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Discussion in 'System Builder's Advice' started by satadip, Dec 12, 2009.

  1. kurosagi01

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    if i was on tight budget i would go for an 400-450W corsair psu,an MSI C770 or something motherboard AM2+ so you can use your rams again,AMD athlon II X3 or X4 CPUs and a 5770 or 5850 if you can stretch it to the 5850
     
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    OP not give total budget ...

    If he give budget then we make Good system for him ...
     
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    I say get the intel quad setup :D
     
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    Hi i am also from India...and i am not sure that ur zeb bijli can handle gtx 260 or higher versions

    and u can buy all phenom ii or intel quad or i7 model through online shops.....
    or also u can try in Indian forums....just sent me a PM for more info
     
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    Can u pls explain sumthng as to why...:confused::confused:.. I was quite decided on this one..... Dont know whether i will be able to get glasialpower in kolkata.....
     
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    Its complicated man,,,, i have 36K total in hand :

    Parts to purchase new :
    Processor, Motherboard, SMPS, Graphics card, Cabinet, case cooling fans.

    Parts i can reuse :
    2x2 GB transcend ddr2 800, 250 GB seagate HDD, DVD writer, one 80 mm case fan.

    Optional spending :
    Dat 250 GB will not b sufficient, want to manage another 500 GB drive (I download a lot, after upgrade will need even more space for pending games like GTA 4, Stranglehold etc which i cud not play wid my 7600 GT )
    I desparately need a good headphone for my N79 - around Rs.1000
    My 500VA APC UPS battery has gone dead have to replace that too.

    So i preferably want to spend 30-31 K on the new parts and spend the rest on the optional required ones..... But if i get any killer performance boost within my total budget of 36K then i am willing to spend it all on purchasing new parts only.....Hav to manage the rest after a few months....... Otherwise if its possible then 31K can be considered my max budget... :p
     
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    AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE = 6350 /-
    Asus M4A78-EM-1394 = 4550/-
    Corsair VX450/Seasonic PS S12II-500 500W = 4500 /5200 -
    Seagate 500 GB = 2400/-

    Total = 17800/18500/-

    Now u want GFX card ...

    I suggest Ati over Nvidia. Right now ATi is best option with new Dx11 5xxx series ...
    HD 5770/HD 5850 - 11500/17500/-

    Total =29300/36000/-

    Ati HD5850 is much much better than GTX275,GTX285 + it support DX11(More future proof than Nvidia), thr4 i suggest it.And their is no Driver issue with ATi, so dont worry.

    Check this and then decide :-
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/

    And about ur PSU query :-
    Corsair VX450 vs CM extreme power 600 (some key differences):
    (1) Rated at 50 degrees C vs rated at 25 degrees C
    (2) Active PFC (0.99) vs passive PFC
    (3) 80%+ efficiency guranteed vs 65-70% roughly.
    (4) Hi-Qual Jap caps vs not so Jap caps
    (5) Double ball bearing fan vs sleeve bearing fan most prolly
    (6) 5 yr warranty vs 2/3 yr warranty (heard that low end CM psu like Extreme power series have only 2yr warranty now.)

    (Seasonic also as good as Corsair with 5 years warranty. If u buy 5850 i recommend Seasonic PSU)

    Just numbers on paper have nothing to do with the stability and purity of the various o/p signals, etc... which is one of the biggest factors in choosing a psu.

    Lower efficiency means higher losses- means even more heat than acceptable for normal operation- means even further drops in power/efficiency- plus greater instability/impurity in o/p
    (Further aggravated by lack of proper heatsink/cooling).

    And u can find all product at :-

    Arihant Infotech
    3, BIPLABI ANUKUL CHANDRA STREET ( CHANDNI CHOWK ),
    Kolkata - 700072
    Mobile: 9331004141
    Landline : 22127871 / 22537186
    Landmark : Besides Sabir Hotel ( A dirty Dhaba )

    Vedant Infosys
    4, CHANDNI CHOWK STREET,
    Kolkata - 700072
    Mobile: 9830653393
    Landline : 22127893/22129832
    Landmark : 1 minute from Sabir Hotel ( A dirty Dhaba )

    Note : You'll find Arihant easily ( but do note there are 3 types of Arihant in Chandni Chowk so please see carefully the name carefully )

    Once u find Arihant , there'll be Sabir Hotel besides it
    Arihant is at a 4 cross hair junction.

