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My X58 upgrade ("Chernobyl" goes Haswell-E)

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With X58 parts at a high premium on ebay (anyone know why?), and a nice check for a few odd jobs sitting in reserve, I have decided to give Chernobyl, my gaming system a nice kick in the pants (CPU-side at least).

Chernobyl runs hot. Seriously, it's hard to use it on summer days. Hopefully this will get me that little more performance without increasing heat... and I won't regret this come summer. :)

I'll be documenting the process here, though the parts likely won't arrive until Wednesday next week (I'm a stickler on shipping).

The system is the same one in my profile. I have those exact parts but just sold my Xeon processor, and my 6x 4GB DDR3 ram. The Sabertooth is pending sale either to a forum member or ebay, it's gone either way. Typing this on my seldom used laptop (Core 2 duo, Radeon X1300, woo).

That left me with roughly $800 to spend on this "sidegrade" of sorts. My main goal was not to really improve performance massively but to future-proof by making the leap to Socket LGA2011-v3 and DDR4 as cheaply as possible. X58's chipset is also a massive PITA, it doesn't support proper anything modern, heck it's SATA3 and the SATA6 third party controllers are a joke from Marvell.

Back on topic, Here's what I ordered. Still time to cancel if any of this seems incredibly stupid, but I think it should be a nice sidegrade considering those $800 are purely from Chernobyls sold parts. (I mean seriously, why is X58 so high right now? If anyones on this platform they should sell it and sidegrade/upgrade to something more modern ASAP IMO).

First, links, then price:

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128752

Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148862

PROC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117402


NOTE: The rush processing was checked by accident, and has been cancelled already. Who rush processes ground shipments, anyhow?

tl;dr, here are my main questions for the moment. Build log will follow in future posts.


My main worries were/are as follows:

4x DIMM slots. Too few for an enthusiast platform? I'm thinking no because ram density is likely to increase with time and little uses even the 16GB I have crammed in there from the get go. I know I don't even touch Chernobyls old 24GBs, for example. But I am open to be proved wrong.

My CPU choice: Too few PCIE lanes? This is a single GPU build. It should have plenty of lanes really, amirite? I know the CPU only has 28 lanes but to my knowledge you'd really need AT LEAST 2 GPUs to even feel this. Also, on the topic of CPU, is delidding worth it on this model? I have a real nice, frickin' massive Phantek cooler coming (hence the standard sized ram).

And finally, Gigabyte mobo? I know they had quality issues way back when, but they are better now, no? It looks of decent quality.

Oh, and I chose that Gigabyte because there was a $25.00 off combo with the proc and I intend to use it to squeeze just a little more out here and upgrade with an MX100 512GB Crucial SSD I can get cheaply for $100 (my check is for $75.00, but I have some budget leeway too, so that's covered).

Will follow with a build log as promised, but in the meantime, this horribly scatterbrained post is meant for people to comment and make suggestions before I can't cancel the order Monday. So, have at! :)
 
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Can't wait to see some pictures.

The "Take apart" of Chernobyl (which will be kinda sad, really) will be posted tomorrow. There's a nice (documented in the ebay sale) gash on the Sabertooths backside that amazingly, did absolutely nothing. Pretty durable mobo true to it's name, lol. Will be a fun photo shoot.
 
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4x DIMM slots. Too few for an enthusiast platform? Unless you envision a need to upgrade to 32GB in the near future (in which case, why didn't you just buy 32GB now and be done with it?), then no.

My CPU choice: Too few PCIE lanes? Nope: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/pci_express_scaling_game_performance_analysis_review,17.html tl;dr PCIe 2.0 16x is quite enough for even the most demanding multi-GPU setups. Your board will run multiple graphics cards at PCIe 3.0 8x, which is the same as PCIe 2.0 16x.

And finally, Gigabyte mobo? Gigabyte's boards have been rock solid since Z77.
 
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Unless you envision a need to upgrade to 32GB in the near future (in which case, why didn't you just buy 32GB now and be done with it?), then no.

Yeah, only way I see myself needing that upgrade honestly is if games become 64-bit. Unlikely for some time IMO... DDR4 will be cheaper then too.

Thanks for the reassurance re-gigabyte too. I felt a little weird buying that budget board for an enthusiast platform, but it's still a step up from anything X58 chipset based IMO.

"Take apart" is beginning now. Will post pics this evening... Also I just realized that the CPU is a higher TDP than my old one, lol, so heat will be worse. But I'd be lying if I said I felt bad about upgrading like this virtually at cost (seriously, out of pocket expenses are under $50 so far).

I think I played my hand well.

So while we wait, one last question:

Socket LGA2011-v3 CPUs are heat spreader soldered, right? So delidding isn't really smart?

EDIT: UPDATE

Lost internet for a bit (THANKS COMCAST!), will update with build photos as soon as I get the post install-reinstall-shit done.
 
