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  1. Creatre

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    Hey guys, just found the forums today and I have been doing a lot of researching! I have a setup that I've been looking at, and looking for everyones advice. My laptop went out, and isn't covered under warranty so I'm heading back to the desktop system where all the power is at. I'm under a fairly tight budget, but let me know if this looks like a pretty good start. I'm looking to overclock the cpu at a minimum, maybe the gcu, but we'll see.

    CASE: X-Cruiser Mid-Tower Case
    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition
    CD: Sony 20X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER
    FAN: CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling System
    HDD: 400GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
    MOTHERBOARD: Asus M2N SLI NVIDIA nForce 560 SLI MCP Chipset
    MEMORY: 4GB (4x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory
    OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
    POWERSUPPLY: 635 Watts Sigma Shark SP-635W PSU
    VIDEO: 2x NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express
     
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    I was going to talk you into Intel...but I've already done that one too many times lately. :D First off, if you're on a budget , do you really need SLI? One overclocked 9600gt will max most anything except maybe Crysis at decent resolutions. I would also get the 5000+ black instead of the 6400+. It's cheaper, and there really isn't much more head room to OC in the 6400+ to warrant the extra cost. Oh, and you don't want that psu. You can do better without spending more money, and the psu is really the foundation of your system.
     
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    Nice system, though i want to make a few suggestions. First, i'd recomend getting a 770 or 790 chipset mobo to futureproof yourself so you can upgrade to a Phenom later. Also, these boards support DDr2-1066, so get some Crucial Ballistix, Mushkin or Corsair Dominator, those are good for overclocking. Another thing, that PSU has to go, i personally never heard of these guys, these are good PSU brands: PC Power & Cooling, Silverstone, Corsair, Seasonic, Enermax, Ultra and so on. Check out www.slizone.com, they have all the PSUs that can support 2 9600 in SLI listed there. As for the the optical drives, i usually prefer Lite-ons, they are ver reliable and have lasted me for years.

    And finally, have you considered going with Intel? they are the top dog right now, even if you are on a budget you can still put together a decent system.

    I hope this helps.
     
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    what is your budget?
    what resolution do you play at?
     
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    Thanks for the advice so far guys. I'll switch up my plans and come up with a new spec list here in a bit.

    I keep considering intel it just bumps up the price more and more. I've always had good expierences with AMD, so I'm not really scared to stay on that route. I would love to overclock a Q6600 though! :rockout: I'm still drawing out plans, so we'll see what comes up!

    Budget is between 800-1000, pending the sale of the laptop.
     
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    well you can go the q6600 route aswell
     
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    Updated it a bit, and the price is actually coming down, but put more efficient stuff in it! I'm still split between the amd 5000+ black and the 6400+ black. I have heard about the good overclocking of the 5000+, but I want to make sure I have the cooling and the other parts to make sure I can get that 5000+ up there rivaling the 6400+! Heres the updated specs:

    CASE: X-Cruiser Mid-Tower Case
    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition
    CD: Sony 20X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER
    FAN: Thermaltake MaxOrb Enthusiast CPU Cooling Fan
    HDD: 320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
    MOTHERBOARD: MSI K9A2 CF-F AMD 790X CrossFire Chipset
    MEMORY: 2GB (2x1GB) PC8500 DDR2/1066 Dual Channel Memory - Corsair Dominator
    OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
    POWERSUPPLY: Ultra X3 800W PSU
    VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express

    What do you guys think now? I'm definitely within the ranges of my budget now, especially cutting out one video card. I think that is a smart move though, especially with that new 9600gt. I was looking at the specs on gpureview.com and it seems to be really nice!
     
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    Getting a crossfire board with an Nvidia card is useless. If you don't need SLI, focus on other features. You could also get yourself and AC freezer 64 that will cool as well as that max orb for a much lower price. Also, we have a couple of good threads going involving the 9600GT. Here's a link

    http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=53706&page=2
     
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    Very nice results! I was looking at other 9600gt threads right before this, hadn't stumbled upon this one yet.

