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New AMD GPU Family Codenames "Volcanic Islands" and "Pirate Islands"

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  1. btarunr

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    AMD's next generation GPU family that leverages upcoming silicon fab technologies to increase transistor counts, while maintaining or lowering thermal envelopes, is codenamed "Volcanic Islands," and we've known about that for some time now.

    The centerpiece of "Volcanic Islands" family is "Hawaii," a high-end GPU that makes up top single- and dual-GPU SKUs; followed by "Maui" and "Tonga." Not much is known about these two. A dual-GPU product with two "Hawaii" chips is confusingly codenamed "New Zealand," which is already used to designate certain Radeon HD 7990 graphics cards. AMD is expected to debut its first "Volcanic Islands" GPUs in Q4-2013, when foundry partner TSMC's swanky new 20 nm node is expected to take flight.

    When digging through change-logs of system information tool HWInfo, 3DCenter.org discovered what it hypothesizes to be a successor to "Volcanic Islands." Called "Pirate Islands," the GPU family contains chips codenamed after popular islands where sea pirates took shore leave; that's "Bermuda," "Fiji," and "Treasure Island."

    AMD could also do away with the Radeon HD xxxx model number scheme, replacing it with something that looks like "Radeon R# xxxx." We have two theories on how something like that could be worked out. First, of course, is that "R#" could denote generation, "xxxx" the model number (eg: Radeon R9 1900), a simple replacement of the "HD" moniker; and second is that "R#" could denote market segment, and "xxxx" model number (eg: Radeon R9-170 for "Hawaii XT," R8-170 for "Maui XT," R7-170 for "Tonga XT," and R9-270 for "Bermuda XT," etc.)

    Source: 3DCenter.org
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    20nm? should be good.
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    So when did TSMC's 20nm node get moved up for series production? TSMC's own symposium noted "Mass production for 20nm is planned for the first half of next year (H1 2014)"
    R2-D2 presumably for a half-height card?
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    Just under the first pic of dude's head.


    Plus this:

    By the next head-pic down. :p

    Qualification takes 3-6 months. That's assuming the designs for these GPUs are already pre-tested, but that date is pretty realisitic.

    Once qualification testing is passed, designs go into mass production = 1H 2014. It is August, after all. Thing is, that article is form April, so really, we're looking at the end of September. Go figure, that's the date that's been passed around lately for AMD cards. I am pretty sure we also heard they shipped already to OEM partners, those units would be ES qualification units. That was just a short while ago, so if going by 6 months, 1H 2014 still makes reasonable sense. Add in that AMD might push qualification in 3 months, and September rings a bell again.


    So what did we learn today, class?



    I dunno.



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    Sorry about that, I had the Cadence and SemiInd articles bookmarked for another forum thread. A more recent indicator would be TSMC's Q2 financials a couple of weeks ago:
    Probably safe to assume that AMD (and everyone else using TSMC's 20nm) will have risk wafers going through the fabs- and I presume there will be what amounts to hand-building some cards for runtime/validation (Do AMD still have their Canadian workshop for hand-building cards?), but I'm picking that Apple might be at the head of the queue for actual production.
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    The smaller the node size the higher the transistor density and the more difficult to cool based on reduced surface area. There isn't much in life that's free... Reduced node size below ~32nm basically allows for reduced power consumption, which is always appreciated on highend graphics cards, which tend to consume a lot of power and produce a lot of heat.
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    Yeah, 20nm designs probably taped out/started production in April, which multiple sources have reported they started ramping production from risk. Perhaps the first yields on those designs were better than expected...or perhaps good enough for AMD (later it was also reported it had reached a point Apple was also satisfied with the process).

    While it made sense for amd to stick to 28nm for products pretty much any time before October, the farther we got away from first half '13 and closer to at least a six month break from that 20nm news, the more realistic the possibility became such a refresh may be cancelled (as it would need to have a shorter life). Perhaps they realized they were just not going to win in performance (which seemed obvious if you compare core designs even if it was theoretically close) and taking the value backseat (especially at the high-end without a huge redundancy/professional gpgpu route to make it feasible) was not as strong a financial option as eatting the process cost on 20nm and selling those products at a huge premium (ie what they did with Pitcairn when it launched at a ridiculous $350 for a 212mm chip with 5ghz value gddr5).

