New to water cooling, New build info needed

[deadlyrhythm]

So this is going to be my first build in the water cooling domain. Iam going to for a mid to high end setup.(probably closer to the high end side)
Anyways I have done a readings and research and have come down to this for a shopping list for the water cooling parts:
My Rig components will likely be :
Cooler Master HAF 932 full tower case
Foxconn Bloodrage board
i7 920
ATI 5870
3x2gb ddr3 ram


shopping list:
Swiftech Apogee™ GTZ i7 CPU Waterblock - Socket LGA 1366http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9160/ex-blc-620/Swiftech_Apogee_GTZ_i7_CPU_Waterblock_-_Socket_LGA_1366.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2112

EK Radeon HD 5870 VGA Liquid Cooling Block - Acetal + Nickel ( EK-FC5870-Acetal+Nickel ) Pre-Order!http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9762/ex-blc-674/EK_Radeon_HD_5870_VGA_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_Acetal_Nickel_EK-FC5870-AcetalNickel_Pre-Order.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2113

Swiftech MCP355™ 12v Water Pump (Native 3/8") (120 GPH)http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5125/ex-pmp-47/Swiftech_MCP355_12v_Water_Pump_Native_38_120_GPH.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2114

EK DDC X-Top Pump Top Rev. 2 - Acrylic -Laing DDC / Swiftech MCP350/355http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9663/ex-pmp-85/EK_DDC_X-Top_Pump_Top_Rev_2_-_Acrylic_-Laing_DDC_Swiftech_MCP350355.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2115

Black Ice GTX Xtreme 240 Radiator - Blackhttp://www.frozencpu.com/products/5325/ex-rad-108/Black_Ice_GTX_Xtreme_240_Radiator_-_Black.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2116

PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 7/16"ID 5/8" OD with 3/32" Wall - UV Redhttp://www.frozencpu.com/products/8278/ex-tub-435/PrimoChill_PrimoFlex_PRO_LRT_Tubing_716ID_58_OD_with_332_Wall_-_UV_Red.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2117

Danger Den G 1/4" High Flow Thread Barb - 1/2" ID="http://www.frozencpu.com/products...ad_Barb_-_12_ID.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2118"]

PrimoChill Anti-Kink Coils - 1/2 OD" Tubing - Blackhttp://www.frozencpu.com/products/6612/tsl-18/PrimoChill_Anti-Kink_Coils_-_12_OD_Tubing_-_Black.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2119

Swiftech MCRES Micro Rev. 2 Small Form Factor / High-Flow Reservoir (1/2" ID & 3/8" ID)http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8336/ex-res-144/Swiftech_MCRES_Micro_Rev_2_Small_Form_Factor_High-Flow_Reservoir_12_ID_and_38_ID.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2120

SilenX 120x120x25mm - 14dBA - 72CFM iXtrema Pro Red LED Fan with Fluid Dynamic Bearings (IXP-74-14R)http://www.frozencpu.com/products/4281/fan-243/SilenX_120x120x25mm_-_14dBA_-_72CFM_iXtrema_Pro_Red_LED_Fan_with_Fluid_Dynamic_Bearings_IXP-74-14R.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2122

So I have a couple of questions in regards to this setup.

1- I have chosen the Swiftech MCP355http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5125/ex-pmp-47/Swiftech_MCP355_12v_Water_Pump_Native_38_120_GPH.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2114 and will add the EK DDC X-Top Pump Top Rev. 2 - Acrylichttp://www.frozencpu.com/products/9663/ex-pmp-85/EK_DDC_X-Top_Pump_Top_Rev_2_-_Acrylic_-Laing_DDC_Swiftech_MCP350355.html?id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=2115 to the pump.
Is this a sufficient pump?

- I will be cooling the CPU, NB, Video Card

-Should I move up to the Swiftech MCP655? http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6190/ex-pmp-54/Swiftech_MCP655_12v_Water_Pump_w_Speed_Control_and_38_Conversion_Kit_317_GPH.html?tl=g30c107&id=oBIjf93Y&mv_pc=1379

-Is the MCP655 overkill for my setup?

2- the second question is iam going to for a black and red theme water cooling setup.
Should i get clear hoses with red UV fluid? or get red UV hoses with clear fluid?
I havent really seen what the differences would be like. Anyone know?


anyways i think thats all for now. Thank you so much for taking interest in this post for those of you that do.

cheers

 

[1Kurgan1]

The MCP355 + top will work fine for what you will be pushing through, if I recall right it actually pushes better than a MCP655, just the 655 is quieter and a bit more reliable.

Can't help you on the 2nd question as I have only had one loop, but I too am curious on that one. Also wondering why you are running 1/2" barbs and 7/16" ID tubing? Just want a tight fit?

 

[deadlyrhythm]

yeah i heard that if you use the 7/16" tubing its a super tight fit on the the 1/2" barbs.

hmmm, quieter seems a bit tempting but i guess either one doesn't matter to much.