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Yeah, only way I see myself needing that upgrade honestly is if games become 64-bit. Unlikely for some time IMO... DDR4 will be cheaper then too.

Thanks for the reassurance re-gigabyte too. I felt a little weird buying that budget board for an enthusiast platform, but it's still a step up from anything X58 chipset based IMO.

"Take apart" is beginning now. Will post pics this evening... Also I just realized that the CPU is a higher TDP than my old one, lol, so heat will be worse. But I'd be lying if I said I felt bad about upgrading like this virtually at cost (seriously, out of pocket expenses are under $50 so far).

I think I played my hand well.

So while we wait, one last question:

Socket LGA2011-v3 CPUs are heat spreader soldered, right? So delidding isn't really smart?
They are soldered..I wouldn't bother.
I've been running one @ 4.4GHz and it doesn't get very hot..
..matter of fact I can run it right up to max air/water frequency and it still doesn't throttle.
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Maybe waiting for better RAM to be available?

Cheaper maybe:p
Just wish I had seen this earlier, I likely could have set the OP up pretty nicely with a kit. :(
 

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Hmmm similar platform for my recent upgrade....see System Specs

Cheaper maybe:p
Just wish I had seen this earlier, I likely could have set the OP up pretty nicely with a kit. :(
Wait, whut? But not me :p
 

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Benchmark Scores well I've fried a 775' P4 12 years ago, that counts?
Gigabyte's boards have been rock solid since Z77.
b*tch please, i have been using them since socket 775... never gotten a problem, current one: Z68 ... best one so far....


So while we wait, one last question:
Socket LGA2011-v3 CPUs are heat spreader soldered, right? So delidding isn't really smart?
There you have...


make your mind!

Note: im seriously thinking that intel would never get back to soldering... this crappy glue and cheap TIM on cpu die will be here till the end of time... :(

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I didn't just do one stick of ram, did 4. I have the pictures from this build but never posted them cause I am lame, about time to do so. Give me a day and I'll find 'em. :)
 
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Bump... Pix?
 
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Long story short, I scoured and scoured but I lost the sdcard. Best theory is it was reformatted.

I is lame, I know.

I'll post the final product still... if nothing else.
 

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@R-T-B are you delidding that chip?
 
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b*tch please, i have been using them since socket 775... never gotten a problem, current one: Z68 ... best one so far....



There you have...


make your mind!

Note: im seriously thinking that intel would never get back to soldering... this crappy glue and cheap TIM on cpu die will be here till the end of time... :(

Regards,

1. True dat, I've always had good luck with Gigabyte, even if I'm stuck with one of their stupid H61 MOBO's right now that won't let me overclock! Ugh. Oh well.

2. What... exactly... am I seeing in that pic..? I've never de-lidded a processor before... Did someone rip the actual CPU chip off the PCB right along with the heat-spreader during the process of de-lidding?? :eek:
 
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@R-T-B are you delidding that chip?


Since reports are it either uses a superepoxy that is nearly as good as solder or is outright soldered, no. I'm happy with the performance of solder/quality epoxy generally and don't see a need to delid for small gain.
 

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Benchmark Scores well I've fried a 775' P4 12 years ago, that counts?
well in cant believe the impact of delid, I'm pretty happy with the result of a pretty dangerous but easy process, I hope you enjoi pretty much your new hardware, Chernobyl-E :D
 
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Cooling 4 Apevia 120mm Blue LED Fans (Front/Top) + 1 80mm Rear Fan; Corsair Hydro H105 Liquid-Cooler on CPU
Memory 32GB Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz DDR3 (Silver, 8GB x 4)
Video Card(s) EVGA 4GB GDDR5 GeForce GTX 970 SuperClocked
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Mouse A-Jazz Wired LED Gaming Mouse
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Benchmark Scores I don't even wanna try yet.
Long story short, I scoured and scoured but I lost the sdcard. Best theory is it was reformatted.

I is lame, I know.

I'll post the final product still... if nothing else.


New pix of finished rig? I want to see this new computer porn lol
 
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Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
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Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches
Software Windows 11 Enterprise (legit), Gentoo Linux x64
New pix of finished rig? I want to see this new computer porn lol

I'll post it this evening, for realz(tm).

Seriously, it'll happen. I'm just stuck in Galciv3 right now.
 
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Processor Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches
Software Windows 11 Enterprise (legit), Gentoo Linux x64
I haven't forgotten, I'm just getting out of a galciv3 marathon. I'll photograph tonight and have some detailed pics by early morning... or late morning if I fall asleep. But soon.
 
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Processor Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches
Software Windows 11 Enterprise (legit), Gentoo Linux x64
Here we finally have some photos!

This is a "working PC" I don't really care about cable management with the level of fans I have, hehe. I keep it like this most of the time and saw no reason to dress it up for photos:





And yes, my color scheme is all kinds of wonky. It's a working PC damnit! (I play games on it but that's beside the point, it's working hard even if I'm not lol)

 
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