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Discussion in 'System Builder's Advice' started by Andynor91, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. theeldest

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    Not sure about your feelings on that specific case but it might help to get one that has good cooling as a standard feature.

    http://www.pcx.hu/termek/cooler-master-rc-932-kkn5-haf-932-fekete-szamitogep-haz-78985

    I just put the HAF 932 Advanced together for a friend's build and I like that case quite a bit. The 3x 240mm fans are quite silent (quieter than my noctuas in my Antec P183 actually) and move lots of air.

    It is big, though. But quite good looking. Might be an option?

    With the 932 Advanced you wouldn't need the fans.
     
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    phanbuey had some pretty good advice. Given the price comparison his recommendation will absolutely smoke the original specs in gaming.
     
  3. Irony

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    How about whether or not we should ignore the poor fellow who started this thread asking for advice and got 20 comments arguing about immaturity. I like that one.


    @the guy who started this thread: I would get a HAF case form CM. they have unprecedented ariflow.
     
  4. stargazer7 New Member

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    dont get the old TX...

    replace it with v2, the new one
     
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    http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Corsair-TX750W-Power-Supply-Review/505/8

    That PSU is fine lol. A PSU is like an escalator - its best when it just works and you dont notice it.

    Especially this part...:

    We were not only impressed by the fact that a power supply labeled as a 750 W product could deliver 900 W but also because it could maintain an efficiency over 80% under this circumstance. But, as we mentioned, we were not happy with the electric noise level.
     
  6. stargazer7 New Member

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    the old TX is weak by todays standarts. its a PSH. same thing as the toughpower 750. it starts to get high ripple above 750, and some samples dont even push their rated power. they're a bad choice. the v2 is a relabeled seasonic M12. its much better than your suggestion
     
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    The proposed build in Andy's recent post will be lucky to reach 600W Peak.
     
  8. stargazer7 New Member

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    it doesnt matter. its still a weak psu. for the same price, he can get a Chieftec, which is a DSG or PSH2.

    "we were not happy with the electric noise level"
     
  9. phanbuey

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    On topic: Who cares? If he can get better for the same price, then all the more power to him. Its all about the $$.

    My suggestion would work - which is what the goal was. As long as the price stays the same get a better model - I just dont want you suggesting overpriced gtx570's again because they have nice fans :roll:

    Off topic: your facts seem wrong.

    What changed?

    The platforms have switched on the TX850, TX750, and TX650. Probably the most significant change is on the TX650, which went from being a Seasonic S12-based unit to a CWT PSH II unit, and received an upgrade from a 120mm fan to a 140mm fan. This is the most noticeable of the changes. The 750 and 850 have also been upgraded from the older PSH units to the PSH II.



    Why did you do that?

    Honestly, one of the major reasons for the change was because you guys are buying tons of TX series PSUs and we wanted to make sure we had inventory to meet that demand. The old platform was not as efficient to manufacture, and while it’s still rock solid, we felt that updating it a bit couldn’t hurt and wouldn’t offend anybody.



    How do the new parts perform?

    The PSH II offers a few benefits over the older platforms, one of which is increased efficiency. While the older platforms were standard 80Plus efficiency, the new platforms are borderline 80Plus Bronze. Also, they have slightly tighter ripple/noise, and voltage regulation. The audible noise levels should be about the same, as should the overall build quality and lifetime of the products. They are still rated at 50C and come with Corsair’s 5 year warranty.
     
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    Exactly my point. And you are saying it won't push past the specs it is rated for!?
     
  11. stargazer7 New Member

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    the tx850v2 is not made by CWT. its a seasonic unit.

    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/TX750_V2/4.html

    they made a lot of psh's and are still trying to clear stock. those units were only good back in 2006. not only PSH2 is improved, but DSG is superior. this is a PSH

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    and this one's a DSG

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    my facts arent wrong, you dont know what you're on about. also didnt suggest him reference 570s. i suggested 570 pe's with TF3 along with a better case. so it would have made a difference, but not because of cooling. because 570 SLI is more than enough for games
     
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    So your argument is: He should pay more for cards with custom coolers because 570SLI is, in your opinion, more than enough for games? :D

    Here is my suggestion - you know your stuff... no doubt.

    Get him the best bang for his buck, and stop f(*(*ing around. There is no reason for this thread to be 112 Posts
     
  13. stargazer7 New Member

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    its common logic, not my opinion. its a personal choice. he can either get beefed up cards (tf3 is non ref) with better cooling, or reference boards with more performance. i can't answer it
     
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    I did some research on the leadtek 580gtx and seems like quite a bit of people have problems with the cooler and that it cools really bad. It's also ridiculously lower priced compared to the other 580gtx brands so it makes me question the quality a bit. I'm a bit worried if I get a faulty card or a lower quality card.

    I found this 6990 for 838$: VTX3D VX6990 4GBD5-M4D 4GB GDDR5 PCIE (any good in regards to brand, reference/non reference etc)? The 2x 580gtx will be 1165$, which means a 327$ price difference. I'd also not have to worry about the crossfire problems ati has, right?

    Or the ASUS ENGTX590/3DIS/3GD5 PCIE that I found for 955$. price difference between gtx 590 and gtx 580's is then 210$.


