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NVIDIA Announces GeForce GTX 780 Ti to Counter Radeon R9 290X

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Oct 18, 2013.

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    Shit, I was really hoping for a price cut for Titan, would this new 780 card be able to do SLI with existing Titan cards?
     
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    Knowing how Nvidia works I wouldn't hope on that.
     
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    Realy?? Isnt this why they have the "Titan" ???
     
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    According to early sources 290x is 23.8 percent faster than 780 at 2160p(4k).
     
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    didn't AMD crash their party yesterday?
     
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    The only 2 cards above the 770 are the 780, and Titan respectively, both of which have sold A SH*T TON and have been IMMENSELY SUCCESSFUL, so you're comment claiming otherwise is downright confusing, and incorrect. Say what you want about Nvidia, but they are VERY, VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL.
     
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    nVidia's next move: a GTX Titan with better capacitors,bios and no stupid throttling, so that the chip can easily do 1300mhz.
     
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    Yeah but there are very few 4k owners. Even 1440p is considered above average amongst most gamers at the moment.

    And then ask, is it 23.8% faster than a GTX 780Ti? Oooh, see what Nvidia did.

    Interestingly, if Nvidia really do have availability come mid November (<28 days away) it means they've had it waiting. I think the slow release of 290X is maybe due to AMD waiting to see what Nvidia were going to counter with. Neither side have publicly stated a firm price.

    Do AMD release high and let Nvidia undercut (i Know - unlikely) or do they release lower to get the performance/$ crown. It's all cat and mouse. If it was still ATI it would be cat and moose.
     
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    I can't help but think that the people who bash this point are the same people who praise Apple's "The last generation flagship is this generation's value model".

    It's not a new business practice and not practiced by just AMD. If you'd rather spend money to reinvent the wheel to get the same performance, by all means go ahead. Continuing a previous fab saves money for both AMD and its consumers.

    Even die-hard nVidia fans (such as yourself, I assume) should be celebrating this since it's driving prices down for nVidia cards. You're welcome.
     
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    So basically nvidia is saying we still want to sell cards at $650 and $1000, and the 780 can deal with the 290X. We don't know if that's true until real reviews, but if this is their response at least they think it is. Of course there's nothing stopping them from making a further price adjustment after seeing how the market reacts.
     
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    Educated guess: It's a GTX Titan with lower clocks and 3 GB of memory.
     
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    This is competition of course they make new cards that beats the one's released earlier, it depends on personal choice and price which card or side to chose.
     
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    Good guess, makes for a good chip salvaging strategy.
     
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    Are you really that braindead that you can't understand the principle of how SKUs work? All of AMD's previous cards are A. being priced either at the same level or MUCH, MUCH lower than their predecessors (unlike Nvidia who are currently charging WAY more than their previous SKUs -- a 770 sells for anywhere from 30%-50% above a 680s price) and B. It is AMD's first official rebrand to system building consumers. Nvidia have already rebadged their SKUs earlier this year, hence why they are at the "marketing disadvantage", which is exactly what I said.

    And where are you getting your bullshit facts from that the 290X won't beat a Titan? Those worthless 1080p benches? Because anybody with a single brain cell left will tell you that the 290X is built to best Kepler at resolutions much higher than that, and that is where it will eat a Titan for breakfast due to its 64 ROPs/512bit bus alone (Nvidia have always had on par or minutely better performance at lower resolutions than AMD due to smaller bus but higher bandwidth and higher clocks). The question then becomes -- do you want Nvidia's card, 2 out of 100 FPS faster at 1080p than the equivalent AMD card in the same game, or a 4K ready AMD card that will add 10-20FPS out of 40 and possibly make the playable difference in games vs the equivalent Nvidia card that can't keep up due to bus width and other limitations? Go look at some 4K benchmarks, where a 7970 is FAR closer to the Titan's performance than it is at 1080p before you get your green coloured panties in a twist...
     
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    This is "Ghz edition" all over again. This time from Nvidia.
     
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    I'm not bashing the point. Am* was trashing nVidia for their cards all being re-brands of the 600 series. I just pointed out that AMD was doing exactly the same thing with even less "new" cards. I don't care what companies do, I do care when people are incredibly biased and hypocritical like that guy is.

    I am not a die-hard nVidia fan, nor am I a fanboy. I've owned cards from both companies. That being said for the past several systems I've personally build I've went with nVidia. I find their software package and drivers to be superior, their build quality to be better (EVGA is incredible) and performance for the games I run to be better.

