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No New FX Processor From AMD in 2013

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. eidairaman1

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    oy veh:shadedshu Really no need to argue, AMD met their objectives this time compared to when they launched Bulldozer.
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    I for one am fine with this.... i just ordered my 8350 to replace my Pii x4 955 BE and can't wait to get it. it should last me until SR is released (hopefully with ddr4 and PCIe3.0)
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  3. cdawall where the hell are my stars

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    You are still assuming it is in the L3. Most major processes end up in the ram anyway at most the instruction set is there. There is next to no performance change per core on AMD between L3 and no L3 (FX series vs APU's). Heck even on Intel there is only a mild change the cacheless pentium and chips and i3 chips per clock.
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    I think the same, and maybe we see Vishera on 28nm as well. Maybe it's a good thing, they will use Vishera to improve the 28nm process before doing Steamroller.
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    I knew this was going to happen. I even called it back in the Piledriver discussion thread--and then was hastily berated by the very pro-AMD users. Oh well, I'd rather AMD took their time and released a killer product than rushed another Bulldozer out the door. Piledriver will be fine by now unless Haswell comes out and is substantially better than people expect.
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    Huh, Bulldozer wasn't rushed! It was delayed, and delayed and delayed again.
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    there CPUs suck mite as well give up and put all there brain power into there GPUs.
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    Hahaha, Wikipedia. Cache in general is for this. L3 is shared by all the cores and the bandwidth on the L3 cache for AMD processors is similar to that of its memory speed, just with lower latency, which is fine but if you compare the multi-core efficiency of an AMD processor with and without that L3 cache, you will notice that L3 helps multi-core efficiency more than anything else. Intel does the same exact thing. Not to say it doesn't help other tasks, but there is a reason why L2 is write-back and L3 is write-through on AMD processors IIRC.

    GPUs don't handle linear applications well, they're built to run the same instructions on a huge set of data which the majority of applications in the world do not do or need... yet and I don't think that will change in the near future.
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  10. ChristTheGreat

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    I guess we don't need right now faster CPU.. Maybe more optimization would be nice...
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    So every Intel CPU from the 3570K/2600K and down suck also is that right? :rolleyes:
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    the massive size of the L3 cache masks the latency, not to mention its the L2 cache that is more important not to mention the load queues/L1 especially in amd designs which amd is improving. as for the L2 its larger size kinda masks for the latency bit so at this point that's the most affordable way for amd to work around the problem, and with power gating the cache in steamroller they solve the extra power consumption issue.anyway aslong as they improve the branch predicted the less the latency is going to matter, at this point i think its more important for amd to add some complexity to the modules than just work on the cache, since now u have a module with shared resources that has less resources than a single core sandy bridge. Dedicated decoders in sgeamrollers kinda solve that problem, adding more ipc and better multithread scaling, then That whole its not really 8 core argument might finally be put to rest

    I believe the only advantage for amd to improve their cache would be to allow them to use less cache and have more performance rather than wasting all this die area, but as far as performance its gonna be single digit gains in very specific kinds of code so its not worth it for amd right now
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    what?
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    So they are not planning to release higher clocked versions?
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    They are not planning on releasing steamroller the road map doesn't show individual chips.
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    Vishera 2.0(Orochi Rev E or Rev C(x)) is what is coming out next year.

    Then with Viperfish Rev B coming out early 2014. <-- With AMD returning to the early April-May launch dates.

    Vishera 2.0:
    FX-8370
    FX-8340
    FX-6400
    FX-4400
    New NB 8.0 GT/s
    New SB (Hudson or Bolton D4)

    Viperfish:
    Socket GC36 only(1974+ pins)
    Quad-channel DDR4
    10 Steamroller Cores
    80 PCI-E 3.x Links or 5 HT 4.0 Links(HTX4 GPUs?)
    Internal NB and I/O Hub
    External SB with Bolton D5?


    ----
    LGA 1974(Reformatted) vs LGA 2011
    FX vs i7

    PGA 904 vs LGA 1150
    A10 vs i7
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    ^-2014 worth the wait?
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    There CPU sucks? Look at the Piledriver reviews, AMD actually beats Intel in more tests overall. But apparently a CPU doesnt suck if it excels just in single threaded gaming.

    Where did you read that? I Googled it and found nothing!
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    The names I am guessing but Vishera 2.0 will replace Vishera and will give a timeframe for the next CPU line up. The new NB and SB has been in the roadmap since 2007.
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    Don't quote me on this, but isn't steamroller really just piledriver on 28nm?


    which would still be piledriver...


    Just sayin'.
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    From what I remember it was a fine-tuned variation of PD on 28nm--and PD was only a refined version of BD. I know the implication is that we could still technically see new CPU's, but it's more likely revisions will come out next year (higher clocks, very minor tweaks) and they will lineup a Steamroller launch for Spring 2014 to finally be releasing around the same time Intel is, or just before them.
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    Yeah, I can see the easy potential for 5 GHz clocks, perhaps, if they can get the process ironed out nice, and really, that's all I expect from AMD, myself, but you never know what might happen.
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    for now a 5GHz Chip is plausible.
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    Ye gods I hope not. I'd personally hope AMD could be able to get closer to Intel's overall spec- keep clocks relatively static while bringing power consumption and die size down. Every enthusiast would dearly love insane clockspeed, but the enthusiast market isn't what will keep AMD afloat. I'd sincerely doubt 5GHz@28nm is going to be any more frugal on power usage than 4GHz@ 32nm...which may mean squat to a lot here, but given that the same four module parts are going 2-up on the same package for server duty, and OEM's have a love for cheapening out on PSU's and cooling- it doesn't sound like a recipe for success.
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    He was quoting a guy that said the 8350 sucks. Since the 8350 trades blows with the 3570 so it's assumed that the 3570 also sucks. :laugh:



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    What about Piledriver 2.0 (or was it Vishera 2.0?)?

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