Discussion in 'System Builder's Advice' started by eidairaman1, Dec 18, 2013.
Heatpipe Direct Touch- the heatpipes make direct contact with the chip
true that indeed ... on my A10-5800K the best cooler i had (in the Node 304) was a CM Hyper TX3 Evo with 2 92mm fan and it was a HDT type
I'd recommend a board with a lot of power phases for AMD these days. I'd also do an 8320. The R9 290 is the way to go for graphics. 280x is too old tech.
pssshhhh a 280X still blast a 770 out of the water ... well not really but dreaming doesn't hurt ... oh wait a 770 is a 680 it's soooo 2012 (joking btw)
also funny fact : if i would take a ASRock Fatal1ty Killer + a FX9370, at my local shop, it would cost less than the price of my E3-1275v2 (if brought new ofc) and with a FX9590 it would be a little bit more ... huhuhu a Mobo + a CPU for the price of a CPU alone, and some dare to say that AMD has nothing to offer?
im just trying to be careful as what i select, it be nice if tech reviewers would test the top end from both chip makers instead of just doing 1 or the other
P.S.> Don't believe the #'s on the Spire Thermax Eclipse II- I tried one and all I had was problems/mounting setup is horrible
i hate Spire brand ... that's all ...
thermal past : Spire BlueFrost : Spire BlueWorst and price/quantity ratio c'mon 4.5chf for 0.5g while the Arctic(cooling) MX-4 is 11chf for 4g ... (and by far the best i had and recommended by many )
PSU: Spire 550w "idontrememberitprecisely" : popcap fiesta at 4th start with no oc just factory setting
Cooler: Thermax Eclipse II : horrible mounting is a understatement... also almost fried a cpu due to a gap between base and chip... thanks throttling and OHS
well i recommended the Ashura to ypoora1 and he has a 8320 and he's quite satisfied ... but the price in the list you provided is horrible ... i get it for less than 65$ where i am that's just .... so disgusting ... but commercially correct ... well the Macho is also a good one, i used it on a 4.1ghz PHII X4 955 (125w)
this is going to be fun finding the ideal cooler that doesnt block anything...
you allready have 3 of them ... Macho Ashura Heligon and as i said take the cheaper of those 3 ... or just take the Xigmatek Dark Knight and do as Norton says ... while i know the Macho and Heligon because i tested it i have a feedback on the Ashura from ypoora1, i also tested the Thermalright IFX-14 and some from Cooler Master (hyper TX3/V8/V8S) for AIO WC i tested the H60 single H70 dual and H100 CM Seidon 120M/XL. i can't provide number but i can say which one was good or not... and i tested it with a good OC i7-920 (from 2.6 to 4.4ghz) even if its not a 8320/50 it surely spew more watts and heats/ i can also give a feedback on a PHII X4 955 125w OC from 3.1 to 4.1
Ill just have to do the selection scientifically.
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.
ill give one of those parts a shot- most likely the Ashura or Macho Series, if not ill trade it for a Xig
Just go with Xigmatek Dark Knight or S1283 (I think that is what I have on another rig), slap 2 x 120mm quiet fans and you are good for 4.4 atleast. I have Silenx 4 pipe cooler with a single SilenX Extreme fan on my 8320 OCed to 4 Ghz daily use @ 1.36v and during gaming my max core temps never go over 48C.
it make sense since it's also the cheaper of the list (funny tho where i live Xigmatek has a "cheap" brand image, and not only for the price ) price to price i guess im more lucky than i thought .... not only the Ashura is cheaper where i am but also the Macho Heligon and Genesis.
for the mobo its funny but i would rather take the ASRock 990FX Fatal1ty killer at 134.90 than the Sabertooth at 184.49 or the Extreme 9 at 189.99, if it has 8+2 powerphase like the Sabertooth, then near 50$ less make it better + the ALC1150 onboard sound is also a + and the OP could even test it before thinking of buying a dedicated soundcard (never read of the brands and model he state ... ) for gaming even the cheapest creative card is enough ... the rest is just pure marketing over a debatable argument.
Ok Ill be going with the Rosewill Thor V2 White Case, Enermax Platinum 1000 series PSU, Asus (thought Id never own an Asus again) TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2.0, GSkill Ripjaws Z 2133MHz 16GB (Why not) AMD 8350, Scythe Ashura (spacing) HT Omega Claro Halo(less Creative or another company has a better sound card) 840 Evo 250GB, 600 GB Raptor, Windows 7 64 Bit Professional, Cherry MX Brown Keyboard(Razer Blackwidow or Corsair/Coolermaster), G500S or Roccat Kone XTD (latest Kone), 290 From Sapphire or MSI (whichever can be OCd like Mad)
so you take a near 200$ soundcard that has virtually no advantage for the standard user over any 100$ and less creative card? (or a onboard codec like the ALC1150)
ohhh i see it's a plain PCI card, that explain the price... wait, what???
mouse G500S hands down (2nd time)
keyboard: corsair or CM, if it were me i would stay away from Razer (personal epxeriences) it is either they fail or they are too expensive for what they are, but they have a good design ... but if design mattered more than the price ... i would have a Mac.