    Another thing to note is 16nm risk is starting in q4 THIS YEAR (according to tsmc). That means the typical 1.425 increase we expect between AMD generations will probably get roughly a 1/3 increase over that sooner rather than later...if not a somewhat rapid turnover of slightly larger 20nm products with perhaps a bigger bus and/or high-speed gddr5 to a smaller chips with gddr6 (like r600->r670). I think that potentially explains why Pirate Islands is listed already.
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    Under the subheading "Manufacturing and Capacity", first paragraph, final sentence:
    "Mass production for 20nm is planned for the first half of next year."
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    YAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

    I'm sorry.
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    i wanted to post in the news feedback thread, but it didnt warn me that there is a time limit on how old the last post is, so i lost my post there...

    i wanted to say that TPU should post more rumor stories that are seen on videocardz, it's not like TPU avoids rumors, but a few stories were missed like the frame-pacing driver was dated for july31 according to the official amdradeon twitter
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    YAR YAR FIDLLY YII A PIRATES LIFE IS THE LIFE FER MEH

    But to the point I hope the new naming system would be simpler
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    Huh?

    So lets see...

    Hawaii is a large volcanic island (the 'Big Island') originally populated by Polynesians; and

    New Zealand is two large volcanic islands (the South Island and the North Island) originally populated by Polynesians.

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    So what's so confusing about a single GPU model being named Hawaii and a dual-GPU model being named New Zealand?

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    This is what I am waiting for the high end next gen graphics,:D
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    High yield? Sounds good. I just hope I don't have to plunder my bank account to get one.

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    Press launch event is in September.

    No way in hell this is 20nm. 28nm for sure.
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    So are we finally getting new GPUs or just another gen of rehashes? ;)
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    Everyone forget about Globalfoundries ?

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    switching to different process (gate last vs gate first) would cause a hell of a headache and definitely not cheap. i think amd would keep glofo for cpus only. it's a bad (and done) deal anyway.
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    Odd didn’t notice this topic yesterday...

    First an FYI here in the states; it appears AMD is clearing the pipes. Egg's had a bunch of AMD deals the past week... like a P-C 7850 1Gb for $110 –AR, even now TigerD has the MSI R7950-3GD5/OC BE for $180 –AR$30.

    Giving what's materialized for end of September in Hawaii, some prject it as Technical/Press presentation for Shock & Awe, I'm not sure what will transpire anymore. I thought we'd see a 20Nm "Hawaii" as more or less "paper launch" in December with volumes Q1 2014. While I figured they’d surprise everyone with a with 28Nm cards as Pitcairn replacement (Maui) for October. The rumors are pretty clear the at this point "Hawaii" is coming on the 28Nm process.

    I reckon this end of September hurricane will be an all-encompassing technical presentation of AMD graphic hardware, roadmaps, software, and how it all compliments their Gaming Evolved program. Figure they be floating stuff on Kaveri APU's, perhaps something on the game consoles, HSA, and OpenCL
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    Consider these second generation GCN chips probably don't have the R&D or risk this time around, while something tells me AMD will try harvesting 3 "true derivatives" from Hawaii not XT/LE and a gelding. When Nvidia binned 5 derivatives from the GK104, I think AMD has been rightly enlighten!
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    Kind of depends on what you're expecting. If GCN 2.0 is an incremental tweak of GCN 1.0/1.1 then that would be true. Likewise if you're only expecting a modest increase in core count.

    That of course would be at odds with some of the expectations of others (~25% increase in die size, core/TMU/ROP count, TDP etc. seems to a favourite configuration), or Charlie D's assertion that Hawaii will comfortably depose Titan's performance (and presumably a fully enabled GK110) with his hyperbolic "This one [Hawaii] is going to change the market mainly because there is no competition for it this year"
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    I'm fairly sure you can delete your own posts, just click EDIT and then Delete :toast:


    I just hope they can manage atleast 30% more performance than Titan with the new manufacturing node, if it's less then Nvidia will probably charge over the moon for Maxwell...
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