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NVIDIA VS AMD when it comes to driver fact(Who is best for long run)?

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  1. Geekoid New Member

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    Nvidia all the way

    I've done it myself too many times. I've looked at the Radeon cards and compared the "bang for buck" and gone with the card thinking they will have sorted out their drivers. Every time I've been wrong. For me it doesn't matter how fast a card is now - I just want it to let me play my games smoothly and without awful graphics issues, such as artifacting. So my opinion would be Nvidia drivers are far superior (they work)!
     
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    so you want a space heater that eats massive watts just to play games at low res and low details?
    a lot of sacrifices just to be somewhat right. I wouldn't exactly call that working especially since driver support is nonexistent at that point.
     
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    i'm still using my 5850s that came out it 2009. they handle all new games, most at high settings. normally I just turn down shadows & aa and they work. Skyrim with enb and HD textures, etc. name a game that's not modern warfare and i'm playing it at mostly high settings on 2x4 year old cards in crossfire.

    it has nothing to do with me wanting to be right man, i was just speaking as I see it. take it as you will.
     
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    Using my 5850 CF too, even after all this time today's midrange cards struggle to keep up. My games play maxed out. (Max Payne 3, BF3, Serious Sam 3 BF£, Skyrim). I have no reason to upgrade.

    Also had my Athlon II X4 since 2009, runs like butter. Still has another couple of years in it. Already been 4 years, 5-6 years should be a breeze!

    Whilst I do agree I am in the minority, I was careful with my component selection and as very fortunate that games stopped pushing the hardware as of late.
     
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    exactly.
     
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    Once again, you are bending the truth to be somewhat right. The 5850 launched at the end of September in 2009. We are in late March of 2013 so it is about 3.5 years. A far cry from 5-6 years. That fact alone would already reject your statement.

    As availability was tight and the high msrp + markup, I highly doubt that you even bought it at launch. Even if you did, I have extremely high doubt that you bought 2 for CF.

    Let's say you bought the 5850 a few months later from launch(~3 years ago) and then bought a second one for crossfire some 6-12 months later. So now your CF set up is really more like 2.5-2 years old and this is the most likely case.
    There is a possibility of someone buying 2 5850s on launch and paid $700+ for it but those people will not sit on it for 5 years. In fact, after 5 years, your card would already fail or new games, windows, apps, etc... are so glitchy with it that you will probably ditch it before the 5 years. Now you have a power hogging CF set up that is glitchy and you can only play the new titles on medium at best if CF scales.

    So I'll make a bet with you. Stick with your CF set up for 2 more years. Then try to play the latest 3 new AAA titles(not some budget game using quake 3 engine) of early 2015. If you can average 30+ on default high preset of the games then I will buy you the latest CF/SLI set up available at that time. Of course at standard resolution(at least 1080p) too instead of 480p.
     
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    you are 100% right, I am totally wrong. My points were invalid and unworthy, and I should have recognized that immediately. Any piece of hardware that is deemed too old should be burned regardless of whether it works for the owner, or whether or not they have the money to replace it.

    so the only decision now is what's the cut off point? 6 months is a little fast but maybe a year is still new enough? 3 years? does it depend on the card, and what you use it for? does it vary depending on a multitude of factors? does that mean that you made and are now defending an extremely general statement and not even allowing someone else the slight possibility of introducing an alternative point of view?

    whatever dude, i am done with this. have fun arguing with yourself.
     
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    Asking which brand is better is not the question to pose, but rather, within your budget, you should simply attempt to determine the best card available at any given time. Feel free to transpose this newfound knowledge to any grocery shopping that you might engage in.
     
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    Im going to stick with the radeon, amd apis will rule the next 7-10 years of gameing and the radeon isn't short of direct compute power like the nvidia card ( will be extensively used in the future) so games will run better in 3 years, tokyodoung ill be keeping my xfired fives and they will piss a game on high Still in two years, games evolve so slow id expect them to play still in another five , after all where is the average spec going to be, its not going to be galactic in five years, itll be 8 core cpu and dual Apu gfxs.
    Tokyodoung ,, your bordering on troll levels of neg and nonesense , retort away ill be pming you here in, as this constant amd v nv thing is Bs
     
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    Nobody said I had my 5850 CF for 5-6 years. I said I had my Athlon II X4 for 4 years.

