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I finally got into my ideal Ph.D program after many years of hard work. Now I am finally ready to build a new rig from ground up as my major work station/gaming station. My current rig got me through my undergrad years, my post-bachelor years and my Master years. It has been a good ride for almost 7yrs now and I am ready to move on to a new build.

As this build will probably be around for a long time, I am allocating 2000~2500 dollars for budget. I am looking to get a 5930K build with 32GB of ram. I do a lot of genomic analysis and annotation and most of these programs require a huge amount of RAM and a solid CPU. As for gaming I was hoping to get something good. I definitely want to wait for the upcoming 390 series, while using my old old 5870 in the new rig before getting the new one.

I would prefer a good 24'' or whatever mainstream monitor size they have these days. I would also like recommendation on some good peripherals. After all, monitor+mouse+keyboard are the stuff I work with every single day.

Thanks in advance!


And one more question, will it be worth it sell my current rig to offset some cost? Or will it be too old to get any money back?
 

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Benchmark Scores well I've fried a 775' P4 12 years ago, that counts?
when you mean "long therm" i guess is something like future proof?
with $2000 budget you get something like this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/MmmZD3
includes ecerything.... a decne tvideo card... but it can be easily replaced...
 
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Don't sell the system. Keep it as a backup. It's way too old.

Monitor: Well it depends. IPS monitors are all the rage these days. I'd suggest a decent IPS 2560*1440 monitor. If you are ready to wait, we should be getting some 2560*1440 144 Hz monitors. But these will cost 600$ minimum and if you add G-Sync into the mix then almost 800$.

Mouse: Look into Logitech's touch mouse. It's pretty decent if you can get used to it's small size and touch surface.

Keyboard: Any cheap mechanical keyboard will do.
 

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I would really prefer a 6 core instead of a 4 core. The differences in genome aligning speed is worth the price difference.
 
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Don't sell the system. Keep it as a backup. It's way too old.

Monitor: Well it depends. IPS monitors are all the rage these days. I'd suggest a decent IPS 2560*1440 monitor. If you are ready to wait, we should be getting some 2560*1440 144 Hz monitors. But these will cost 600$ minimum and if you add G-Sync into the mix then almost 800$.

Mouse: Look into Logitech's touch mouse. It's pretty decent if you can get used to it's small size and touch surface.

Keyboard: Any cheap mechanical keyboard will do.


So a 24'' IPS 144Hz monitor at 2K resolution should be the best? Any thoughts on the rest of system build? Thanks!
 
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So a 24'' IPS 144Hz monitor at 2K resolution should be the best? Any thoughts on the rest of system build? Thanks!
Not necessarily 24 inch but yes. Keep in mind the price though. 600-800$ is fairly large portion of your budget. I am not too knowledgeable about the rest of the stuff so just wait for other people to comment or use other forums too to increase the amount of people who can help. People are quite picky about the forums they visit.
 
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So what's the difference between a rampage extreme and a sabertooth. I had my X38 from ASUS maximus formula. Rock solid quality for the happy 7 yrs it served me.
 
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So what's the difference between a rampage extreme and a sabertooth. I had my X38 from ASUS maximus formula. Rock solid quality for the happy 7 yrs it served me.
Sabertooth has more reliability (better capacitors, better MOSFETs, etc.). WS has more features (support for 4 graphics cards, XMP, RAM Overclocking, better RAM power delivery to support overclocking etc.) The WS board is slightly wider than normal ATX boards (0.9 inches).
 
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Well your timing is excellent I'd say. X99 is out, DDR4 is available. X99 platform has some extreme differences in price and a lot of motherboards have significant markups that are highly questionable. So I'd look carefully at that and take what you need and nothing more. Solid power delivery I would say is an important factor. Don't get too hung up on one brand or on what you know. MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, Asrock all make good boards. There is no real evidence that the more expensive boards really offer more longevity.

Gigabyte GA-X99 UD4 could be a contender
MSI X99S MPOWER also looks good

Drop an i7 5820K on that, 6 cores and a good overclocker (5930K is very pricy for also being a 6 core)

That should get you going I suppose :) I'm at work atm so haven't got time for a full list.
 
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since your budget is $2K you can look for an i7 5820K and X99 bassed board, DDR4 and sh*t, but at this moment DDR4 has a pretty high price, DDR3 will last many time more, so you should decide about DDR4, x99 and 5th gen i7 bassed system or DDR3, Z97 and 4th gen i7 which is still "Future Proof" enough...

About motherboard with X99 chipset, Ggiabyte's x99 SOC champion its pretty accesible, also is a little bit cheaper compared to other models,

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at this moment DDR4 has a pretty high price

The difference on a 64 GB (8x 8GB) kit is 100$, which is worth it IMO.

You can also go for the Eizo Foris FG2421 monitor. It has awesome contrast ratio of 5000:1 and it's a 120 Hz monitor. It's a 1920*1080 panel though.
 
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I finally got into my ideal Ph.D program after many years of hard work. Now I am finally ready to build a new rig from ground up as my major work station/gaming station. My current rig got me through my undergrad years, my post-bachelor years and my Master years. It has been a good ride for almost 7yrs now and I am ready to move on to a new build.

As this build will probably be around for a long time, I am allocating 2000~2500 dollars for budget. I am looking to get a 5930K build with 32GB of ram. I do a lot of genomic analysis and annotation and most of these programs require a huge amount of RAM and a solid CPU. As for gaming I was hoping to get something good. I definitely want to wait for the upcoming 390 series, while using my old old 5870 in the new rig before getting the new one.

