desktop. With that celeron i had, it only allowed Low profiles cards, so i remove the blue piece , and i could use any card in it.

Eh, what ? If by blue piece you mean the VGA connector, and by removing it you mean switching to a low profile mounting bracket, I agree with you. But only the weakest of cards (And pardon me for saying that, your HD2400Pro and 8400GS count as those), or cards specifically made to be low profile (and cost more), come with this option. Good luck trying to fit the HD4870 in a low profile case - It won't fit unless you saw the poor thing in half.


But i will take your advice and try to find a rig that is the normal size, so i won't have to worry about removing anything. As for PCIE, i am not into it right now. One thing i did learn when using that Celeron at 3.0GHZ, is that using PCI cards is not a problem and they do not bottleneck your computer. I gain about a 50% performance boost in games using the 2400HD and 8400gs on that computer. So for people who says PCI cards are slow, thats a lie.

I don't appreciate being called a liar.

PCI cards are painfully slow and even the weakest cards are severely hampered by being stuck on the PCI bus. Hit the link in my sig, you'll see the effect of the HD4350, a weakling card by any measure, being placed onto a PCI-E x1 slot instead of a PCI-E x16 slot. The performance suffers, and yet, the PCI-E x1 slot offers about twice the bandwidth of a PCI slot. The PCI-E x1 slot is also dedicated for that card, and no other device, unlike PCI.

I don't mind you saying that your rig is fine for you, it is your right to enjoy your computing as you see fit, but it is very hard to actually dispute the fact that PCI video cards are slow.
 
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Well...

Take me for an example...i'm 12 years old and i'm building a custom rig.

No, seriously pal...cheer up! :D

Building isn't that had even I can do it! :eek:

I'm doing everything from scratch...i'm sure you can too.

Plz Reply
:toast:
 

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+1. Graphics cards on the PCI bus are pathetically slow, even the weakest. As has already been pointed out, on the PCI bus 133MB/s is its maximum bandwidth, that bandwidth has to be shared with any PCI device in the system. PCI-E is the way to go. Anybody deluded enough to say PCI graphics cards aren't slow are nothing short of insane.
 
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Yes. You were harping on about "old" hardware. On a budget of $350 you CAN'T get the latest and greatest hardware, but you sure as hell can get something significantly better than a prebuilt.

Oh.... but I was talking about him always wanting to keep old hardware in the past... and by buying pre-built again, now too xD Because with 350$ you get old shit from pre-built... or he'll just accept the celeron from that guy that's giving it free and he'll buy a celeron mobo or something... basically I'm agreeing with you xD
 

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i remember when i bought my first core 2 duo machine E6400+intel 965 +7600gt passive by msi+250gb+dvd righter+2gb 667mhz+keyboard=1800$
 
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Thats all good and well, if you aren't serious about gaming or you are new to pc's.

Using prebuilt computers, you are in no way serious about gaming.
 

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dang bad news dude. Just go to the egg and pick out the stuff you want. I wouldnt recommend a pre built
 
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