    Also, digibucc never said he had his 5850 CF for 5-6 years. He said the 5850 is 4 years old.

    Where did you get 5-6 years from?


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    Huh $700+????

    The release price of the 5850 was $259 each.

    Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/price-increases-for-ati-radeon-hd-5850/7956.html#ixzz2OliijVSI

    Even a single 5850 is as powerful as some of the midrange cards today. A single 5850 would faster than the ATI 6850, GTX 650ti and on par with the 6870 and 7790! Even as as single card its fast enough to play today's games at high not medium.

    Infact, crossfired the 5850 is actually a fair bit faster than your 7850, even with its age and glitches:)
     
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    From me stating hardware lasting 5-6 years is a dream and doesn't happen in real life. And by that i meant, adequate performance and driver support. Then you two clowns reply with "my blahblahblah is bought in 2009...." Chances are you didn't even buy it in 2009 and even slimmer that you bought 2 for CF.

    BTW the maximum possible time you could've possibly own a 5850 is only 3.5 years. That's about 2 years away from the 5-6 yrs estimate.

    Yes MSRP was 259 for 5850 1 GB card at launch. The only cards available to buy were the $350+ ones and those didn't last long either. Unless you preordered or sat on the comp waiting for it to pop up on newegg, you most likely couldn't even buy one without the 100+ premium. Weeks after launch, prices went back down to the high 200s.

    A single 5850 is slightly faster than a 6850 at launch because AMD switch the numbering system. After patches, 6850 seems to be slightly faster on the newer games with newer engines. AMD had already stopped supporting 5000 series. In 2 years, you have to be retarded to keep using it.

    A CF 5850 will be marginally faster than a 7850 while having plenty of bugs and wasting energy. I paid $140 for my 7850 after $20 MIR. I can buy 8850/9850/etc... every cycle and still come out much less than 2X high end cards and hoping for it to last 5+ years.

    Let me fix your statement. "Infact crossfired, 2 X 5850 is actually a fair bit faster than your 7850, if CF scales correctly and there are no glitches"


    Back on topic

    He asked for a solution that will work for 5-6 years without changing parts. The answer is that is not possible.
    And no spending a ton of money now just to have so-so performance in 5 years, no driver support, glitches/bugs, and burning up energy like crazy is not considered working.
    Stop giving people bad advice.
     
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    My 8800GT is still supported!
    =)
     
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    I guess my 4850 is still supported too because it's also in the latest driver package.
     
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    we wouldn't be giving it if it seemed like bad advice. Of course it's more efficient to ride the curve and update every 2 years or so - but only enthusiasts do that. yes we are an enthusiast site but a lot of the questions we get are from the exact opposite.

    So I would say to you don't assume that everyone is in the same position as you - financially or mentally - regarding how often it's worth it to upgrade their machines. when someone asks a question i try to make sure all sides are seen. it was already clearly not likely, what did I say:

    and then continued to note the negatives of it. you act as though I recommended it, when all I did is state the technical possibility so that the situation was clarified. what exactly did i say that was not true?

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    and why not? codblops 2 requires at minimum a 3870! yes it's a cherry picked example but a pretty damn good one. only the most popular game in existence. and it's requirements are lower than yours!

    Of course then the discussion could shift to that being a reason that 5850s still work in itself. when they can port games to low end hardware and make $$$, there is no need to make more demanding games. that's a different discussion though.
     
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    Back under tbe bridge you ,,,,; troll, 5 series xfire is glitch free for me tut uuuu im nay bitein
     
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    I have jumped to ati from nvidia nvidia from ati so many times, I will say in my experience Nvidia has driver support longer for their cards AND I have never had the power down issues and profile issues and screen flashing issues with nvidia like I have with ATI. for me ATI sounded good but was more headache then anything. I got my 560 2gb a year ago and installed the driver. no issues no needing a hotfix or beta driver no problems in over a year.
     
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    I've been using Nvidia and ATI over the last decade. Experienced small issues with both. In the last few years i've been using ATi exclusively, 4850 CF and 5860 CF and I've never had to use a hotfix or beta driver. It just worked.


    Link or it didn't happen. There is no review which shows the 6850 consistantly outperforming the 5850. The 5850 is closer to the 6870, no drivers or tweak would be enough to change that fact.


    Link please.



    I've never experienced any bugs in my 5850 CF. Sorry.

