need NEW GPU

hoax32 · Oct 15, 2010

hi TPU!!!
I wanto to upgrade my systems gpu a litle:

I currently have a Radeon 7000 "Dionsaur Edition"!
Im planing to upgrade to an
nVidia MX440 128MB "Middle Age Edition"

Is that gonna make sens?
PLEASE DONT TELL ME TO UPGRADE TO AN COMPLETELY NEW SYSTEM!!!
I LOVE TO PLAY WITH OLDER SYSTEMS!!!!

Is a Mx440 enough for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory / GTA SA / Cossacks / COD 2 ?

brandonwh64 · Oct 15, 2010

6600GT is your best bet! you can lurk around and get a AGP version from like 25$

Kursah · Oct 15, 2010

I think you'd be better off finding a used ATI Radeon 9700 or 9800 128/256MB card honestly. Lotsa grunt for back when they were released and would smoke both the 440MX and 7000. At least from what I recall. I also had good luck with my 128MB 9600 Pro radeon...did play some CoD2 with that card...albiet not cranked up. But at your resolution, gaming with those cards could be realistic, but I'd try to get something with a little more grunt imo.

:toast:

Edit: didn't even think of the good ol' 6600GT...not sure where it stands but I still stand behind recommending a 9700 or 9800.

streetfighter 2 · Oct 15, 2010

My 10 year old laptop can play GTA:SA, that game is like cake.

CoD2 (not MW2) is also fairly cake.

No idea about Wolfenstein Enemy Territory.

You only have AGP 4x which really bites but the best (and perhaps last) cards for AGP were the HD 3850 and the 6600GT (as brandonwh64 said). Obviously your best bet is finding them used.

brandonwh64 · Oct 15, 2010

Biggest AGP card you can get

HIS IceQ H467QS1GHA Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Video Card

TheLaughingMan · Oct 15, 2010

After reading your specs, I just want to say I am sorry. Please, please, please build an entire new rig.

theonedub · Oct 15, 2010

MX440 is trash. Brandon is right on with the 6600GT (I regret getting a X700 Pro instead of the 6600GT back in the day :laugh:

)

streetfighter 2 · Oct 15, 2010

brandonwh64 said:
Biggest AGP card you can get

HIS IceQ H467QS1GHA Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Video Card

I just grabbed my dictionary to loop up "bottleneck". It was a picture of hoax32's rig standing next to that graphics card! :laugh:

I can't believe ATI bothered to keep making cards for AGP up into the 4000 series but starvation makes that amusingly absurd.

Dent1 · Oct 15, 2010

hoax32 said:
hi TPU!!!
I wanto to upgrade my systems gpu a litle:

I currently have a Radeon 7000 "Dionsaur Edition"!
Im planing to upgrade to an
nVidia MX440 128MB "Middle Age Edition"

Is that gonna make sens?
PLEASE DONT TELL ME TO UPGRADE TO AN COMPLETELY NEW SYSTEM!!!
I LOVE TO PLAY WITH OLDER SYSTEMS!!!!

Is a Mx440 enough for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory / GTA SA / Cossacks / COD 2 ?

Avoid the MX440, they were a pile of crap.

I think the fastest AGP cards will be the x19xx series and 79xx series for DX 9.0 and 3850 and 4670 for DX10.

The bottom line is investing money in this rig is silly. Sell the entire rig on Ebay and build a new.

Edit:

I doubt Hoax will listen to us anyways, in his previous post we all told him to get computer #1 which was the Athlon XP.... But it looks like ignored us anyways and got the slower P4. There is no helping some people.

SYSTEM NO.1:

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+ 256kb L2
GPU: ATI Radeon 9800
RAM: 1GB SDRAM PC133
HDD: 40GB Samsung 7200rpm

Whats the faster system?

ЭИiḠ₥Ѧ™ · Oct 15, 2010

I agree with Dent --- trash it and get new.... You can't expect performance out of old equipment running the apps of today... Way too much overhead...

Fastest AGP in my old boxes?? ---> Asus X800 XT (It was sweet, back in the day...)
Since then, I went Quadro and never looked back....

Does anyone wanna buy my copy of Win 3.1 (orig. 3 flops)???? LMAO :roll:

Tatty_Two · Oct 15, 2010

Awwwww I have 3 MX440's and 2 MX4000's lying around here, they were OK cards in their day but to be honest, a little embarrasing and underwhelming by todays standards, people have mentioned a number of decent solutions, if you cannot go for say a 3850 AGP you may want to consider the 7900GS, i would think you could get one off Fleabay for about $30.

n-ster · Oct 15, 2010

Dent1 said:
Avoid the MX440, they were a pile of crap.

I think the fastest AGP cards will be the x19xx series and 79xx series for DX 9.0 and 3850 and 4670 for DX10.

The bottom line is investing money in this rig is silly. Sell the entire rig on Ebay and build a new.

Edit:

I doubt Hoax will listen to us anyways, in his previous post we all told him to get computer #1 which was the Athlon XP.... But it looks like ignored us anyways and got the slower P4. There is no helping some people.

SYSTEM NO.1:

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+ 256kb L2
GPU: ATI Radeon 9800
RAM: 1GB SDRAM PC133
HDD: 40GB Samsung 7200rpm

Whats the faster system?

lol makes me think of u2k... EDIT: nvm he chose faster RAM+CPU vs GPU, which is not too bad of a choice

Wait, don't you already have the mx440?

hat · Oct 15, 2010

Dent1 said:
I doubt Hoax will listen to us anyways, in his previous post we all told him to get computer #1 which was the Athlon XP.... But it looks like ignored us anyways and got the slower P4. There is no helping some people.