Maybe it will look cooler if i use the clear tubing with the UV red fluid.

 

[aCid888*]

You use of a single 240 rad worries me with what you want to cool...to be honest, I would pick up the rad ChickenPatty has in his FS thread as it will provide huge amounts of cooling and suit your needs much better.

On a note of the pump...I'd get the 355 and this top here: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7...aing_DDC-1T1TPlus_MCP-350355_No_Fittings.html

It will provide better pressure and allow you to fill the loop up pretty easily and rid you of the need to have a micro-res.


You could save some money with this top if you'd like: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5...50355_Acrylic_Replacement_Top_w_LED_Port.html

Its better than the EK one and a few $ cheaper too.

 

[deadlyrhythm]

reply

yeah i can't find anyone on here when i search for ChickenPatty. Do you know what thread its in?
i was going to put 2x SilenX 120x120x25mm - 14dBA - 72CFM iXtrema Pro Red LED Fan with Fluid Dynamic Bearings (IXP-74-14R) fans for that rad. They push 72CFM which is pretty high i think.

I want the rad in the top of the case. So i can fit in a 120.3 rad in there with three of those fans. So what is this kick ass rad were talking about ??

 

[aCid888*]

You really need a 360 rad to do what you want.

Anything less will be a waste and to be honest an air cooler (TRUE, Titan ect) will perform better if your only using a 240 rad and costs a lot less.


On a side note, CP sold his rad and you have a PM.

 

[deadlyrhythm]

ok so how about this one the Black Ice GTX Xtreme 360 Radiator - Black http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5326/ex-rad-109/Black_Ice_GTX_Xtreme_360_Radiator_-_Black.html?tl=g30c95

oh ok no wonder i couldn't find that thread. cool thanks. ill send u a new pm

 

[aCid888*]

I'll PM you about something you may be interested in.

 

[aCid888*]

YGPM again....I hope it helps and gives you a better idea where to buy.

 

[oily_17]

In answer to your second question -some people dont like using coloured fluid as it can gunk up your blocks over time and reduce their cooling effectiveness.

You can go with coloured tubes and distilled water and just add a silver killcoil to it to stop any build up in the loop.

 

[aCid888*]

Some solid advice right there with the killcoil.


I forgot to mention that.

 

[deadlyrhythm]

oh thanks so much, i would have never known. much appreciated oily_17

 

[oily_17]

No probs,

The rest of the parts seem fine, although I agree that you would need a triple rad in there to cool all your parts.
The 355 are great pumps when used with after market tops (I use two of them) and also I use the 7/16" tubing on 1/2" barbs.

You can soften the tubing in hot water before putting it on the barbs, it will make it easier for you.You can also use clamps to make sure you dont get a leak, but not everyone does, it is down to yourself really.

Also make sure and leak test the system a good few hours before running the whole system.

Good luck with the build and post up some pics of your work

 

[Velvet Wafer]

dont buy the gtz. buy a heatkiller 3.0 lc or lt, or an apogee xt.
the heatkiller lc would be the best /bang4buckwise

 

[oily_17]

dont buy the gtz. buy a heatkiller 3.0 lc or lt, or an apogee xt.
the heatkiller lc would be the best /bang4buckwise

I haven't used either on an i7 system so how do the two compare temp wise and flow??

I have heard good things about the Heatkilller but is there really a big difference in the two?/

EDIT: @ OP, Ok this thread may help you decide on which block is the best.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

XS has done it

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=224976

heatkiller wins always, but the new apogee isnt in this review, it should be 1 degree better, and all apogees inferior flow, exceptionally regarding the HK 3.0 LC

 

[oily_17]

Yeah I was just looking at that review

And as you say the Heatkiller seems to be a better block for the price (although only a small temp difference).
The low restriction would help with the added GPU cooling he is looking to do as well.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

its machined perfectly. the acetal nearly felt like metal

 

[deadlyrhythm]

iam having trouble finding any of the heatkiller 3.0 waterblocks in online stores. anyone know where they can found and ship to canada?

 

[aCid888*]

They are not in Canada.

I looked, no one has them or even stocks them so you will need to import it and for the price its a waste of time for the average user as the GTZ performs well enough to be honest.


PMed you again by the way.

 

[Wile E]

These guys are all correct so far. The best bang for buck water block right now is the Enzotech Sapphire, best performing is the Heatkillers. A good middle ground is usually Dtek Fuzions.

 

[oily_17]

I would just go with what you can get locally, by the time you pay extra for shipping it will not be worth it over the GTZ.

In all honesty you are only talking ~5C difference in temps, and no one can say that the extra ~5C cooling will help with your OC

 

[Wile E]

I would just go with what you can get locally, by the time you pay extra for shipping it will not be worth it over the GTZ.

In all honesty you are only talking ~5C difference in temps, and no one can say that the extra ~5C cooling will help with your OC

I agree. The only difference would be in extreme benching situations. 5C makes no difference at real world clocks unless you are really pushing your temps to the limits.