    Also the 5850 CF is a fair bit faster. Not marginally faster.

    If I'm honest I was actually being polite. The 5850 CF would abolishes the 7850.

    The 7850 can't even out perform the ATI 5970 from 2009, whereas teh 5850CF is on par.

    To put things in to perspective. The Nvidia GTX 570 from 2010 out beats the 7850 easily. The 5850 CF destroys the GTX 570.

    The 7850 isn't even competition for the 5850 CF.
     
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    Lol there's a ton of people here that will disagree with you about CF/SLI problems.
    5850 is about 80% performance of a 7850. If I give you an average of 50% improvement with CF then you would still be only 20% faster than a 7850. I wouldn't call that destroying anything considering the negatives you have to endure like price, heat, power, bugs.
    I lost interest since you don't even compare cards in the same league. 570 to a 7850? The 570 still cost much more than a 7850 today. Maybe the # system change from 5k to 6k series confused you.

    Anyways, the original statement is it won't last 5-6 years and still be able to play new games. Which is still true. Stop trying to change the timeline and whatever to make yourself right. Right now, your 5850 is 3.5 yrs at the oldest if you bought on launch day. AMD officially announced it won't be supporting 5k series anymore. Please tell me how many glitches/bugs your CF will have in 2 years without driver support. Every time a new game is launched, there seems to be a basket of bugs that comes with it and especially with CF/SLI. I'm sure you will buy a new card before then.

    I'll compare my 7850 to your 5850 CF in 2 years and we'll see which one still works right.
     
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    This is a list of benchmarked games here on TPU that have some issues with crossfire:

    • Assassin's Creed 3
    • F1 2012
    • Hitman Absolution
    • Skyrim
    • World of Warcraft

    These games were excluded from the latest performance summary, to fairly compare CF to SLI.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were no bugs or glitches, only scaling issues.
     
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    In this thread alone theoneandonlymrk and digibucc and myself are running 5800 series in CF without CF issues and bugs.

    I'm not too fussed if ATI have slowed down with the support. The current drivers run perfect. Why fix perfection.
     
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    So we got 2 biased 5850 CF owners reporting no issues? Great sample set. Try googling "5850 crossfire bugs glitches"

    Last I checked, scaling issues are bugs. At least when I was still writing software, that's what I would call it since I would have to debug the performance loss because it did not work properly.

    Did you even look at the release notes on the driver suite? They fixed a lot of CF bugs, gltiches, performance issues. I don't see how anyone can say CF doesn't have problems when the manufacturers themselves admit there are problems.
    Maybe you waited until you it's fixed before you play the games because I would do the same, but that doesn't negate the fact that it has much more problems than a single card solution.

    Again, stop going on about your perfect 5850 CF set up and whatever. No hardware will last 5-6 years while adequately and reliably work with the newest games. Even if you CF/SLI to keep up with performance, the amount of bugs, glitches or scaling issues will kill your gaming experience.
    Wait 2 years for your 5850CF to meet the 5-6 years timeline and then play the 3 newest games. I promise you that you will have problems with at least 2 of them.

    Who CF/SLI for longevity anyways? People only do that for performance.
     
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    So you know what glitches 3 guys are having better than they do despite not having the hardware, we all get what your saying but your pushing your point too hard and its wrong my old 3870 xfire set lives on and is still game capable though it's low settings now.

    Optimisation stops but once the dtivers stop changeing the devs have a fixed point to build there games around = less issues anyway , and all those issues like lauras hair going crazy get fixed by the dev , well 13.3 helped too which is strange since fives are unsupported in your eyes
    Rubbish meet here one and a half years from now to be embarrassed .ta
     
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    Well i never owned an Nvidia card so i cant really give a valid opinion,all i can say is that i have never had issues with Amd drivers.
     
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    In synopsis some AMD cards run fine some don't in CF with newer drivers it all depends on your specific system.
    My 6870's for example don't run right on my system with new drivers but other ppl with different MB/CPU have no issues with 6870 CF.

    If I recall correctly OP said he wasn't planning on going CF/SLI so this is irrelevant to the thread.
     
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    A few people comes in to say they've never had problems but every month AMD and NVIDIA comes out with drivers and notes saying they've fixed a bunch of bugs lol. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't exist! Unless you are going to tell me that companies just make up problems to solve and burn money?
     
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