    From Arihant turn left from that side of footpath where Arihant is and walk straight till 1 minute and on that side of the path where you're walking there will be Vedant.

    Vedant will offer the best price that you can find in Chandni Chowk.

    Edit :-
    If lucky, u can unlock one core of 720BE with Asus M4A78-EM-1394 mobo ...

    My friend unlock 2 cores of 550 BE with this mobo ...
     
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    @-rahulyo - thanks man, that was a great help. But when i called up Arihant they quoted me 7200 for the phenom x3. still i will check it out again on monday.

    about the PSU, u mentioned major power signal and build quality difference btwn da CM and Corsair,,, but dont you think 450/500 watt will be too low to power my entire system (with 2 HDD, 2 DVD writers and 5 Case fans)????
     
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    It gave 470 watts at 100% load with probably the max no. of components i will probably use.... So does that mean i am safe with a 500w or i shud get a 600/650 for safety and some free headroom ??????
     
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    and 482 watt at 100% TDP altho i dont know what that means...... ( Cpu utilisation==TDP ??)
     
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    Extra watts doesn't mean extra performance, set everything at max and see how much is needed. If you use a 600W PSU when your system needs only 500W, the system will still draw 600W wasting the power.
    As for TDP
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Power
    In my opinion the 500W will do, if you might add more components in the future go for 550W
     
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    I think you should go for Core 2 Quad with MSI GTX 260.

    Reason why i say so:

    1) Get the quad core because if your going to use these hardware for the next 3yrs, you wont have to upgrade because even now there isnt proper software that properly use the quad core power. But in the next 3yrs it will surely be used. and its worth spending RS.500 to get a 4 core processor than a 3 core since you wont be upgrading.

    2)Im telling you to get the MSI one because i have used MSI products for years without fail. (Im not telling you not to go for Palit. Im just siggesting this because i have used MSI products but not Palit so im not sure of their products. :p)

    And GTX260 will be able to last for atleast the next 2 years guaranteed if you dont use Antialiasing. I can say this because im having a X1950GT which is 2006 in my second rig (see signature) and i can play Call Of Duty 4 on full graphics with no antialiasing on 1360x768 and Call Of Duty 5 World at War on full graphics no AA on 1920x1080 (tested on my TV). I would also have recommended a 4890 by ATi but i would say go for GTX260 for the Physx.

    Hope this helped. :)
     
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    I would agree with you on that. But a 5770? No way. GTX260 (normal version not the 216 shader version) is better than that. Unless you can go for a 5770 on crossfire or a 5850, stick to the GTX260. Dont waste your performance for DirectX11.So satadip if you want to go for DirectX 11 wait because prices will come down soon after nVidia releases the GT3xx Series.
     
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    Dont buy any LGA 775 socket Mobo and CPU now ...

    Why not order online ???If u not know any(Indian) online site, i can help u about this.I bought most of computer stuff online.No problem.U get Low price + All products u want.

    Vedant will offer the best price that you can find in Chandni Chowk.

    And go Personally to shop,dont ask prices on Phone.
     
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    Yeah but if you re not so much into OC, well just get an e8*** or q8***/q9*** and keep your current mobo, that is, if your current one supports the ones i listed. Invest more in the gpu department. I would have proposed an hd5*** but since you want a gtx 260, well then go for it. But don't expect it do hold 3 years at least if you want to turn off some eye candy.
     
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    I have already sold my old cpu to get as much money i can get for the total upgrade. i am sitting ducks now as for gaming. Using my old P4 to surf net and download whole night.

    All of my money is hard cash accumulated over last 2 years. I guess i will not be able to purchase online without any sort of credit/debit card which i dont have........

    Thanks for the suggestion.... I am leaning heavily towards what u r saying... will surely grab the MSI if i manage to get one .........Palit is only my second option......regarding the processor i am fearing that a 2.66 ghz quad might perform poorly in current generation games than the faster 3 core,,, specially since multitasking doesnt matter anything to me other than pure game performance. over the years, tho it might hold on to its performance while the 3 core will fall off....... I`m a lil confused........
     