    It's just a preference, if AMD upped their game and really blew nVidia out of the water I wouldn't even hesitate. The problem is that unless you're at the very high end of the curve it doesn't really matter which camp you're in. A standard mid-level single card from either company is going to be basically the same.

    The one point that is relevant is that nVidia has consistently had better support for their cards. Particularly in multiple-gpu setups and bleeding edge driver support. But that's neither here nor there, we don't have a disagreement...BOTH companies re-brand. It would be a complete waste of R&D to re-invent every generation, the only way we support a yearly refresh is by tweaking the previous generation to the limit.
     
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    If by doing homework, you mean steal someone else's, then, pour incredible amounts of resources into "selling" it to the teacher... yup, sure.

    Dear god, have I heard that line a billion times or what... No offence, but that's pretty much THE type-cast nVidia fanboy "argument". Yet somehow I've seen both brands have their share of fails in systems I've worked with, and feel no need to gratuitously bash or sanctify neither.


    Anyway, someone said something about the R9 290X being a great deal faster than GTX 780 at the UHD resolution. Here's a compiled list of performance improvements, I don't know it's exact source, some guy at WCCFTech linked it, so don't quote me worth shit just yet.

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    (Looks screen-captured as to save info on a leak that would've been taken down shortly after)

    Also, an editor there mentioned that AMD will also be releasing Catalyst 13.11 BETA3 (probably R9 290/X release drivers) which will add frame-pacing for 3840x2160 resolution and a number of performance improvements in various titles. Which reminds me, I'm really curious of how that bridge-less crossfire works and would it's advantages be (currently I see only one disadvantage).

    Yes, nVidia seems a bit desperate right now, but is this not what we wanted? For new cards to be launched and better prices for everyone... Not for "leading" brands to stagnate the whole market with dirty tactics and sky-high prices for rebrands/last-year's tech?
     
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    Newegg lists six (6) HD 7970 SKUs cheaper than the cheapest R9-280X
    Newegg lists both GTX 680's cheaper than the cheapest GTX 770

    So much for that hypothesis.
    Let me guess...Newegg doesn't count. The only place that counts is the store where you found GTX 680's costing more than GTX 770's and 280X cheaper than 7970's. AMIRITE!

    HD 7970.....HD 7970 GHz Edition....R9-280X
    Which one of these isn't official ?

    Well if its a case of "who rebadges last wins" then firstly, it's a piss poor competition either way, and secondly the GK110 rebadges aren't going to debut before the R9-290X...unless AMD continue delaying until they can bundle the card with Duke Nukem Forever II
    You smell that? Do you smell that? Hyperbole, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning.
    Meanwhile, back on Planet Objective...
     
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    Doesn't matter to me how they got there, I want results and Nvidia happens to deliver way better than AMD on multi GPU tech ;)

    I could care less of what AMD/ATI does or Nvidia does, I'm a consumer not their advocate.
     
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    My mistake for not reading more of the thread. :toast:
     
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    Well, if it's one thing AMD has brought to the multi-GPU arena... is excellent scaling, on average... but especially in special cases... I mean, 99-110% scaling in some cases (tho I'm not sure of the validity of over 100% scaling, I have seen 99-100% ones fairly often). Now I do know frame-pacing impacts performance in some cases, stellar scaling still remains in most cases.

    Either way, bridge-less CF and the future of AMD drivers/frame-pacing (as well as the question of... does Mantle have special features related to "close-to-metal" multi-GPU coding... like the... multi-core programming rage from a while back) is something I surely will keep an eye out for.


    Anyway, there's so many gaming goodies coming out in the near future, it's so damn sad that, even with an insane budget, you can't have access to all of them at once.


    Sorry, but you ain't exactly screamin' objectivism to me either...

    And BTW, I only see ONE card being cheaper than Radeon R9 280Xs (mail-in rebates and special deals don't count, in case logic escapes some people, as I can apply those same discounts to the new cards as well) AAAAAAAND, news flash, the whole world is bigger than North America, you do know that right... I couldn't care less of prices on NewEgg...
    GTX 680 are EOL as far as I'm concerned.
    Where I live, R9 280X AKA Overclocked Radeon HD 7970, is cheaper and faster than what it is replacing... and guess what, at the end of the day, that's the only thing that matters.
     
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    Really? MIR's don't count? And even if they did you can apply them to products that they aren't advertised for!

    /bookmarked for humour value and future reference.
     
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    Very interesting discussion, please reply this:
    "Where I live, R9 280X AKA Overclocked Radeon HD 7970, is cheaper and faster than what it is replacing... and guess what, at the end of the day, that's the only thing that matters."

    Making popcorn!
     
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