Get an 8320 unless you want to throw money away, same thing as the 8350. Mobo is more important, you want a lot of power phase. Sabertooth will be okay though. I don't think the 8350 is any better binned then the 8320 so its a waste.
Sound cards are usually a waste nowadays. I'd skip it and see if the onboard is good enough for you first before buying.
I'd get a WD Caviar black with the newer controller over a velociraptor. Better HD overall.
No complaints otherwise. Sabertooth you are paying for looks, usually they have a deluxe model asus that has same features without the cheap plastic cover. Its stil a good mobo though.
Onboard audio is crap, look at Creative Sound Blaster ZxR. As for GPU, with your setup, why not 290x non-ref? would be "best in slot", besides, gpu is main hardware for gaming, yes its kinda pricey but i dont see any reason to count few dollars when you can get the best in market gpu.
onboard audio is fin, crap is a overstatement. for a gamer.
for the end sentence if he would get the best in market GPU he would get a GTX780Ti why pay a extra for a 290X and get what you can achieve free on a 290...
Because a 290 OC'ed to 290x speeds is equal in performance. Plus, IIRC from reviews, both cards OC to about the same levels. In TPU's reviews of the 290 and 290x, there was only a 1 fps difference between the two cards in BF3 when OC'ed. Why would anyone knowing this buy a 290x for $100 more than the 290?
what???))) Are you serious?? Wtf you mean you can`t overclock 290x?! its sounds like "I jumped from the bridge - I am a bird". 100$ And you are GPU KING! This is not just 15% performance or more, this is The BIGGEST 15% of all 15% that you can gain from overclocking any GPU!
Besides, 290 is hotter, for silence purposes additional 100$ is nothing.Anyway you can try to justify 290 vs 290x, to the point, when OP will tell us about his budget.
onboard audio is crap it's undisputed, even for a gamer.
I don't mind onboard, I run it through a 2 channel setup with no filters and it sounds as good as any other DAC. Then again I have tinnitus.
Only reason for a sound card is to get better surround sound I guess.
my setup is a lexicon dc1 prepro, behringer ep1500, two infinity rs bookshelves
Maybe you didn't notice that BOTH CARDS were OC'ed, and after BOTH CARDS are OC'ed, there is only 1 fps difference between the two cards. 1 fps is not worth $100. Also, how is the 290 the hotter of the two when they both have the EXACT SAME HEATSINK
BTW, the 290x is not the single GPU king. That title belongs to the OC'ed GTX 780ti cards.
So how many more times am I going to make you look like you don't know what your talking about? You make it so easy.
i use a 5.1 on a ALC898 i plan eventually on a SB Recon3D for the µATX mobo i will have later (intel board intel HD 3channel so mostly not enough)
the onboard was crap in 1999 to 2005 but huge progress have been made and the new ALC1150 is reviewed as damn good by many specialized press and site, ofc its not worth a good soundcard but a 199.95$ card is not worth it, the SB Z and even the Recon3D are enough and are sub 100$ i also linked a SB Z with EMI shielding which is the same as the one at 79$ but cost 119$~
your opinion is not wrong either but don't say "onboard is crap" when you can say "I find the onboard crappy at my own taste"
exactly my point.
also i took a R9-270 instead of a R9-270X for the same reason, the MSI R9-270 Gaming OC is 20$ more than the stock for 5% perf more (20 for 5 i rather prefer that than 100 for 15) and its 5-10% under the R9-270X stock but even the 270 can be oc'ed and even a bit above the 270X or on par with the 270X potential.
186chf for the 270 or 276 for the 270X (both MSI) 90chf difference for 10% perf increase? not worth it.
I rather like my chvf it doesn't seem to have an issue running 2133 ram with my 9370@5ghz been running that fir what almost a year now. Lan ports are all fine as well.
Heard good things about Gigabyte's 990FX board when I last looked.
Recently built a new machine replacing my ancient pentium 4 skt 775.
Got an AMD 8350-FX and a Gigabyte board the ga-990fxa-ud3 revision 4 and a few donor parts from my best buds haha.
For ram I suggest you look for a good cl 9 - 1600mhz one. Going higher seems to have no noticeable gains (depends on what you want to do or need it for rather)
So far the board is doin fairly nice has a mix of features for old and new and not that expensive
But yea my initial target was that Sabertooth R2, but when I had the chance to buy it was out of stock.
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