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Hi!
I have a Powercolor x1900XTX, and when I loaded up ATiTool (0.25 Beta 15) the dropdown box at the top that has "Default Settings" has them at 500/600 for Core/Memory, but I know the proper default settings are 650/750 for the XTX.

Is this anything to worry about? Will my clock settings always be set like this unless I keep "overclocking them" back to their proper defaults? And is there any way to alter the default so that it is correct again?

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this are 2d and 3d clocks
in windows you have 2d clocks and reduce voltage on your card to save some power and reduce heat on the card in a game the clocks will switch

you can easily view this thing with systool

and yep this is perfectly normal
 

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Thanks for the reply. How do I know if I am changing 2d or 3d clocks?

Also I noticed my card is running at about 68 degrees on idle. Is this normal?

(Forgive me as im a bit of a newbie when it comes to things like this!)
 

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This is odd. When I restart my computer and open up Catalyst Control center and go to the overdrive tab, it also reports the lower clocks of 500/600, and does not let me change them or increase them.

The only way to get CCC to display the proper clock speeds for my card is to open up AtiTool every time i start my computer up which seems to "reset" them to the proper speeds 650/750.

Any ideas?
 
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Hmm I think something is wrong here...
I just loaded ATi Tool and lo and behold it displayed clocks of 500/600. I tried setting them manually to 650/750 and the screen went corrupt and VPU recover activated.

What is happening??
 
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dl systool form techpowerup.com install it go to this page:

then this:



then open a game or something: then it should look like this after playing a while:


then raising graph shows you that youre card switches clocks
 

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Thanks a lot for the reply, i'll give that a go! How can I get overdrive working though? It wont let me change any of the clocks, it's just stuck at 500/600 and wont let me raise them. What do I have to do to get Overdrive to show the normal clocks?

Edit: I tried what you said and my clock did not raise to 650/750 when I played a game. The graph just remained flat. I played the game for about 2 minutes. Should I have played for longer or something or is something messed up?
 
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whatever you do, just do not use atitool and CCC overdrive at the same time (disable ati hotkey poller)
I've even had a fan lockup from this combination, so i see it as a risk for the card if you use both together.
Use one or the other.
 
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okay when the clocks not raise then you did something wrong^^
was atitool on while playing?
and is this service on on your system?
 

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Hi.

Yes, I have "ATi Hotkey Poller" which is currently enabled on Automatic. Should I set it to disabled and then restart the computer or something?

ATi Tool was not on while I was playing. Just the systool program.
 
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I have that exact same power supply I think. I hope to god that I don't have to send this card back. It ran fine on my friend's system. I might try the laborous task of reinstalling windows - perhaps this may help?


Edit: I have just found this on the Hiper website:
4.HIPER Type R 580W series does not support Intel Pentium Extreme Edition CPU (dual core) as it requires EPS12V (i.e. an 8 pin ATX +12V connector). Type R 580W series does not provide 8 pin ATX +12V connector.

I have a Dual Core Conroe processor, would this be causing the problems I am experiencing? I am only using a 4-pin connector to my motherboard's 8-pin connector (a cap covers the other 4-pins next to it) as my power supply only comes with that (although I can order an adapter online - I might give that a try). This may solve any power issues.
 
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I think they specifically mean the Pressler 965 Pentuim 4 EE dual core, as the Conroe 6800 draws less power, but I don't know for sure - you'd probably have to send a note to Hiper. Coincidentally, I saw the same thing on the Hiper site - I have an RMA for the Hiper too, because I cannot be sure if it's the PSU or the card!

There is another thread here:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=17445

...where someone is having 2D/3D issues with an X1900XT and has the same PSU, but they seemed to have straightened it out.
 

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RMA'ing this card is going to be a nightmare if i'm going to have to do that, as I didn't buy it from a specific retailer, so I seem to have nowhere to RMA to apart from ATi perhaps, or Powercolor, and the postage charges are going to be a complete nightmare, and I certainly can't afford to throw away money sending millions of heavy components around the world unfortunately.

I think I'll try reinstalling windows and see if that helps. But something very odd is going on here.
 
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I actually tried reinstalling widows witht the same results. :cry: I wish I could find a different PSU locally to try this with... I'd be way happy if that was all it is.

One other thing I was thinking of trying was unplug the dedicated PCIe connector and use the twin connector to two other separate cables...

The conicidence with the Hiper PSU is too much to ignore.
 

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That's an idea.

How did you monitor the power your card was drawing? I'd like to know how to do the same for my card as well.
I've ordered that adapter thing that lets me use an 8 pin 12v connector on my motherboard. I doubt it'll do anything but I'll give it a try, it was only about ÂŁ8, should arrive tomorrow. If things haven't sorted out by then i'll let you know how it goes, but again I doubt anything would have happened.
 
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I just went to a local vendor and picked up a 600W X-finity $120 USD... they have a 10-day no hassle return policy. I'm going to slap that in (I hope tonight) and I will definitely let you know how it goes. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I haven't tried measuring the Voltages at all... probably should. ATITool was reporting a massive 30Amp draw when I had the 3D view working... I guess that's normal... in one screen shot on TPU, I saw a 35.5A draw! if all that is on the 12v rails, then there's ony 8 amps to spare for everything else. :eek:
 

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Thanks for letting me know - hope it goes well. Good idea about taking advantage of the no-hassle return policy! We don't have many things like that in the UK over here, it's a big hassle if you want to return something. Everything is so much more expensive too :mad: oh how I wish i lived in the USA!
 

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I think I may have found a solution!

Basically from what I have read (hopefully this applies to you too), our computer doesn't seem to be able to detect the 3d mode when a game starts. In my case I think this might have been a bug in either Atitool or Ati Tray tools that I have installed, but anyway.

If you follow this guide you should be able to run your card at its 3D speeds:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=gethowto&number=3&howtopage=162&howtoID=61

It involves stopping the ati service which causes "3d detection" and manually setting the voltages and clock speeds for 3d detection in Ati tool.

It currently seems the only solution for me until I find out why I am remaining in 2d clock by default. I hope it also works for you! I haven't tried it in a game yet however, so i shall do that shortly. I don't have 3dMark to test it with unfortunately so I can't look on there (it's too big for me to download until I upgrade my broadband).

I hope that guide helps for you! Give it a try.

P.S. I have noticed my card is drawing 32.7A since I have increased the clock to the intended speeds and opened the 3d view. Is this normal?
 

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Alright I tried playing a game and it was noticeably smoother and faster - what i would expect an X1900 XTX to be like. However I did notice my card was going into the 90 degrees while the game was playing. Is this normal?
 
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Wow, sounds like you are having much better luck than I... If I simply open the 3D view in ATITool (beta 16), my system will hang, then screen goes blank.

I've heard of some people hitting over 100c with the X1900 cards. I'd advise setting the ATITool fan control to run higher that the stock values. (one of my favorite ATITool features!).
 

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FF2k - When your card was stuck in 2D mode what sort of performance were you getting in games and what games were they?

I thought my problem was fixed but i feel as though my card isnt running at its full potential.
 

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Well I only have one game that currently works - Oblivion. It ran quite smooth although I felt it was definately not at its full potential. Now it is a lot smoother, with the only stutters being the hard-drive ones.

I do also have Far Cry but that crashes on load, so I can't try with that.
 
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