nVidia Blacklists Hardware Secrets

[TIGR]

This time we have NVIDIA blacklisting us. After we published a review – without any support from them, N.B. – they complained that we didn’t talk about CUDA or PhysX.

After this e-mail exchange they simply put us in their black list and thus we stopped being invited to their latest product presentations, we were dropped from the list of websites that get products before the release date and we stop getting any kind of support from them. Any e-mail I sent to NVIDIA asking for anything is completely ignored.

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[Phxprovost]

seems like today is a fun day for nvidia

 

[phanbuey]

nvidia PR department should be taken out back and clubbed.

 

[newtekie1]

I've never even heard of this site...so I'm guessing it isn't a big loss for nVidia.

And judging from the first line of the article, nVidia isn't the only company they've pissed off and been blacklisted from.

 

[TVman]

maybe thats why wizzard puts those cuda and physx support in the reviews as cons or plusses when he does reviews of video cards nvidia you motherf........ !!!

 

[WSP]

so nvidia blacklisting websites which does an independent review?
then what about those websites which supported by nvidia? are those reviews objective? counting out reviews on TPU off course.

well, I always a big fan for review by owner published on a forum with screenshots and not just graphs

 

[TIGR]

I've never even heard of this site...so I'm guessing it isn't a big loss for nVidia.

And judging from the first line of the article, nVidia isn't the only company they've pissed off and been blacklisted from.

I don't know how popular it is compared to other sites of the type, but HS does some excellent reviews with good testing methodology, and I like the layout of the articles.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

I've never even heard of this site...so I'm guessing it isn't a big loss for nVidia.

And judging from the first line of the article, nVidia isn't the only company they've pissed off and been blacklisted from.

You may have never heard of this website but it's been around for sometime now. It was popular back in the day but I'm not sure what happened to their popularity now a days.

 

[wahdangun]

wow, i hope TPU list phisyx as pros not because of this.

i like independent journalist, because they don't give a shit what company said.

 

[cadaveca]

so nvidia blacklisting websites which does an independent review?
then what about those websites which supported by nvidia? are those reviews objective? counting out reviews on TPU off course.

well, I always a big fan for review by owner published on a forum with screenshots and not just graphs

This is nothing new. In fact, personally, i tihnk this is just a cover-up, and in a few months time, they'll be posting nV-favoring articles.


Of course, if you beleive that now they don't like nV, and then all of a sudden, they like nV again, you can pretty much guarantee this was all a set-up to "build credibility".


Garbage article...I can't really beleive we even have a thread about it, and I'm an ATI fanboy, through and through.


Doesn't even belong in this section, as it has nothing to do with hardware.

It's funny..even I personally get invited to these events they are complaining about, and I don't have a website. Sounds like they expect everything to be paid for, airfare included.

 

[TIGR]

....I can't really beleive we even have a thread about it, and I'm an ATI fanboy, through and through.


Doesn't even belong in this section, as it has nothing to do with hardware.

I feel it is hardware-related. I can't post in the News section anyway. But if you feel this is so inappropriate, report my original post.

 

[wahdangun]

This is nothing new. In fact, personally, i tihnk this is just a cover-up, and in a few months time, they'll be posting nV-favoring articles.


Of course, if you beleive that now they don't like nV, and then all of a sudden, they like nV again, you can pretty much guarantee this was all a set-up to "build credibility".


Garbage article...I can't really beleive we even have a thread about it, and I'm an ATI fanboy, through and through.


Doesn't even belong in this section, as it has nothing to do with hardware.

It's funny..even I personally get invited to these events they are complaining about, and I don't have a website. Sounds like they expect everything to be paid for, airfare included.

i got your point

but if they do that i think it will destroy their credibility even further.

 

[cadaveca]

I feel it is hardware-related. I can't post in the News section anyway. But if you feel this is so inappropriate, report my original post.

Nah nah..just stating my opinion...you are entitled to yours as well.

As an aside, I suggest you read "Art of War", and then things like this don't seem too doom and gloom...

One question though..how does it relate to hardware? This is about a website's interaction with a manufacturer. Sure, the website reviews hardware, but that's not even what the article is about.

Personally, I don't know where else it would go anyway.

 

[TIGR]

Nah nah..just stating my opinion...you are entitled to yours as well.

As an aside, I suggest you read "Art of War", and then things like this don't seem too doom and gloom...

One question though..how does it relate to hardware? This is about a website's interaction with a manufacturer. Sure, the website reviews hardware, but that's not even what the article is about.

Personally, I

[irrelevant]I have read most of the thirteen chapters of Art of War several times, though not for years.[/irrelevant]

This topic is relevant to the Hardware section because:

1. It is related to a hardware manufacturer's business practices, which are relevant to an informed computer hardware hobbyist.
2. There is also a bit of info on the GTX 465 near the end of the article.

Quite a few others seem to have considered it interesting enough to comment on in the short time it's been posted.

 

[burebista]

Stupid nVidia. First this PhysX "bug" now blacklisting Gabe. Wonderful! What's next? Censoring forums for users speaking bad about their Ferminators?

 

[cadaveca]

I have read most of the thirteen chapters of Art of War several times, though not for years. It's not really relevant here.

However, I feel this topic is relevant to the Hardware section as:

1. It is related to a hardware manufacturer's business practices, which are relevant to an informed computer hardware hobbyist.
2. There is also a bit of info on the GTX 465 near the end of the article.