    I found this benchmark of bad company 2 that ran on 1920x1200 (resolution I'll be running at) that says an overclocked 6990 will only be 15 fps slower than 2x 580gtx; so is it really worth the 327$ price bump? Seems to me that the 6990 is crazy much bang for buck. The config will then be at 2025$.
    The config with the gtx 590 will be 2143$. This is much closer to my budget as well.


    Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-V PRO
    CPU: 1x Intel Core i5-2500K
    GPU: 1x VTX3D VX6990 4GBD5-M4D 4GB GDDR5 PCIE
    PSU: 1x Corsair 750W TX V2
    RAM: 1x KINGSTON 8192MB HyperX DDR3 1600MHz
    HDD: 2x Western Digital 500GB SATAIII 7200RPM 32MB WD5002AALX
    Case: 1x COOLERMASTER RC-932-KKN5
    DVD-ROM Read/write: 1x Samsung SH-S222AB
    CPU Cooler: 1x Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus

    benchmark: http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/...illes/Battlefield-Bad-Company-2_Benchmark.jpg

    Edit: would be nice if the system ran somewhat silent as well, though it's not really a big must if the 6990 is much bang for buck.
     
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    Is that for one?


    I would Crossfire 2 single GPU 6950s or 6970s if you can afford em.
     
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    the Leadtek is a reference card, its no different than any other 580. reference cards are all exact same. only difference is in the sticker... Leadtek is also a premium nvidia brand. you can get em, but if you dont want, then you can up to TF3 PEs for better looks or cooling etc. best off, i'd try to find a pair of reference 6970's. sorry, i cant browse the Hungarian site

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    you dont want a dual GPU card.... its going to be worse in thermals, reliability and so
     
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    Cheapest version of possible combos (not surea bout which ones are references/non-reference):

    2x SAPPHIRE 11188-09-20G HD6950 1GB GDDR5 PCIE - 615$ (total config 1777$)
    2x VTX3D VX6950 2GBD5-2DH PCIE - 643$ (total config 1805$)
    2x VTX3D VX6970 2GBD5-2DH PCIE - 844$ (total config 2024$)
    2x MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr II 1280MB GDDR5 PCIE (total config 1959$)
    2x LEADTEK GTX580 1536MB GDDR5 PCIE - 1165$ (total config 2327$)

    So, best bang for buck?
     
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    aww... those AMD's are all cheap non ref. it'd have been great if you had a reference 6900 in there. those scale better, have digital PWMs... from those, Leadteks are your best bet. TF2s are reference 570 so weak vrm.
     
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    Got the list with the 6950 and 6970 cards below.
    At the right where it stands TERMÉK LISTA RENDEZÉSE: you'll have to choose Ár szerint csökkenő to get the prices from highest to lowest. The price is to the furthest right of the card name in the listings. Appreciate you helping me out here :)

    Which one of these is the cheapest reference 6970? http://konyv.ipon.hu/?searchthis=6970&where=shop

    And which one of these is the cheapest 6950? http://konyv.ipon.hu/?searchthis=6950&where=shop
     
  20. stargazer7 New Member

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    these two are the only reference. luckily, you got a 6970 and a 50!

    http://konyv.ipon.hu/webshop/product/_asus_eah6970_2di2s_2gd5_pcie/168730

    http://konyv.ipon.hu/webshop/product/_msi_r6950_2pm2d2gd5_2gb_gddr5_pcie/170060

    the 6970 is my card of choice. i've both a 6970 and a 580. the 6970 pulls less power, was cheaper and goes on. nvidia has better drivers specifically with SLI but amd scales higher. as a single card, 580 is stronger however amd makes up for difference from scaling. its built better. its a better card than the 580 on hardware really. but if you cant afford, you can get 6950s aswell. they're the same as 6970s. just with disabled shaders so a little worse performance. chances are they'll unlock to 6970s. but thats a risk.
     
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    It's for one, yeah (hungary is taxed to hell compared to the US)
     
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    Updated list:

    2x MSI R6950-2PM2D2GD5 2GB GDDR5 PCIE - 754$ (total config 1917$)
    2x ASUS EAH6970/2DI2S/2GD5 PCIE - 916$ (total config 2075$)
    2x MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr II 1280MB GDDR5 PCIE (total config 1959$)
    2x LEADTEK GTX580 1536MB GDDR5 PCIE - 1165$ (total config 2327$)

    So 2 of those asus 6970's are the most bang for buck?

    Build:
    CPU: 1x Intel Core i5-2500K
    GPU: x ?
    PSU: 1x Corsair 750W TX V2
    RAM: 1x Corsair KINGSTON 8192MB HyperX DDR3 1600MHz
    HDD: 2x Western Digital 500GB SATAIII 7200RPM 32MB WD5002AALX
    Case: 1x COOLERMASTER RC-932-KKN5
    DVD-ROM Read/write: 1x Samsung SH-S222AB
    CPU Cooler: 1x Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
     
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    no, they arent "the" most bang for buck. but they come with more rops means unlocked performance along. you can unlock 6950s with a little risk and they're better price&performance. :)
     
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    A little being? I'm not sure if I'd like to risk my cards, hehe.
     
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    heh well if it doesnt unlock, you'll brick your card. you can flash it back to recover. if it does, theres a high change it'll work all along. but there still is a change of screw up. after you unlock, card may give up after some few years if you prefer to keep em for long. your call chief.
     

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