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  1. jsfitz54

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    Why should any ONE dictate how the news is delivered. One model of the world???

    Is there going to be a democratic vote on this?
  2. Cold Storm

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    Well... in the factor of myself saying "IMHO" it states that it's something I thought would be a way to do things. To which everyone might have somewhat an agreeing on.

    Since everyone seems to think it's wrong... Do I want censorship on how someone rights? No.. Do I want someone to have to change due to others not liking it? No.. But, like all other News groups.. We have more then 1 person posting now..

    Don't you think we should have a "Standards" of some sort?
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    I would like to be, Editor-In-Chief.
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    One could argue that the way the news is delivered by some news posters is indeed not news.

    Btarunr is the Editor In Chief.
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    People are well aware of the bias major news outlets have in their stories. Members complaining about the shift in the news aren't incapable of separating fact from spin (do not insult us)- they are fed up that they have to. The previous style of TPU was very straight and forward. Using your own example, how would you like if you found a news outlet that was relatively neutral, then they hire Bill O'Reilly to fill the bulk of their news programming? Sure you could still tell what is fact and what is his nonsense, but I think you would still be perturbed that you have to make that adjustment.

    News, to me, is not meant to be a source of entertainment. The miracles of modern day technology affords me many other ways to be entertained, so I guess the humor of his posts is lost on me.

    I couldn't agree more in the fact that we should all read what makes us happy- which is why I read my tech news from other sites now. The thread however asks 'Whats Wrong with our Forums?' and if the news is so bad that it could drive members away- it deserves to be discussed until a solution is found.
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    That was not meant to be an insult to Bta...just to make a point.

    Standards change all the time.

    Dogmatic approaches lose in the long run.
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    The thing of the matter.. For the longest time we've only had 1-2 people post news.. Two people that were tight together on how they posted.. Now, we got "more hands in the cookie jar"... So, due to that, we don't know how to take/ or how to go about it..

    So, if we can design the way that people can "express their way of writing" we can hit "two birds with one stone".

    Like I said and will continue to say. We have the talent of all the writers to do a dang good job and gain more "traffic" to the site... Just, feel that if we have good "structure" in guidelines... Then we'll have even love for every single writer..
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    Well I don't get it then. He doesn't seem to have a problem with qubit's news posts and he already is the Editor In Chief. It doesn't change the fact that people don't like news presented in this way, hence why they are posting here.

    It is your opinion that standards change all the time. It is my opinion that they do not, they are standards and things can fall above or below them. It seems as if many people have their own standards of this forum and how the news is presented. For those not liking it, I would assume it is falling below their standards.
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    Where is Bta on this?

    Argument is flawed: "design" the way one expresses themself smacks of uniformity.
    More writers: the site must be growing.
    I assume the writing style is approved, now.

    Why put all your eggs in one basket?

    With regard to "standards", who sets them, who has the last word...

    What are the hard fact numbers on those who don't like it? That's a "standards" question.

    I have expressed that I like variety and have no complaints of the way the news is delivered now.

    If so and so wants to get their news somewhere else due to 1 writer, thats their own personal problem. Throw out the baby with the bath water.

    Standards, like laws, are constantly changing with new information and values all the time. Hence my comment on dogmatic approaches and set in stone practices.

    Would you like an old doctor from 100 years ago or a new one that is up to date with today's science?
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    I like the fact that we have different "styles"... But, when we can't not find out, "what is what"... It leads to others to not "get" what is "fact" and what is the personal opinion on the matter.. Thus, myself saying "design" of the matter.

    You can state that the argument is flawed all you want.. who am I to say I know how to run things.. Which I don't.. But, in the world of Forums.. If we have the factor of "posting" we have the factor to allow one self to tell others how we feel... Thus, a thread like this is formed. To allow the site to come together as one to figure out what is the right way to go at things..


    If bta feels that everything is fine.. No problem.. I'm just, like others on here... throwing out what we can to see how things can "get better"...


    You can't make everyone happy.. The internet is a cruel b1tch... But, when we can all come together, to fix a "drama lama" problem...
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    I like Qubit's news posts, but I would prefer them with a bland factual BTA style news posts with the Qubit opinion right under it, even in the same post, so thank you qubit, for finally accepting to do this.

    I don't read the editorials much, but if Qubit could already write "Editorial:" at the beginning of his post, it would be cool (if he doesn't do this already)

    I love how now I have a hard time keeping up with the news and has to come more often then when I would have to wait for a day or 2 to have a news post worth commenting on
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    +1 here....

