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  1. DarkMatter New Member

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    Well that's something hard to ensure. In general the faster the CPU the faster your aplications will work, but IMO it's hard to say which is the hot spot, just spend the amount you feel fair between $150-$300. TBH you can't beat the Q6600 in price/performance, but up to $300 you probably get what you pay for, I dunno really. I did decided to go with the Q6600 myself recently, if that helps you.

    When it comes to gaming is even more difficult, but apparently none of the announced games look like they will be more demanding than Crysis (they lack it's features and fidelity), at least if they are properly optimized, so probably anything that runs Crysis at the settings you desire will probably play well any game at least until the end of 2009. That includes the GTX260 and HD4870 IMHO.

    All in all you are going to buy in one of the better (yet highly convoluted) times in the history of PCs. Never in history you were able to buy so much for so few. And even though faster parts can be released soon (as always happens) whatever you buy now won't get outdated anytime soon, providing it's fast enogh for today standards.
     
  2. Gary_Coleman New Member

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    ^^ exactly, thanks for your help. Here is what I put together so far: How does this sound-

    - ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model DRW-2014S1T - OEM

    - COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

    - Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

    - ZOTAC ZT-X26E3KB-FCP GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

    - CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX 620W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

    - G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B - Retail

    - ASUS P5E LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

    So far thats about $600 cheaper than the cyberpower pc and seems alot better imo.

    What is a good operating system, im trying to stay away from vista, I heard something about 64-bit xp....is that any good?
     
  3. mlee49

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    The build looks good! If you plan to upgrade to a second GPU then I would up the PSU to a cool 750 or higher.
    As for Vista the general feedback is that SP1 is stable and will run smoothly on your setup. As for the average user with under 2GB ram, upgrading to a ram hog OS is just silly. Your 64 bit should be awesome.
     
  4. DarkMatter New Member

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    Perfect.

    Regarding the OS, as much as I hate Vista's GUI and as much as I hesitate to upgrade my own PCs (basically and exclusively because I already have a good OS and I fail to see Vista as a worthy upgrade), I would recomend you to use Vista 64 in your case: a completely new rig. Everything you probably heard about Vista has been worked out, so it's not a matter of performance or compatibility anymore. In fact AFAIK XP 64 is much worse in that respect. Ask other people around, as I don't have experience with neither of them 64 bit OS.

    Hmm one more thing, make sure you get a good cooler for the CPU, as the stock one is very loud and doesn't really cool as well as aftermarket ones.
     
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  5. Katanai

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    Drop that x38 board like DarkMatter said and get a P45 one. Something like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358

    And also if gaming at max settings is your main concern, forget that q6600 and get this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115054&Tpk=e8600 It will obliterate that quad in any game.

    As for the Video Card you want the 216 processing cores version. Like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130400

    If you base your systems around what I just wrote you will have the best gaming system possible without throwing money away...
     
  6. mlee49

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    Reason #1 to go with 64 bit Vista

    DirectX 10 just google the huge differences between dx9 and dx10(even 10.1). Great improvement.

    Reason #2 utilize all 4GB of you memory
    Reason #3 it's been out for some time and the real bugs have been addressed in SP1
     
  7. Gary_Coleman New Member

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    wow, i think you just sold me on those.

    Ok, so vista 64 bit for sure.
     
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    He mentioned editing so a Quad might be of help, although editing is a very general concept, TBH. Anyway a Q6600 can run any game perfectly. You would get more frames with that dualie, yep, but always above the discernible framerate, provided you have enough GPU power of course. We are talking about gaming and having an overall fast PC, not benchmarking. Anyway if finally going with a dual core, get the E8500 hands down, instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036

    Maybe I got lost in the retail code while I searched it in Newegg, but isn't the one he listed the 650Mhz 216SP one? I think it is and at a very good price I must say. Zotac is a superb brand nowadays, so go ahead.

    And yep, I still think a P45 board is the way to go, but I didn't want to insist. Maybe that X38 board has something he needs or likes...
     
  9. Gary_Coleman New Member

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    OK...lol.....updated list...All of these components listed should work together correct? I doubled checked but just want to be 100% sure.

    - ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model DRW-2014S1T - OEM

    - COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

    - Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

    - EVGA 896-P3-1267-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Edition 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

    - Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series 70SB088600007 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card - Retail

    - CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

    - G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B - Retail

    - Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD for System Builders - OEM

    - GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

    - Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Wolfdale 3.33GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8600 - Retail

    That should be it. Sounds pretty damn good to me. Sooner or later will upgrade to 2 GPU's but i think that one is better than my 2 Geforce 6800 extremes that I was previously running.

    Any other suggestions/ input?

    p.s. thanks a million for all the help so far, it means alot.
     
  10. Gary_Coleman New Member

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    ...hmmmmm.....im up against the wall on my CPUs now. As far as editing its mostly photoshop, Maya, 3d studio max and aftereffects so nothing tooooo crazy but i still would like th power.
     
  11. DarkMatter New Member

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    Eh, yes, as I edited above. Get the E8500 instead of the E8600, really. $189 and it's only 0,17 Ghz slower. That's only 5% slower for 30% less money.

    EDIT: In any rendering task a Quad is much faster, it just depends on where you want to have the performance edge, games or rendering.
     
