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Official AMD Radeon 6000 Series Discussion Thread

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  1. TheMailMan78

    TheMailMan78 Big Member

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    cadaveca I think we are arguing the same thing in different ways. I agree with you 100% that unless the 69xx series doesn't one up the 480 by at least 30% Ill call BS on AMD.

    In all honesty I think we will see up to 35% or maybe even 40% in some cases with the 69xx series over the 480. Otherwise they wouldn't be screwing around with the names.
     
  2. bear jesus

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    I assume you mean every high end card on launch thus you would not have cared about the 6870 no matter what, but how can you say you will be ignoring the 6970 launch when you don't even know how powerful it will be?
     
  3. cadaveca

    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Because I can make an "educated" guess, and even the most optimistic of those guesses will not be enough for me.

    There's only so much technology in existence, and anything new, gets patented. So it's quite easy to look at the market, what's available, find out what's possible, and go from there. I didn't know what nV's price drop was going to be, pretty much to the dollar, for any other reason than that's what made the most sense.


    Sometimes, something comes that is really surprising, but really...that doesn't happen all that often.

    And no, not just high-end cards...but mostly, yes.
     
  4. TheMailMan78

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    If I'm right can I rub it in?
     
  5. cadaveca

    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    LoL...only if you realize you rubbing it in isn't even gonna give me pause...:laugh:

    Just be sure that you aren't swallowing some troll bait. ;)




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    If shader architecture scales well from 6870 the new card should be 20% better than gtx 480, how ever that does not take into account rop counts and memory band width and crap like that.

    That is if stuff like this even scales like that. heh.
     
  7. TheMailMan78

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    I like living in my bubble. Its warm in here.
     
  8. cadaveca

    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    I'm gonna leave this thread now, till maybe the new cards come out, but I gots one last thing to say...


    GF104 & Barts = not square chips(ie rectangular). Find out why, and you'll know why Cayman is most likely gonna be skipped by me.


    Also, noone has mentioned that the new displayport 1.2 does 3 monitors with one onboard mini-dp connector, but only using a device that doesn't exist on the market at the moment(MST Hub, available 2011), or monitors that do not exist either(DP1.2 monitors with daisychain ports, ETA unknown)?

    And how does this affect Eyefinity?

    Also, only one DVI is dual-link...not both...so using 2xDVI and one DP, max Eyefinity res is 5760x1200...

    Oh, and a link:

    http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/AMD_Radeon_Display_Technologies_WP.pdf

    Why would I skip Cayman? :laugh: Should be kinda obvious, now....:laugh:
     
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    Eyefinity is not enough? Did you want a res higher than 3xFull HD? :D
     
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    So, I take from this that TheMailMan enjoys giving backrubs and bubble baths. Cadaveca will allow TheMailMan to give the backrub, but then is going to leave.

    I had an ex girlfriend who left me for pretty much the same reason. Be gentle you two. :p
     
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    @DD

    How much of a difference over that 460 1GB?

    Who are you kidding?? DD, an overclocker? I havent seen him overclock in a LOOONNNGGG time. :p
     
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    Not at first. Going to be testing it out at stock with some two's. Starcraft 2, Bad Company 2, and Mafia 2.

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    Very nice and can Asus package and item or what
     
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    Awesome pic's, but once again there is another reason for me to be jelous of you... i want your torture rack :p
     
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    That turtle sure does look happy
     
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    CDdude55 Crazy 4 TPU!!!

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    That looks so hawt!!!:)
     
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    All wrong. (5D yes but no updated tessellator)

    All the reviews I briefed through expecting to say what some of the technical changes that were made to Barts (over Cypress/Juniper) were non existent (have not got a chance to read W1zz's yet). Today TR posted their review of the Barts cards and finally got some detail on what changed.

    Result:
    ....and about the dispatchers and rasters?:
    So wtf changed?!:
    In other words we did some minor tweaks to the shaders and cut FP64 to save on transistor count. Anand gets it right we he states that "Barts is a very direct descendant of Cypress". Reason being is that nothing really changed! Most of the changes were to the display output and some other minor things.

    The shader changes made to Barts helps throughput and thread management of tessellation. TR shows ~40% increase in performance in the Heaven bench using heavy tessellation at 1280x720. Sounds awesome until you realize its a 10fps improvement over ~20 and the exact same percent increase is seen from a GTX 460 768MB to a GTX 470. Barts is still triangle setup limited which is why there is no real improvement when it comes to heavy tessellated games.

    Barts appears to really just be a 5850 with less shaders but a higher core clock that makes up the difference. Since it has less shaders and kicked FP64 to the curb it also has a smaller die. Thanks to TSMC screwing 32nm we all get meh from video cards this time around.
     
  20. MxPhenom 216

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    Leaked HD6970 Results

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    I dont think this is reliable, but if its true then ati messed up look at the TDP thats what the GTX480 is isnt it? And my GTX470 gets 32 FPS with the same settings with Tesselation on Extreme. So their GTX480 score isnt accurate

    If nvidia can drop the price on the 480 to be below the 6970 launch price then ati may be screwed
     
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    Lets leave the speculation to BTA for the front page news.



    At the moment, this thread (along with any others like it) are just troll magnets and as a result, anyone with any sense wont be replying to save themselves an argument*.






    *I guess I have no sense lol



    Edit: This post was moved from a thread created by the user above, sorry if it offends any one or looks out of place. :)
     
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    MxPhenom 216 Corsair Fanboy

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    way to just completely bombard my thread
     
  23. AthlonX2

    AthlonX2 HyperVtX™

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    Chiphell usually has a good source on ATI cards,if these are true in the slightest bit it's fail for ati only 10% faster than 480 is weaksauce.
     
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    Yeah the the GTX580 could be 20% or 30% faster then the 480!

    I already promised myself im going to skip out on the next gen cards from either nvidia or ati and just get another GTX470 since it seems more and more console ports are going to be coming out so i could jsut live with sli for like 2 or 3 more years. im pretty sure even BF3 or Crysis 2 wont be able to put 470 sli to its kneeze
     
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    calling these cards weaksauce is not quite accurete BUT i get what you are saying and i agree !
     

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