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    I honestly just want the best processor for gaming/multitasking thats out there, while under $600. Some people are saying 3930k intel, and others 3770k(which overclocking can get to 4.5 Ghz)

    Thoughts?
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    im running an i7 2600k @ 4.4 and ABSOOOOLUTELY love it. my friend has a 3770k OC to 4.7 and he loves it too. either will do the job FINE, no issues.
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    Nice list, that's going to be a very very nice rig. :cool:

    Let me continue on my point for RAID, but I'm not going to push on that topic too much more because you don't seem too interested in it. It is very likely that if you have music or video that you don't want to store it on an SSD. It's a waste of space that can be used for things that actually need to load fast. For example, what I do is I installed Windows and Applications on the SSD. I store downloads, music, and video on my RAID-5 as well as intermediate backups of the RAID-0. Then I have an external 1TB drive as a secondary back-up of the RAID-5 and the RAID-0. So whenever something fails (the SSD, a regular HDD, or the external backup,) a minimum of 3 drives must fail before something really bad happens. Granted I have 6 disks between the two SSDs, the 3 1TB HDDs, and the 1Tb external (I need to upgrade this to 2TB in the near future.)

    It's a matter of the data you are going to store. If you don't download a lot, or have many documents, pictures, music, or video, it most likely isn't neccessary but as the amount of data increases on your computer and you start adding things like pictures that you or someone you know has taken, your heart will sink if hardware fails and there are files that you will never see again.

    Personally, I would be devastated if I lost all the pictures of my daughter since she was born which is half of the reason why I have RAID-5 + an external backup.

    Also keep in mind that an external backup isn't usually current because you only backup occasionally. So you can still lose files. RAID-5 gives you an opportunity to save files before more than just 1 drive fails. I think as you use your computer more and more and you put more and more stuff on it a solution like this will make a lot more sense, but until then it doesn't.

    I've seen people hit 4.5Ghz with the 3930k and I've easily been able to do 4.5ghz on my 3820.

    SB-E has been under-estimated IMHO and even the 3820 is a heck of a CPU. It exceeded any expectations I had of it. In fact it blew them away and I bet that the 3930k is even more impressive. I almost got a 3930k myself, but I didn't want to pay twice as much for only 2 more cores, which is why I'm using a 3820. Plus, the stock 3820 performs somewhere between the 2600k and the 3770k (in most cases, some tasks it can do better.) so I have absolutely no complaints.

    Good luck with your rig. It is definitely "built to serve." :cool:
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    Heya! From the looks of it you decided with a 2011 socket. I would suggest the 3770K (since this supports PCI 3.0 and would run lovely on anything) and pair with with any of the ff motherboards (I'm also picking parts for my build, with 1/4 or your budget )

    ASRock Z77 Extreme9 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6...
    ASUS Maximus V EXTREME LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SAT...
    ASUS Maximus V FORMULA/THUNDERFX LGA 1155 Intel Z7...
    GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UP7 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA ...

    my gut tells me to suggest you either the AsRock or Gigabyte board..... the gigabyte one looks awesome with that orange/theme, and the asrock has A LOT of SATA3 ports
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    Still seems one of the better options.....For costing reason as no one else have define the whole sys costing in that way....ya may be the sys spec won't support that upgrade thing but still if there are options the OP must be informed with costing as he stated before about the fixed budget...even I own a LGA 2011 package so costing would be as follows...

    $386.246 core i7 3770k LGA 1155
    http://www.flipkart.com/intel-3-5-ghz-fclga1155-core-i7-3770k-processor/p/itmd99wtkmuffh4a

    $555.00 core i7 3930k LGA 2011
    http://www.flipkart.com/intel-3-2-ghz-lga-2011-core-i7-3930k-processor/p/itmd4vxwxzhetpmy

    and also the supported mobo will rise more cost...
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    @Kevin117007

    Go with the link...it says Display support: Multi-monitor: 4 displays....

    http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-670/specifications
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/1.html

    GTX 670 will be good enough....but yes may increase costing for sure....as it will take $369.00 for 2gb

    as here EVGA 02G-P4-2678-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB 256-bi...
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    Why do you say that? If you're going to say something like that you should at least say why you think that's the case. He has put a lot of emphasis on multi-threading and as a Comp Sci student VT-d would be nice (something k-edition skt1155 chips do not have.) On top of that, you're spending a premium on memory and the SSD when it isn't necessary.