No, general advice was to take rig #2 with the video card from #1 and the hard drive from #3. That doesn't explain why he has a radeon 7000 though, as he should have the 9800. :ohwell:

DRDNA · Oct 15, 2010

hoax32 said:
hi TPU!!!
I wanto to upgrade my systems gpu a litle:

I currently have a Radeon 7000 "Dionsaur Edition"!
Im planing to upgrade to an
nVidia MX440 128MB "Middle Age Edition"

Is that gonna make sens?
PLEASE DONT TELL ME TO UPGRADE TO AN COMPLETELY NEW SYSTEM!!!
I LOVE TO PLAY WITH OLDER SYSTEMS!!!!

Is a Mx440 enough for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory / GTA SA / Cossacks / COD 2 ?

How much are willing to spend then? The AGP 3850 and 4670 ATI cards are the strongest.

Dent1 · Oct 15, 2010

hat said:
No, general advice was to take rig #2 with the video card from #1 and the hard drive from #3. That doesn't explain why he has a radeon 7000 though, as he should have the 9800.

lol, regardless he didnt do what was advised.

n-ster said:
lol makes me think of u2k... EDIT: nvm he chose faster RAM+CPU vs GPU, which is not too bad of a choice

Actually the Athlon XP series was significantly faster than the P4 series even at almost half the clock.

n-ster · Oct 15, 2010

I wonder how much he paid for it

hoax32 · Oct 15, 2010

Dent1 said:
Avoid the MX440, they were a pile of crap.

I think the fastest AGP cards will be the x19xx series and 79xx series for DX 9.0 and 3850 and 4670 for DX10.

The bottom line is investing money in this rig is silly. Sell the entire rig on Ebay and build a new.

Edit:

I doubt Hoax will listen to us anyways, in his previous post we all told him to get computer #1 which was the Athlon XP.... But it looks like ignored us anyways and got the slower P4. There is no helping some people.

SYSTEM NO.1:

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+ 256kb L2
GPU: ATI Radeon 9800
RAM: 1GB SDRAM PC133
HDD: 40GB Samsung 7200rpm

Whats the faster system?

I build that system for my budy! ;-)
No for me and i took ur advise!!!
I build it with the Radeon u told me!
ThX for help!

n-ster · Oct 15, 2010

see? don't judge ppl too fast lol

but hoax, how much did you pay for these systems? did you get them free?

hoax32 · Oct 15, 2010

Yeah!!!
Im lucky!
The computerstore @ my house gives me old systems for like $10!!!
Once i got a old case for free, with a motherboard, and the guy from the shop didnt knew, that there was a dualcore 2.13GHz inside!

Most systems i get, are complete except HDD.
(But that doesnt matter, because i have like 10x 40GB sitting on my shelf! :nutkick:

)

Thanks for ur help ALL!
Gonna get me a Radeon 9800!

n-ster · Oct 15, 2010

for 300~400$ you could get an OK modern system

just a heads up

hoax32 · Oct 15, 2010

Well like i said:

Im not really interested in new Systems. :shadedshu

I like the older ones!!!
Its like a challenge to try to compeet with newer systems!!!

My system had following specs when i first bought it:

-Onboard Intel Praphics 32MB Shared
-256MB DDR RAM PC1600
-Pentium4 2GHz
-60GB 5400rpm HDD
-Stock cooler

NOW:

-Radeon 7000
-1GB DDR RAM PC2100
-Pentium4 2,53GHz
-80GB 5400rpm HDD
-Mass Cool 478 Cooler Silent

crazyeyesreaper · Oct 15, 2010

lol a sempron 140 or w.e 2gigs DDR3 or DDR2 a cheapo am2+/am3 board with integrated graphics is gonna be faster then anything he has above and should be around $200 mark i can understand making stuff last but damn man please get something that isnt ancient and useless and no longer supported by the companies that made the parts

streetfighter 2 · Oct 15, 2010

hoax32 said:
Its like a challenge to try to compeet with newer systems!!!

Well, given the generational difference it's technically impossible, lest you change the laws of physics.

But I like your moxie!

In the same sort of thinking that crazyeyesreaper was saying, I picked up an Athlon 4200+ based system out of the trash with 2GB DDR400. I currently run it as an HTPC. That thing could walk up and down on your rig. Cost to me $0.

Dent1 · Oct 15, 2010

hoax32 said:
Well like i said:

Im not really interested in new Systems. :shadedshu

I like the older ones!!!
Its like a challenge to try to compeet with newer systems!!!

The thing is, you are aiming far too low to do that.

There is no way that a near 10 year old CPU will come within 10% of the performance of todays slowest modern CPU. That whole "compete with newer systems" stuff does not fly.

_JP_ · Oct 15, 2010

hoax32 said:
Thanks for ur help ALL!
Gonna get me a Radeon 9800!

Sweet, I remember those costing almost 400€ (if not more) in 2003. Pity they only support DX9, instead of DX9b or DX9c. Costing roughly the same you could get a used x1650XT, that would have more performance, wouldn't bottleneck that P4 (too much) and would support the DX9c.

Dent1 said:
Avoid the MX440, they were a pile of crap.

I think the fastest AGP cards will be the x19xx series and 79xx series for DX 9.0 and 3850 and 4670 for DX10.
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Aye, but the 79xx was unstable and the x19xx heated a lot. Best find now is a 4650 for low resolutions (the 4670 is very expensive) and get the 3850 for bigger screens (cranking up the AGP aperture size).

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