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Should I Build an AM3+ or FM2+ Machine?

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  1. Aithos

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    If you're dead set on going with AMD I'd get the 8350, it's the only CPU in their lineup that's even worth considering for price/performance and it still loses handily to the less expensive CPUs in Intel's lineup (the i5-4670k especially). If you're not completely dead set on AMD I'd look at the afformentioned Intel i5-4670k. For gaming, daily tasks, OS it will outperform the 8350 handily and it still does ok for hobby video editing and similar tasks. However, if you're going to do a lot of video editing, software development using virtual machines or 3d modeling it won't do very well in those tasks. You'd have to look at the 4770k or make a huge jump to the Ivy-E and at that point the 8350 will be a better deal if you're on a budget.
     
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    But I play games fully maxed out on 1440p with a secondary monitor, all on a 750K :) CPU isn't everything nowadays. Unless, as you said, video editing and VM's is your game.

    Also if you ask btarunr, our news editor, he found Windows felt much snappier on an 8350.
     
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    No, CPU isn't everything, it just depends what tasks you spend most of your time on. An 8350 and a 4670k are pretty similarly priced, I was just offering an opinion. I also don't put much stock in subjective opinions like "it felt much snappier". Most of the reviews I've seen said that the Intel chips were more responsive for OS and daily use, but honestly for Windows...any CPU will do fine. You don't buy a CPU for desktop performance or Microsoft Office. You buy it for games, for video editing, for software development or for graphics work. The tasks where the CPU will actually make "some" difference.

    I'm not saying an 8350 is a bad CPU, it's not. It's a perfectly capable CPU. I just believe that if you're going to do a certain type of task as your primary use you should consider what will do the best for that task in your budget and buy that. Doesn't matter if it's Intel or AMD, do what works best within your budget. I was only offering an alternative, not trying to start a fight.
     
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    Me neither, just encouraging some good old debate for the sake of the OP :)
     
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    I voted FM2 because the socket may continue to be relevant longer. I believe however that we may see more silicon refinements on the FX if they are able to sell the 9590 at $300 and still have inventory. Maybe the FX 9590 will fall further in price..? P4 did the same thing: It sucked architecturally but they got good clock rates at the expense of life and heat and power.

    I personally like AMD and to offset their weak CPU trends I buy their graphics cards. I always bought AMD before my Ivy and Sandy rigs. I just think that 5 years from now my ivy and sandy will be very much relevant except power hungry compared to whatever intel then offers. AMD will probably just be reaching Intel's 2013 Haswell IPC at that point.

    This is all just speculation but AMD once had amazing IPC compared to Intel, its just the entire module line up is such a failure from the prior K10 architecture. I wish they had done a die shrink and mounted two k10 cores like a core 2 quad. We'd have Phenom II with 8 cores and 8 threads and 12 cores and 12 threads maybe (with insane power requirements).

    AMD needs to survive in its server and workstation markets, the gaming market is secondary! Therefore we have bulldozer modules.
     
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    If your going for the ultimate AMD build which it looks like you are then get the FX 9590(Plan to get one eventually) it cost as much as a 4770K is barely slower in single threaded tasks, equal in multi threaded, destroys it in video encoding, and according to HWbot is capable of 5.3Ghz on air cooling long enough to run Cinebench. For a motherboard I recommend either the ASUS 990FX Sabertooth(better for air/water cooling) or a Crosshair V formula-z(better with Ocing ram and LN2/DICE cooling). The extreme 9 looks good on paper but I for one despise Asrock's UEFI BIOS.
     
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    The Op hasn't won the lottery or he would have said but weva fx 9590 btw is a toolish suggestion at twice the price of 8350 for not much more powers 8350 6300 are the choice selects.

    Intel ass hats go check the mantle dice video wherein the guy states that when subjectively tested in game with mantle an *8350 is on Par with a 4770k even beating it at times, its interesting how proper api's and none biased compilers work imho, the futures bright but its red not blue and yall will see ;).
     
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    Lets not turn my thread into flame bait please-yalls suggestions are welcome however- im going for an Amd rig. By the way Asrocks uefi i found very easy to use so that doesnt bother me.

    Only aversion i have to sabertooth is the plastic cover (prefer my boards naked), and the bad past ive had with Asus. I can go with a 9590 for ultimate use but i think a 8350bwill suffice. What yall think of the 4350? By the way if i get a ref 280x, 290, 290 x i can always get a better fansink for it.
     
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    I ran an FX-6200 before the 8350 and found the full 8 core chip to be a much better experience but as always YMMV
     
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    I am sure it was asked somewhere in this thread so I am sorry if you have answered it once but I am curious, not for trolling or flaming purposes either but sole curiosity, cost for this build? When I build my desktop a few years ago (4 or 5) I made it an AMD rig. Nothing fancy. 6GB of memory, basic motherboard, Phenom II quad core, 1GB zotac video card..can't remember the model. >.<. I remember the build costing me something around $700 or so. I wish I knew then as much as I know now because I had bought a board that only supported up to DDR2 memory haha. So I am curious, cost on this one? I still kinda wanna make another rig even though I just sold the one mentioned lol
     
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    The 990FX one doesn't have the plastic cover. The 4350/4300 have lower IPC than an A10 6800k so avoid them. The A10 is half the multi threaded performance of an FX8350 and a 6300/6350 is 2/3 of an 8350's multi threaded performance they all OC progressively better with HWbot averages being: 6300 (4.8Ghz air) 6350 (Too little data but guessing 4.9Ghz) 8320 (4.675Ghz) 8350(4.72Ghz) A10 6800K(4.95Ghz) Athlon X4 760K(5.03Ghz) 9370(5.28Ghz) 9590(5.25Ghz). Higher HWbot average = better OCing capability and higher single threaded speeds. So if you like to OC you should get either the A10, , 6300, 6350, 9370 or 9590. If you get the A10 or the 760K you have more form factor(ATX mATX and ITX) options, good single threaded performance and lower power requirements. If you go for the 6300, 6350 or 8350 you have fewer form factor options less OCing more power draw but better multi threaded performance(useful if you live stream gameplay or have loads of applications running). Now because you want a gaming rig I recommend the A10 the 760K or the FX6300. From those I suggest choosing by form factor.
     