    He wants something that will last a long time and can be upgraded. skt1155 doesn't offer ANY ability to upgrade the CPU or memory if you go this route and get a 3770k.

    We're talking about programming, 3D rendering, and and multi-tasking. Gaming doesn't appear to be the primary goal of this rig, in fact it needs to be capable of gaming and being a workstation, which is why I recommended a RAID to begin with.

    Please, enlighten me, because I don't think I missed anything for what he wants to use this machine for and that an enthusiast platform is really what he is asking for, not a high-end mainstream platform that is at the end of its life.

    Edit: Also, don't double post, there is an edit button for a reason. Thanks!
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    Def skt 2011 or AM3+ Machine would be up to the task.

    this card would definitely fit the task at hand but probably not the bill lol

    http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/ati-firepro-3d/w9000/Pages/w9000.aspx#3
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    He's going into Comp Sci, not graphic design. I suspect that he wants to dabble with 3d rendering on the side. A professional card is completely unnecessary. In fact it will perform worse for more money because I suspect that he will be gaming more than doing 3D rendering and will be mostly programming and gaming with this rig among other every-day tasks. :toast:
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    That is what my point. The costing...don't you think...the whole skt 2011 will increase costing...
    :eek:
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    Obviously it will cost more, it's a faster product, that's a given. You can't expect to get faster hardware and not pay more for it... but there are reasons why you might invest in a skt2011 system. I knew getting a 3820 would cost a little more than a skt1155 chip but it's a matter of building the machine around what you need it to do, not the price. If price was the only factor I would say get a Celeron G530. :slap:
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    Ok I don't know of the 3D modelling thing apart from that the first line need of Op as he said gaming and the heavy programming can be delivered by the skt 1155 (as one of my roomie is using this)

    And yes He may not be able to upgrade...

    And after that if his pocket allows it what would be more nice than having a core i7 3930k , and a Asus rampage IV ext. :respect: thank you for Slap...:)
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    It's not that he may not, he won't be able to upgrade. Intel has made it very clear that Haswell is going to on skt1150.
    The ROG boards are overrated IMHO, the P9X79 Deluxe and Pro are two very nice motherboards with plenty of features to boot.

    You're also welcome for the slap. It was out of tender love and care. ;)
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    well since you got such a big budget

    how about going for the intel 256 ssd?
    a 850w seasonic platinum
    i7 3770k
    nice cooler (like cm 212 +/evo)
    660 ti asus/560ti msi/570 msi should well serve the things you need to do (or a 670)
    nice msi or asus motherboard
    x3 monitor for 150$ each
    ducky shine mx brown(green led)
    roccat kone+ (or those sensei or logi alternate)
    2tb samsung hdd since you will be using the ssd for boot and stuff



    and like what the others said.

    or if you like the lga 2011,look at my build and just arrange things around, you can get them for below 2k $, i remember building one with dual 570 msi. for 19xx $ but since you got a fat wallet, you might as well go with the 3930k, and a 670 asus and a nice asus board, 850w 80plus gold or platinum from seasonic (or corsair if they have the 850i already out) but since you will be using 3 monitors how about going with the 150$ 23" 1920x1080 monitors, should really serve you well.

    you can go with the 3770k or the 3930k both are really great cpu and should perform well on all the task you take it for a spin and both go easily at 4.5ghz
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    Might aswell go skt 2011, expansion is the biggest player on that series. 7950 or 7970
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    You read my mind. You should just build the computer for me LOL!