Looks like plenty of other people have read it and considered it interesting enough to comment on in the short time it's been posted.

Dude, you need to calm down. I called that article garbage, not your thread. Please re-read my post.

I also stated I posted my opinion and you are entitled to yours..there's no need for you to defend yourself here. I'm glad you posted this, as I'll be paying attention to them a bit more now, and I like Gabriel's writing. I jsut don't think it's hardware related, that has no reflection on you posting it..I said I didn't know where else it would go.

Sounds like nV has pissed ya off a bit...but don't take it out on me. I don't like 'em very much either.

EDIT: you edited, but my point remains. None of my comments reflect on you or your posting the info, don't take it personally.

 

[phanbuey]

this kind of douchebaggery really does nothing but lose you clients... its like they have a department that pays people to lose them clients.

I really wanted to buy a 470 and OC that bad boy, but now atfer the PhysX thing and this at least I have an excuse to save my money for a while.

 

[cadaveca]

Review sites shouldn't be getting hardware for free, nor should they complain that they don't. I don't care how much traffic they have...if they cannot turn that huge traffic into revenue to support the site and purchase of review materials, then they need to take free hardware, and then do the work to be entitled to that pay...which would mean reporting what the person paying them asks for.

"LOOK, 7 million people read my words, you must pay me" is all i get out of that article.

They'll get no pity from me.

I mean seriously, if Wizz started a thread and said "Look, i need cash to buy reivew hardware", how many of us would be lined up to help him out?...probably most of us. Lack of free goods is a poor excuse for not reporting relevant info. I mentioned before about sites wearing thier hearts on thier sleeves...it's unprofessional.

They didn't do the job they were paid to do, so now have lost that job, and are complaining? PLEASE.

 

[DRDNA]

THATS IT! THE LAST STRAW FOR ME! I am never buying another Nvidia card again in my life!

Oh wait, thats right I have never purchased an Nvidia card or used one ...lol

 

[burebista]

"LOOK, 7 million people read my words, you must pay me" is all i get out of that article.

Knowing Gabe's PSU reviews I get this from that article:" LOOK, idiots from nVidia ban me because I do not praise their useless stuff like PhysX".

And TBH knowing how nVidia PR is acting in my country I fully believe Gabe.

 

[cadaveca]

Oh, I do not doubt any of that one bit...but the fact remains that he got free hardware to do a specific job, and didn't do that job...so now he doesn't get hardware. It's not surprising...

That free hardware comes out of marketing budgets. He's not providing the proper marketing, so he lost his freebees.

I mean, I've said it before..nV is a sfotware house, not a hardware house...so they want you to hype the software. How come I can understand this, but he doesn't?

And maybe me understanding this is why I get the invites, and he doesn't.

 

[phanbuey]

Its more than just entitled review sites. thats not the point really... NV is not smart with their PR, and never have been. Ever since they dropped 3dfx like a rotting egg and alienated all the hardcore 3dfx fans now they're going to poopoo all these review sites who have forums and forum community members which buy their products in droves.

you gotta ask yourself... for what? they could send this guy one card with a note, saying - please review physX we feel it is a really cool feature if you give it a shot. cost to them? Nothing. Alienation factor: 0. Hell they might even get a good bit of advertising.

I understand your point about the guy not doing a good job - but there are many ways to handle it. They always seem to pick the one that looks the most douchy

 

[cadaveca]

Providing the card, shipping, and the marketing person's time to arrange it, all cost money. Sure, it may generate sales, and THAT might offset any expense, but it still costs nV money.

Doing a good job has nothing to do with it...it's about doing the job you were paid to do. He didn't do part of that job...that's not doing a bad job..that's never completing it! Like why even bother?

I get what you are saying too, but I gotta side with nV on this one. Trying to bully nV into providing more in this fashion does noone any good.

 

[burebista]

Man you miss the starting point.

After we published a review – without any support from them, N.B. – they complained that we didn’t talk about CUDA or PhysX. I replied saying that we weren’t going to talk about these subjects because we thought they were not relevant to the average user, and we usually don’t re-write reviews. I think this is funny, we have to make a lot of effort to get samples because NVIDIA doesn’t help us and then when we publish the review they complain?

 

[TIGR]

For consumers/hobbyists and for the review sites, it's about credibility, honesty, and accurate information. For nVidia, it's about marketing. But the whole independent reviewing process works toward the objectives of everyone involved. Manufacturers like nVidia provide samples of their products to be tested by entities that have the public's trust—thus we get to see how a product really stacks up according to an entity we consider "objective." If said product does well, we buy and nVidia's investment in sending the free sample pays off. But that hinges on us trusting the entity reviewing the product and nVidia's alleged shortsighted actions here boost HS' cred while making nVidia look corrupt and dishonest. So this works against them doubly—given that the alleged actions are exposed to the public.

I posted the link to this article to get it some attention and let people decide for themselves.

Personally I could not care less about ATI vs nVidia FWIW. Before you accuse me of being displeased with nVidia, cadaveca, take a look at the video cards in my sig rigs.

For what it's worth—I don't think any products should be reviewed based on samples sent by the manufacturer. This allows manufacturers to cherry pick the products to be tested. This is why when I personally test components for my computer business, I do so by buying up to six of each product, from different sources (and never from the manufacturer). Doesn't need to be done for things that don't vary much, but for CPUs, memory, PSUs, video cards, etc. ... it makes a difference.