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    U not need credit/debit card for online shopping .Bcoz they r dealers. I deposit money in bank acc and get my product within a 2-3 days.

    I already said " Dont buy any LGA 775 socket Mobo and CPU now."But u dont want to listen then go and buy Intel Quad + MSI GTX 260 and after an year come back to ask for Upgrade. And yes Intel quad is more costly.Intel stop making new LGA 775 CPU.So no upgrade is possible.

    For gaming (At high res. like 1600x1050 above) u not need much powerful CPU but need Powerful GPU and u know that HD5850 is a Beast.Google GTX 260 vs HD5850 and see the results. I suggest u AMD bcoz it is more Value For Money.And u Have only 36000.AMD make CPU which is backward compatible. AMD launch new AM3 CPU but they are compatible with all AM2+ socket .

    And Dont Consider Palit in ur option(Not a good brand ,cheap components used).XFX HD4890 is also a good card compare to GTX 260 price is 11500-12000/-.
     
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    Why not 5770 ???in performance a 5770 sits around a 260+, and a 275 is a bit faster than both.

    Just research on it or i do for u :-

    http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=200723

    http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=12436

    http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=831873

    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=309905
     
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    Welcome to TPU man. One of our news editors is also from India. Smart guy but don't believe anything he says about me.
     
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    Bro its almost equal.But this is why the GTX 260 is better.



    GTX 260 (216) Memory Bus Type: 64x7 (448 bit) HD 5770Memory Bus Type: 64x2 (128 bit)

    GTX 260 (216) Texture Fill Rate: 41472 MTexels/sec HD 5770Texture Fill Rate: 34000 MTexels/sec

    GTX 260 (216) Pixel Fill Rate: 16128 MPixels/sec HD 5770Pixel Fill Rate: 13600 MPixels/sec

    GTX 260 (216) Memory Bandwidth: 111.888 GB/sec
    HD 5770Memory Bandwidth: 76.8 GB/sec


    The Core clock speed and memory clock speed is faster (GTX 260 =Core Clock: 576 MHz, Memory Clock: 999 MHz ; HD 5770 = Core Clock: 850 MHz, Memory Clock: 2400 MHz)


    But the Texture fill rate and pixel fill rate are much better than the 5770. And the memory bandwidth too is much better. Another reason i would say why you should not buy the 5770 is because of the sucky 128 bit memory bus which sucks compared to a the 448 bit of the GTX 260.

    Only plus point in getting a 5770 would be the direct X 11.
     
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    No problem :toast: Yeah buying a 3 core or 4 core is your decision. Both are good likewise.
     
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    I agree with you on that. Because a single 5770 is not as good as a GTX 260. Myself being a 5770 user agree with mdsx1950 on this one. Its only good for DX11. But risking performance for just a little more graphics is useless if your card cant handle it. Thats why i went crossfire.

    Same scenario happened back then when DX10 came out. When Crysis was released every gamer jumped into the ATI 2xxxx and 3xxxx Series. Like 2600XTs and 3470s. Just because these cards supported DirectX10.

    So Rahulyo were they able to play Crysis with all Direct X 10 settings (Enthusiast settings) ????? And of course the answer is no.

    Getting a GTX 260 means your sacrificing DX11 Eye candy for performance
    Getting a 5770 means your sacrificing performance for DX11 eye candy the card cant handle.
    Getting a 5770 on CF like me would mean getting performace and getting DX11 eye candy ;):D:D
     
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    What may look good on paper doesn't have to be true in real world. ATI used to have better specs on their GPU's, Nvidia still used to beat them.
    The 5770 is better than the 260 and has dx11 support.
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_5750_PCS/30.html

    @rahulyo: There's no point in explaining it to this guy, some people never listen. Just give him an intel and nvidia configuration so you can say "I told you so" later. Let him learn the hard way.
     
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    No use comparing relative performance at all resolutions . Satadip wants a 1600x900 resolution. So GTX 260 216 Shaders performs better than the 5770 at that level. :laugh:

    [​IMG]

    This is the closest that comes to 1600x900.

    :toast:
     

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