    But in all seriousness, yes being able to dable in 3d rendering and whatnot would be great. I'm trying out game programming(3d models, animation, ect), so things like that would be useful. But like you said, most day-to-day tasks would involve programming and gaming.
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    That ram you listed is slow (1066mhz) look for something at least 1600mhz. Also that logitech keyboard you listed is not mechanical (earlier you said you were looking for a mechanical keyboard, yes?)
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    Okay, so based on what people are saying I think I will go with the 2011 socket for the main reason of upgradability.

    Upgradability is a must, as I don't want to have build another computer for as long as possible. The plan is to throw down a lot of money now with the initial build, and be able to upgrade it bit by bit as needed.
    To that extent, things like the Haswell and PCI being supported on the 2011 socket seem like it would be the best choice to go with.


    @Aquinus

    Although you have made your point for backing up data on multiple drives, I don't have anything too valuable like family pictures or the like that I'd be devastated if I lost. Most personal data things are programming projects, which are backed up various SVN repositories anyways.

    I do, however, like the idea of putting two drives in RAID 0 to improve read speeds. I'd probably end up doing this with a SSD. I'd back it up once a day to my HD. Do you think this is reasonable for the cost/performance improvement, or should I just not worry about it? I believe right now that my SSD are still the bottleneck for speed, so improving them any way possible is a good idea.



    On the topic of RAM, a friend of mine said that the proposed G.SKILL RAM
    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3...
    wasn't that great quality. It seems that it only runs at 1066mhz(thanks for ZakkWylde for pointing that out) Any other suggestions?

    Also, the motherboard suggested (ASUS P9X79 DELUXE LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s US...) supports quad-channel memory. What exactly are the benefits of this, and how can I purchase RAM to make sure I take advantage of this?
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    Initial build converted to socket 2011 build as requested
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    Then He must go with G Skill RipJaws Z Eries 16 GB (4x4 GB)

    G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DD...



    And for OP see My Specs I too build this machine with the help of TPU and I am Not sure but it may fit your budget too....(even i did'nt buy a New keyboard nd mouse) yet It may suit you

    You may Replace that GTX 680 with a GTX 670 (670 is very nice with comparably low price)

    and yes there are options for motherboard as Aquinus saying in the above cmnt...so go for it It will also loose cost and seriously...No need of cooling (While I too brought it even I was asked to not by eidairaman1) you will merely need that but yes do take care of the PSU as the whole system will seriously need some power

    Oh I am delighted sir ji....
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    I read he was going to do a lot of CompSci oriented work, wouldn't the improved GPGPU capabilities of the 7900 series benefit him more than the gaming performance of a 600 series?
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    Basically quad-channel is four memory sticks paired up....You got it Means The Mobo will provide you 4 sticks to pin the RAM So it will surely help you to increase your RAM in future...

    look it specs of @xenocide or Mine for RAM...
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    @xenocide

    I was saying for 600 gtx series just because I m using 680 which is costly then 670 other then that eidairaman1 also stated about the 7900 series Now it is upto OP...;)
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    So my new current build is on the first page. Total cost is $2873.
    My biggest question now, in trying to keep costs down, is that crossfiring 2 7970s really give a performance boost? (As opposed to buying a single 7970) Or maybe I should consider a completely different graphics card?
    Again I want to be able to game on highest resolution all the newest games, ect, while also be able to handle somewhat moderate 3d work if necessary.

    Graphics cards I'm considering:
    670
    680
    7950
    7970

    I don't think I'm going to set up the SSDs in RAID, two expensive and doesn't really see much performance boost.
    As of now, I'm good with all the parts except maybe the graphics card. Still undecided on that.

    After the graphics card gets nailed down, I'm going to try worrying about the noise. I'm unsure how noisy the case/fan/PSU I choose will be. This is going to be in a small room with two people, so obv. I don't want it to be obnoxious. Does anyone have experience with these items?

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