  12. mlee49

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    The P45 boards support just as good as a x38 board even close to a x48 board. I went with the Asus P5Q-E, I'm not to confident on the Gigabyte but thats my personal thoughts.

    I was debating a DFI P45 board or my ASUS P5Q-E

    As for the Dual vs Quad core debate, the (high end) Dual cores support most games better than the Quads. As for heavy multitasking the Quads handle it a bit better. Just depends on what your main use will be for, Gaming or Editing.
     
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    P5Q-E FTW! :rockout: :D
     
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    Sweet! So far you me and Tiger are the peeps I know with this bad boy. I'll be joining the P45 overclocking thread soon! :toast:

    edit: I see we have the same ram :D Have you hit 2000MHz yet? I can't seem to push further than 1990.
     
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    The reviews on this board arnt too promising......whats up with that?
     
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    LOL. It's been so hot this months here, and I've loved Six Engine so much (complete silence, no heat output :respect:), that I'm running the PC underclocked most of the time. OCing the CPU won't let me use Six Engine, so I haven't OCed it seriously yet, and honestly I don't know if I will anytime soon.

    I just did a quick OC to test how temperatures rised and perform some quick benchmarks. I put the CPU to around 3,2 Ghz, so that must be a mere 1450 Mhz. That was with the stock 5-5-5-15 timings though, fairly good no?
    I don't have any recent OCing experience anyway (Core2, DDR2 are new to me in the practice), I'm out of the bussiness since my last PC (Athlon X2). Stock clocks satisfy me enough for the most part and I have enough with the "software" overclock possible with Six Engine (up to 25%), which is not bad really considering the advantages of Six Engine. And why not admit it, I don't enjoy it so much nowadays, I'm aging you know (25 years), and I prefer doing other things.
     
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    Easy putting faith into Newegg reviewers, we have a thread dedicated to them.
     
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    oh i see....Well im putting faith into you. Dont make me have to start a thread about you now :nutkick:
     
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    Ok well these are only my suggestions so take them for what their worth.

    My asus build went together smoothly and I have no question about the stability of my setup(even overclock).

    But please don't purchase whole heartedly on my opinion, there are many other members here that can support the P45 Asus boards can handle business.
     
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    You take that back about the 4870x2. I run an avg of 38 fps on enthusiast/very high settings on a 22" 1680x1050! >:O The card bought me a lot. Go for a motherboard that supports the peripherals you want. Which ones support the kind of ram would you like? DDR2 is inexpensive/plenty powerful & DDR3 prices will drop in 2 months significantly. How many SATA connectors would you like and where would you like them to be positioned? Which processor family would you prefer? I'm an intel man but AMD makes a fine quad. Speaking of preference the guy I'm quoting obviously likes NVidia and I do too; I do however buy things I believe will shape the industry. Not trying to force myself on you but what I want to say is to a system builder $1700 is more than enough money to splurge on high end parts, but be sure it's what you want.

    We can all agree: a gamer will want a dual or quad with a high clock, someone who encodes a lot of video will need a quad core, some DDR2 memory beats the hell out of low end DDR3, if you're not going to overclock then you won't need a motherboard that makes it easier, a good 600-750W PSU will carry you through some pretty awesome builds, a GTX280 or 4870x2 will spank the crap out of Crysis and future titles while a GTX260/4870 will spank them gently, and lastly don't use stock CPU heatsinks because it kills puppies.

    If I've missed anything or said something you guys don't agree with please correct me, but I feel this is a pretty solid assessment. Good luck buddy! Building PCs has been the best hobby I've ever had.

    Edit: I agree with the quotee that if you go with a motherboard then either go for either a P45 if you want to use only one video card or go for an x48 if you intend to go for crossfire. 7xxi series if you want SLI/NVidia chipset.
     
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    lol I know. But thanks alot for your input, I should be putting this thing together within the next month or so.

    Before anything tho, this set up will all work together correct? ram, mobo, gpu, audio card etc.. I just want to double check..
     
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    I'll take my Q6600 over an E8500/E8600 anyday...even for gaming. Overclock it to a cool 3.6ghz and it'll smoke anything :)
     
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    First of all that q6600 you guys are pushing is worthless for him without an overclock. At 2.4Ghz it's almost 1Ghz slower than the e8600. 1Ghz is nothing to throw away. Second of all it's getting really old. I don't see why you would want to buy a 65nm CPU nowadays as 45nm based Penryns have been proved to be faster. That Gigabyte board is build using their newest tech UD3, which means the PCB itself has double the amount of copper. As far as I know it's the only board that supports DDR2 1333. Don't laugh, speeds up to 1500Mhz have been reached on one of these boards. So if he pairs it with good RAM it should be awesome.
     
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    I agree with you on the Quad, why not go with a high end Dual Core? The e8xxx and e7xxx series are the best dual cores out, and handle generic photoshop just fine.
    As for the board, I'll have to review it's specs and check into it a bit further. I think all the P45 boards we have recommended will do awesome with his current set up and even if Gary Coleman decides to upgrade.

    Gary the specs look good on your system, just research the mobo since you have a few options. Enjoy the new build! :toast:
     
  25. Katanai

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    Yeah, yeah. I was just posting my reasons for choosing that board. If he finds another one that has some extra features he likes he should go for that. Nowadays most P45 boards are great.
     

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