    I mean no offense to anyone either but it's true for me too....
    I just responded to a news post that I had no idea was a news post....I thought it was a fanboi post.

    I do still read btarunr's posts though...just not nearly as frequently....Christian isn't to shabby either...it's just easier to get factual news elsewhere...just saying.
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  13. Frick

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    You consider it "shit" at the moment and therefore it's important is the way it's handled. And it's not just wording it strongly: All the quotes below are taken from the Witcher 2 post:

    Right here you ridicule the entire idea of "pirates" and that "Seriously." short sentence is nothing but an aggrevator.

    The IP address thing is a very valid complaint, but then you ridicule the idea that they have discovered a new method for doing it.


    Again you are ridiculing the mere thought of them actually trying to be honest and only go after actual pirates. That too is actually a very valid concern, but by that little "Nice." at the end it seems like you're just amused by the thought.


    A possibility but you word it in such a snarky way I just can't be bothered about it. This is how you want it to be, this is what you believe in, this is what shines through the entire piece.

    They are not telling us, therefore we paint up the worst case scenario in which they actually do illegal things. And then you end it with a question comparing it to something else that was very controversial and says this is much much much worse, even though there is not a single fact that support anything you say in this paragraph.

    "But do you WANT the Nazi's to win?" Extreme comparasion, but pretty valid still. You are pretty much saying straight up it's all or nothing, with, again, no facts at all that say anything about it.

    Here we have conspiracies that the "media cartels" in the US buys out governments everywhere. A long and hard look on whether there are cartels in the US or not and what they do would be an interesting read, but you just assume that's the way it is. You might have read about it somewhere, but I have no means of saying anything about it as you don't provide sources for anything. Also you make fun of the idea that piracy hurts anyone and says it even is a benefit in some cases.

    And again with the ridicule. And a personal recommandation is always a nice touch. And an official recommendation that "expose" "abuses" daily. The entire paragraph pushes the idea that what you say is TRUE. And again, no facts about it, only a basic assumption and an idea you want to push for.

    The entire article assumes that there are media cartels, that the idea that piracy hurts anyone is laughable (and that it even is good for companies!) and that CDP Red is one step away from commiting crimes that would be considered very serious in most governments. It's more than strong wording.

    Fear, as you push the fearsome idea of them invading my Facebook and actually anything I can think of ("you name it, they might be doing it"). And I have a very vivid imagination.
    Uncertainty, as you use the words "might" a lot. It's a good word. It saves your ass as you only imply things might happen but there is a chance it's happening right now!
    Doubt, goes hand in hand with "might".

    IMO as always.
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    Someone needs to calm down :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::roll::roll::roll::roll::laugh::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::toast::laugh::nutkick:

    25% Sarcastic
    75% Serious

    Sources: Me. I know my self.
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    I think, like the way most newspapers handle editorials, it should be placed in it's own prominent and prestigious section. After all, the editorials are expressing the views of the paper itself.
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    Yay, just what we need, a dedicated qubit sux thread *grabs some popcorn* :roll:

    [​IMG]

    P.S mods please note the sarcasm in my post, I like q and just get fed up of all the bashing that goes on lately.
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    Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop

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    Probably, but he wanted constructive criticism so I posted what I think is wrong with his news posts. If it was an editorial or just a random forum post it'd be a different thing, but now it isn't. It's a news post on the TPU homepage that gets a fair amount of visitors and even if it's only one newsie posting that stuff it still reflects on the rest of the page/forums.

    I mean most of what he posts are valid concerns and it could be a very good post but the way he writes them is borderline arrogant. It's not professional. It reads like a common news paper that use scare tactics to prove their points and I feel nothing but hate for them.
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    Qubit's posts are borderline arrogant? There are other adjectives to describe how he writes, but "borderline arrogant" is definitely not it. There's an utter lack of exclamation points, for example. And thus far you can't really say they have the "F**K EVERYTHING ELSE YOU READ IN THE INTERNET! DON'T READ THE OTHER NEWS! JUST THIS! JUST THE ARTICLES I WRITE! OK??? NO?!?!?!? THEN JUST F**K OFF WILL YOU?!?!?!?!?" vibe.
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    Certinaly not, but there's arrogant and arrogant. As everything that thing comes in different levels.
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    You have got to be kidding. The majority of your posts are hardly "Constructive critisism" and more trolling I like how you used "Critisism" to save your ass their. It lets you troll without being banned. I also think you misunderstand the meaning of the word constructive. In my world when they teach English and journalism. They constructivly critisize by saying the following.