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    ok im not building a small system but a big one, motherboard will be atleast ATX size if not larger, I wonder if the 8300 is a good chip itself

    also to look at cost of this build, i can go to newegg, frys, directron, tigerdirect, microcenter (only newegg isnt local to houston- rest are),

    I will be piecing the build together- i know its slower to do it this way but i gotta balance how much i spend per check.

    Also depending on what country you live in parts pricing will be different.
     
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    everything looks fine, but i just dont see the point in a 990fx extreme 6! for gaming the 4 will do just fine.
    and keep a six core 6300, that is enough for gaming as well.\

    i have had a bad past with asus as well so i am now an Asrocker.... hasnt disappointed me in the last 10 months....
     
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    I used to run an 8350 and a delidded 3570K side by side in two rigs, and both overclocked, they ran about the same performance to the eye, particularly in games. The 8350 is more than capable, and the 9xxx is just a well binned overclocked 8350. Not my cup of tea, I prefer to do the dirty work myself. I should imagine if you use the ASRock Extreme4 as a baseline, any motherboard within it's price range or above (e.g. MSI GD series, Gigabyte UD series, Asus series), they will all perform admirably. I dont think you can much go wrong in honesty, paired with some CL9 1600mhz RAM sticks and a nice big-dick GPU, you'll be happy with performance for a good 2 years.
     
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    i may take fm2+. since am3+ era will end
    and for board it returns to your need. what do you need? oc capability, features? sata ports etc
    but if you buy higher level is ok as long as your wallet can afford it

    and yeah, asus has higher price and if you need better price and feature asrock is good
     
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    I don't know exactly why but FX 6300 seems a great option for the majority and if that's the case then 8320 / 8350 is more than sufficient. I know from experience that even 2009 quad cores like Q9xxx series and Phenom II X4 OC'ed to around 4GHz are usually capable to feed modern graphic cards.
     
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    as i have a ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 and i had also a 970 Extreme 3 im really satisfied with them (i got a lot of Asus board as well but luckily i never had any problems with them) if we except some cost reducing non sense (like the paper thin PCB on the Z77) it's a pretty good brand.

    the second thing i could be a bit disappointed in (but that's really minor) is the non standard ATX format they are narrower (dunno for other boards above Extreme 4) and in a XL-ATX capable case like my In Win Grone it give a little weird look.

    for the OP if he want and can afford a 8320/50 no point of recommending him to limit himself to a 6300.

    Talking about 9590 what 990FX board can handle it ? my favorit Etailer has it quite cheap atm (well less than a 3770K/4770K at last) and the 9370 even cheaper (no difference between except the base clock and turbo, right?)
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    ohoh it seems that the 990FX Extreme 9 can support the 9590
    http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/990FX Extreme9/index.fr.asp
     
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    I believe in a fairly recent news article one of the MSI boards was stated as having 9590 support. In reality, most 990FX $160+ boards will likely support it.
     
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    also if not answered already for TIM : Arctic(cooling) MX-4 best price/perf ratio and quite good ranked in many review, but i don't know for the availability

    alternatively : Gelid GC extreme/Prolimatech PK-(1-3) Nano/Thermalright Chill Factor 2 (3 is already out?) bundled with TR cooler

    the Macho come with a small satchel of 2g which is enough but my IFX-14, the silver arrow ancestor came with a full 4g syringe of Chill Factor(1st serie) humpf i bet it's because they give you a nice screwdriver with, that they reduce the TIM quantity :roll:

    paaahhhhahahah my etailer has a bundle of a Sabertooth 990FX R2 with a 8350 for the price of a 9590+ 50chf :roll:
     
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    Here's my final suggestion based on what a friend of mine has.
    Mobo: Gigabyte 970 UD3(the grey one not the blue one) or the ASUS Sabertooth 990FX(it doesn't have a plastic cover)
    CPU: FX-6300
    Cooler: Depends on if you OC
    RAM: 8GB 1600 9-9-9-24 or better
    GPU: R9 290 with non reference cooling of your choice
    PSU: 600-750W Corsair / XFX / Seasonic / Antec / NZXT.
    Case: your choice
    HDD: your choice
     
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    I was talking about let's say...newegg and ordering from the U.S. Have never tried those other sites but may give them a look! :D
     
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    I agree just either go with the Kaveri at cheapest, although find some like a 750k Athlon x4, unless you really want that iGPU. Then 6300 w/ a cheaper mobo, or the 8320/50 w/ the Extreme 9.
     
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    Sorry i havent been around, i had a bday the 21st n had to work that day too its 12:17 am next day n im sloshed with my girlfriend. Thx for the suggestions. I may go witha 8300 or even the top amd cpu. The motherboard, extreme 9 or sabertooth 2.0. 290 or 290x. 16gb low latency ram. Soundcard
     
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    I dont necessarily need an APU because I will have atleast a 280X in the machine, Also to answer a few questions, this machine will be built for gaming and overclocking at later time, but im looking at parts that guarantee a decent oc potential (it is what it is)
     

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