    I'm confused about the motherboard and the nvidia situation though. You are saying it doesn't make sense because if I ever want to put a second card in I would have to buy 2 ati cards instead? As of right now having an nvidia card would work in this motherboard correct? I was going more for the bang for the buck motherboard and this one showed up. Should I stick with the board I had earlier or a different board? I'm searching around right now for something that would fit my needs better. Sorry, I wasn't kidding when I said NEWBIE advice. Hah. At least I speak in full sentences though right? :toast:
     
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    Well that looks like a steal. Looks like I'll be going with this now. Thanks Paulieg :respect:
     
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    you haven't heard my super budget rig :p

    Intel Core 2 Duo E2180
    Arctic Freezer Pro 7
    Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3
    Corsair VX450W
    Western Digital SE16 500GB
    Crucial Ballistix 2x1 PC-6400
    Cooler Master Centurion 5
    XFX 8800GS 384
    Lite-On Lightscribe DVD Combo

    - Christine
     
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    Good budget setup, but the cpu is just "ok", even oc'd. That psu has to go...I love corsair psu's, but he probably wants a little more power.
     
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    also the q6600 is $200 at microcenter.

    also consider this cpu cooler: ZeroTherm Nirvana NV120
    *ppl say its on par with the thermalright 120 extreme w/ scythe s-flex fan
     
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    From what I understand, OCZ has fixed this issue. I really wouldn't recommend anyone buy a 450 psu, since there is little room to power an additional video card, a Quad Core cpu etc. As far as water cooling goes, do you really want to recommend WC to a noob? Let him get familiar with air cooling first.
     
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    I have the Nirvana cooler. It's awesome, just a little pricey. Yes, that is a good deal on the Quad, but not everyone has a microcenter close. If he does, then that would be a great plan. :)
     
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    I'm not trashing corsair, but if he buys corsair, I think a HX520 at least. I'm also not saying that WC is bad, just bad for a noob. There are just more variables involved. Not to mention that good air cooling is as good as low end WC. I had the Swiftech Compact WC kit which is probably the best of the lower end kits, and I get better temps with my Zerotherm Nirvana.
     
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    I decided to delete my post to prevent an argument, whenever I try to help someone (specially build threads) I try to squeeze the performance out every penny but it never translates into others. I apologize whatever decision you make i'm happy for you. :)

    - Christine
     
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    Your suggestions were good Christine, other than the WC. It's good to have various opinions. It does not have to create an argument.
     
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    I've gained more knowledge in this thread then I did in my 3 classes earlier today. Feel free to continue arguing! :D
     
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    thats a great deal on that crucial memory...might have to buy some
     
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    I need a final approval for my system. I had ordered another system, but looks like it got held up and I'm going to switch it all up to get the best bang for the buck. My goal is to get that Q6600 over 3.5!!! My budget can only go up another 100 bucks or so, so nothing too crazy. Here's what I'm thinking as of right now:

    Case:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

    Motherboard:
    http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA4830733

    Processor:
    http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA1938460

    CPU Cooler:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590

    Memory (4GB, 4X1 - Already ordered 2 and they have already arrived, had them for other system, so sort of stuck with at least 2GB of this)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590

    Hard Drive:
    http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA3494865

    Power Supply (Should I get something a bit more powerful, or is this efficient enough?
    http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA6276813

    GPU:
    http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA9630892

    CD/DVD Drive:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151161


    Going with Vista 64 bit as well into this. Also, my monitor is a Sceptre 20.1" widescreen if that sways anything. Got it in today, SUPER SWEET, super clear. :rockout:

    I need to order this tommorrow, so instant approval or suggestions would be awesome! :respect:
     
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    Looking pretty good. Here are my thoughts. I would go with a Seagate Barracuda instead of that WD. It's faster and quieter, and only a couple of dollars more. That Ram you're getting is decent. I have it in my second rig, but it does not clock very well. If you are interested, I have a great 4GB set of Super Talent Ram that I'm selling for $80. It clocks much higher than what you are getting, not to mention that your can run 4-4-3-7 timings up to 860mz. That psu will be fine. I am curious though, I didn't see a video card listed. If you are planning on getting a new card, I'd recommend a 9600gt from MSI, BFG or EVGA. Best "bang for buck" right now, and I'm closing in on 14K in 3dmark06 with my MSI.
     
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    The CPU cooler link is wrong, it's a link to your RAM.
     

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