    "This had good form, but I would rewrite this because of this."

    WHICH IS A WHOLE LOT different from.


    "This is rediculous you need to be better slander and shit im going to spend the next 7 lines telling you how unworthy you are of a news position."

    Dont get me wrong people need thick skin. I'm all for that. But you are a loose cannon and IMO you need to tone that shit down.
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    Personally I like the short and sweet approach. You know......"Just the facts mam."

    (Showed my age there)
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    :laugh::toast:

    I think everyone complaining has to realize that any new writer is going to have to find their own style...

    This comes with time, practice and experience and to some extent the subject matter.

    If you have followed qubit's articles, you can see that he is experimenting with how the content is delivered.

    Some are more heavy handed with the personal opinion than others.

    In the case that Frick mentions regarding a game/entertainment piece, it was perhaps written to be more entertaining. (subject matter choice)

    The other factor is a business one, TPU may want this style to see what the responses are like, in attempt to grow the site/readership. If you don't try different things you risk becoming stale and lost among all the other sites. What is going to make TPU standout?

    Raw numbers will eventually be compiled and choices will be made. That's what an Editor-In-Chief does.

    If you read the first post by Bta... he asks that you contact the author first.

    I have read all too many dry topics and I like a little something in the writing to peak interest or keep me engaged so I can read till the end of the column... opinionated or not.

    My request to the complainers is to have some patience.
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    See Qubit is a good news reporter. Its just the style of delivery doesn't sit with a LOT of people. These same people just don't want TPU to end up being the "Fox News" of the tech world in content delivery. IMO all Qubit has to do is not interweave his opinion within the news. Add it after. That's what an analysis is. Not news biased with opinion. I think Qubit gets this and has been adjusting.

    With that being said the brutality of the critic needs to be tone down as much as Qubits sensationalism. Its easy to trash someone. Its much harder to mold them into what works.
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    Yes, most of my posts regarind qubits news are trolling, but I believe the list a few posts up are pretty constructive ableit a bit hard. I can rewrite it if you want it, because I believe my points ARE valid criticism. Most of the the Witcher 2 post is making fun of the mere thought of piracy being bad for bussiness and even indicates it's good for them. I think he have some valid points but I think I explained why I see it the way I do.

    Take the IP address thing, which is a thing we should be concerned about. But the way it's written it looks like he's entertained by the idea that it could ever change, and then he paints up a picture where our Facebook accounts are scanned for information instead. Which would be extremely serious it it's true, and if it is true we should go to the studio with torches and pitchforks, but nothing in the information given suggests that in the slightest.

    And then we have the lack of sources. He says that there are a lot of studies saying that piracy doesn't matter, which in itself is a bold statement, and without links or anything to said studies it's all a matter of how you feel about the subject. And then he says Big Media in the US is a cartel that buys the worlds governments. And again, that would be an interesting thing to read a lengthy article about, but he state it as a simple fact.

    The point is the basics of his articles could have been interesting, but then he goes about saying things based on assumptions instead of facts. At least that's how I see it, mostly because he says things like the German government is bought out by US media cartels and provide no additional information about it. Am I just supposed to swallow that? Am I supposed to assume from his article that CBT Red is looking at my Facebook and private mails?

    This is the type of reporting/sensationalism I see on bad news outlets (if you're swedish you know Aftonbladet) and I hate to see it on TPU which always have been above that.

    EDIT: BTW, if you think I'm hypocritical, what with my Bethsoft rage and all: The big difference is that my posts are forum posts, not news posts displayed on the homepage. If qubits news pieces would have been forum posts I would not care so much, but they're not. Imagine me reporting on games if you will. It'd be horrible.
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    Is there not a framework the newsies work under? It just seems like someone is picked and then tehy say.. GO FOR IT.

    Ive said it before, and I'll say it again...I dont want to hear anyone's opinion in a news article. Especially an opinion that is based off speculation, no supporting evidence, and subjective opinion. I dont care what you think... just post the article and go find the next one. :p

    Jsfitz brings up an interesting point in that the style is conjuring up discussion. Well, that worked, its too bad the majority of the discussion is disapproval on (occasional)uneducated opinion interjection. But if that was the case...its working. :)

    Amen... :toast:
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