I would prefer a good 24'' or whatever mainstream monitor size they have these days. I would also like recommendation on some good peripherals. After all, monitor+mouse+keyboard are the stuff I work with every single day.

Thanks in advance!


And one more question, will it be worth it sell my current rig to offset some cost? Or will it be too old to get any money back?

You don't need 5930K since the only difference with 5820K are the number of PCI-E lanes. Here is a build for $2200 with the extra $300 you can go for a higher end board, add more storage, a case you like and keyboard + mouse which i cannot recommend. There is no 144Hz IPS screen at the moment and I am not sure how useful is getting a 144Hz screen without freesync or gsync and amd or nvidia card respectively. If you do more than just gaming on this computer I would choose 60Hz IPS screen over 144Hz TN screen.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: LEPA AquaChanger 240 103.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI X99S Gaming 7 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($228.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($297.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Transcend SSD370 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.54 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($359.10 @ Amazon)
Total: $2218.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-03 17:02 EDT-0400
 
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After just finishing my masters degree, i would recommend two monitors... it REALLY changed the way i worked. I personally use a 27 and a 22, try and get matched sizes if you sit far away, the text size can get a little small.
 
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After some review reading. It seems 5820K would be a better choice. I would definitely not go for multi graphic card setup.
 
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After just finishing my masters degree, i would recommend two monitors... it REALLY changed the way i worked. I personally use a 27 and a 22, try and get matched sizes if you sit far away, the text size can get a little small.

I will keep my old samsung 22'' and get a new 27'' IPS screen.

Thanks for the tips! :)
 
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Since I am not going SLI, this is what I come up with.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/T7F2nQ

I want to use the Fractal Design R5 but it is not available from the part picker list. I am also thinking of getting the ASUS Sabertooth X99 instead of the MSI X99.

I will only get one SSD, while recycle my two old WD Black 2TB into my new rig.
 

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I want to use the Fractal Design R5

I have one sitting in the box ready to open, if you need some pictures of specific things I can take them when i open it
 
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GTX 970 being so popular and efficient has so much different PCB and power delivery designs - some manufacturers are cutting corners ... I'm not saying that MSI card is bad, but I would rather choose a card with DrMOS integrated circuits used for VRM rather than regular MOSFets ...

Dat MSI:
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6 phases with dual channel mosfets are used

a bit more modern design
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only 4 phases for GPU but Fairchild DrMOS each rated at 50 A, more efficient and cooler

So either they are cutting costs by reducing number of phases or choosing cheaper components while bumping the phase count.
 

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After just finishing my masters degree, i would recommend two monitors... it REALLY changed the way i worked. I personally use a 27 and a 22, try and get matched sizes if you sit far away, the text size can get a little small.
I did that for a long time, a 28" with a 22" and the difference in display sizes drove me insane in the long run. I ended up getting all of the same display when I had a chance to upgrade.

I bought three (3) of these when they were 145USD a pop.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009H0XQRS/?tag=tec06d-20
I would really prefer a 6 core instead of a 4 core. The differences in genome aligning speed is worth the price difference.
What are you doing that requires that kind of horse power? Unless you're doing multi-threaded, real asyncronous programming, or video conversion on a regular basis (every day or every other day?) there really isn't a huge motivation to do this.

If you don't mind me asking, what about your computer now are you unhappy with? While I understand the whole "My computer is old and I want to upgrade" mentality, it's useful knowing weather or not you really need more power because that is a place where you could get a CPU that's a better deal for what you'll be using it for.

I have a degree in Comp Sci, I do threaded and async programming but no so much video conversion and a quad-core still does me fine. So I highly recommend not throwing your money out the window if you really don't need to. I'm just curious what you do that makes a Devils Canyon CPU not be as feasible as a 5820k. You said it yourself, no multi-GPU, so that's a big reason to go skt2011(-3) out the window. DDR4 is still expensive and just as good as DDR3 right now, and the simple fact is that most people who buy skt2011 don't need it.

Side note: Why are all of you people asking him to go skt2011-3 when you don't even know what he uses his tower for or if he has even encountered a bottleneck? Seriously people, stop making the "waste money" recommendation without knowing if he needs it or not.
 
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I missed that, but the deeper point remains:
Do you know the software is written in a way that can utilize 12 logical cores? That's my point. I suspect the benefit comes from a newer CPU, not more cores as software must be very concurrent to utilize that many logical threads. The argument that "they'll align faster" implies cross-thread or cross-process communication (or a single threaded task,) which would negetively impact concurrent performance. I have a strange feeling that a devil's canyon CPU would be faster than a 6c CPU if it can't use more than 10 logical cores effectively, but I could be wrong.

Side note: If you're doing these calculations and you need to be right, the OP should probably rather have a Xeon with ECC memory, not an i7.
Second side note: Even protein folding is typically a single-threaded process where multiple jobs are done at once (but they don't talk to each other). This is the only case where I can see the 12 logical cores being useful.
 
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Do you know the software is written in a way that can utilize 12 logical cores? That's my point. I suspect the benefit comes from a newer CPU, not more cores as software must be very concurrent to utilize that many logical threads. The argument that "they'll align faster" implies cross-thread or cross-process communication (or a single threaded task,) which would negetively impact concurrent performance. I have a strange feeling that a devil's canyon CPU would be faster than a 6c CPU if it can't use more than 10 logical cores effectively, but I could be wrong.

Considering there are many GPU based implementations of sequence alignment algorithms, it means it's probably highly concurrent and probably can use as much cores as you have ... but as you said and it is a good point, one has to be sure before burning money.
 
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