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  1. dylricho

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    Hi there guys,

    I'm going to be building a cheap, entry-level computer that will be used primarily for productivity (web development, graphic design, office, etc.) and I'll also want to play GTA IV + the expansion packs, and play + record Minecraft at 1080p on full detail and far render distance. As such, the occasional video editing will be necessary, but I don't want the machine based around this - just as long as it is capable of doing it, is all that matters.

    Before I get to the configuration, I would like to know since I'm in the UK, if I purchase from Amazon US, am I paying the US price in GBP, or will it be converted to a different GBP price? For example, a $250 processor - will it cost me $250 in GBP, or be converted to something around the same price point for the UK market, like £230?

    I'm trying to stay at the £400 budget area. So, without further ado; the configuration:

    Motherboard
    • ASUS A88XM-A
    • Socket FM2

    Processor
    • AMD A10-5800K APU
    • 4 x 3.80 GHz
    • Turbo Core up to 4.20 GHz
    • Integrated graphics [see GPU]
    • 100 W TDP

    RAM
    • G.SKILL Sniper Series
    • 2 x 4 GB DDR3-1866/PC3-14900

    Storage
    • WD Black
    • 1 TB
    • 7200 rpm
    • 64 MB cache

    GPU
    • Integrated AMD Radeon HD 7660D
    • 800 MHz
    • 384 shaders, 24 TMUs, 8 ROPs, 6 compute units
    • DirectX 11.0, OpenGL 4.3, OpenCL 1.2, Shader Model 5.0

    ODD
    • LG GH24NS95B Black
    • 48x CD-ROM
    • 16x DVD-ROM

    Case
    • Fractal Design Define R4
    • Black Pearl

    PSU
    • EVGA 500B
    • 500 W
    • 80+ bronze certified

    Thank you!
     
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    power supply?
     
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    Sorry, I accidentally slipped with my mouse and posted before I was done. I've included everything, and changed the RAM as I'm sure the APU can't handle anything above DDR3-1866.

    Thank you!
     
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    Why not A10 7850K? and the APU can handle most RAM above 1866, it can handle around 2666 IIRC

    <<< from the UK, so feel free to ask for UK etailer advice.
    PM me if you have any qualms
     
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    If the APU and the ASUS A88XM-PLUS motherboard are within my budget, I might consider it.

    And thank you. :)
     
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    By the way, it's pointless basing your prices on Amazon US, the tax is different and so are the offers. Use PCPartPicker UK to enable everyone to suggest you hardware, it's relatively universal. That being said, OCUK, Scan.co.uk are good places to start of daily and weekly deals on hardware.

    I can give you more detailed and in depth advice when I get home, and offer you some build specs.

    @ne6togadno is master and chief at building to budgets, as is @BarbaricSoul
     
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    sometimes you find the price just has close, you may consider take the higher one
     
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    I see, so there would be no point in buying from the US?

    - A88XM-A = $78.40
    - A88XM-PLUS = $93 / £61

    - A10-5800K = $110 / £85.54
    - A10-7850K = $185 / £146.43

    I was under the impression that the A88XM-A board didn't support the FM2+ (from Amazon listing), but according to ASUS, it does.

    Also, what sort of performance advantages will I get from the 7850K w/ Radeon R7, as opposed to the 5800K w/ Radeon HD 7660D?
     
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    That is one hell of a compliment RCoon, Thank you. The same can be said about you as well. Now to read over the OP's post in more detail and put together a suggested build.
     
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    dylricho, two questions-

    Do you have any intentions of OC'ing?

    Why would you want to buy from a US etailer when you're in the UK?
     
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    Delivery will be either nonexistant, or will cost as much as the hardware. Plus UK Customs will charge you import tax on top of that. Buying anything new from the US in terms of computer hardware is a dangerous and expensive game when it comes to importing.

    A88X IS the FM2+ socket
     
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    No, I don't plan on overclocking, and I was going to purchase from the US, thinking it would be cheaper, seeing as the UK has terrible 20% VAT. I've never purchased from Amazon, which is why I wanted to ask.

    Okay, thank you. And in that case, ASUS should edit its Amazon listing.
     
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    Just noticed no DVD drive. Even though the Source 210 is the greatest budget PC Case ever, you might be able to save some money on a cheaper more basic case to fit the DVD drive into the budget. Would be nice to keep the Source 210 though.
     
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    Wow, that's great. I don't require Windows 7 as we have a copy of it at home. Two questions;
    1. Is the 400-watt PSU going to be sufficient? How many watts do you think this configuration would require on full power?
    2. Would this allow me to upgrade in the future, if I wanted a non-APU, for example?

    I've watched a couple of videos on YouTube, regarding Minecraft on its highest setting, with both the 5800K and 7850K, and both seem pretty solid;

    5800K - up to 90 fps without OptiFine and with Advanced OpenGL checked - 720p.
    7850K - up to 70 fps without OptiFine and Advanced OpenGL unchecked - 720p.

    However, the 7850K guy was recording with Fraps, and I'm aware that it affects performance of the game more than Bandicam, which is what I'll be using.
     
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    No Windows 7 means everything is within budget and you can get that DVD drive with no hassle with budget. As for performance, the 7850K performance in games is actually quite amazing. it plays a lot of modern titles at respectable settings.
    At full load, I don't think the system will go over 60-70% of that PSU usage, hardware is quite efficient these days. If you wanted to add a dedicated GPU to it, you might get away with a low end 240/250, but anything midrange/high end would need 450w/550w respectively.

    You can use this to calculate your required PSU wattage, it over compensates to keep you within a safe margin.
    http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

    I'm off home.
     
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    That's great. I don't suspect that I'll be needing an upgrade for some time though as gaming-wise, I only plan to use the machine to play Minecraft and GTA IV. My current machine can play Minecraft decently, assuming lowest rendering distance and not recording; furthermore the game is just about to require OpenGL 2.1, which means that my GMA X3100 will be out of it, which is the perfect time to get a new computer!

    In terms of Photoshop and video editing, what can I expect? I won't be doing any 3D CAD.
     
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    @RCoon - is a DVD drive really needed? I only use mine for watching movies these days. If the OP does want a DVD drive, they can add one to the build, or re-use one he/she already has.

    @dylricho- 400 watts is plenty. That system would probably be fine on 250 watts. I would guess no more than 200 watts maximum is the most it will pull. You can upgrade it's processor to any other processor that requires the FM2+ socket, but you can't put something like a FX8350 in it as that CPU requires a AM3+ socketed motherboard.
     
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    What model of Radeon R7 is used in the A10-7850K? I can't seem to find it anywhere. It's just listed as "Radeon R7."

    CPU-Z also reports it as 512 MB GDDR5 using 16 GB RAM, while Sandra says 2 GB DDR3. Is this correct?
     
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    its from sharing memory, have you checked your bios setting
     
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    taken from the 7850k review I posted earlier-

     
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    The APU will take memory from the RAM which is why higher speed is better for the APU graphics performance. I imagine from 8GB of RAM it might set aside up to 1GB for the gpu. From reviews the R7 240/250 seems to hybrid crossfire with the APU quite well. In terms of Photoshop, everything will run quite snappy. The best thing for Photoshop is RAM as it will use as much RAM as you can give it for layers and what not.
     
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    Why such an expensive case?
    or am I mistaken and your thinking about the NZXT Source 210 as mentioned by RCoon?
    Well anyway I would go for a Source 210 Elite.

    Here is the version you wanted with the A10-5800K:
    http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/340I9
    and here is the version others suggested with the A10-7850K:
    http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/340Ne
     
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