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Hey look what I found.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...A32-MVP+DELUXE/WIFI-AP&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

This explains why I can't overclock more than 2.8Ghz. I have a weak core thats holding back all my other cores. Thats why I would keep getting the Secondary Processor BSOD like them. This is both good news and bad news. Now hopefully I can reach 3Ghz, but unfortunately not all of the cores will be lol.
 
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Yup guys thats it. If you can't overclock past 2.8Ghz or 2.6ghz its because of the faulty Core 2.

Just google BSOD Clock Interrupt Phenom to see a load of pissed of people just like me. I thought I was going crazy but it just seems that amd pulled a fast one on me.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/248265-28-phenom-exposed-shipping-flaky-cores

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=175878

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=543578

This explains why AMD was eager to release a Tri Core CPU since basicly they were already selling them disguise as quad core Phenoms.

The TLB bug was the least of people worries.

If I can I am going to RMA mine since I have a faulty core (unlucky I guess).
 

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just state you have a faulty core, dont say your overclocking because neither AMD or intel cover overclocking.
 
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Oops, gents sorry about the second clock I want you guys to do. When using the 8x multi you should drop the ram speed down to 1:1 (400Mhz) so that way you're not stopped by your ram speed. That should give you a much higher Bus speed that you can achieve. I'm gonna get back at mine as it's been a while since I did it last but I got much higher on 8x than what you guys are getting. Then again if I remember correctly I got higher than you on 12.5x as well but not mind blowingly.

Be back...

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Well i have 2 options here

1st Option, 9850/9950BE, AM2+ Mobo 790, 4870 Graphics
2nd Option AM3 45nm BE/FX, AM2+ Mobo 790, 4870 Graphics.
 

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Max HT Bus 243Mhz

I say 1st option with a 790GX board or get a 790FX to start with.

Wow...you guys will hate me I didn't realize I said to leave the Northbridge and HT Link stock for a second...well...ummm....look at my results. F*cked up part is that I'm still running this setting right now...I guess the master has to always remain greater than the student eh?

I'm sorry :)

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Edit: Max speed 243Mhz though I got 244Mhz into Vista but it reset while I was saving :( Still...beat that :p
 

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well im going with Faith the AM3 45nm cpus will be far better than the 65nm were, because AMDs hayday was the 90nm, 65nm wasnt due to the funky multipliers required to be used, phenom quad only matching up to a c2 duo, performance wise, Reason i say BE/FX is because the CPUs im going for are unlocked, and that multiplier does increase performance considerably.
 

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...Reason i say BE/FX is because the CPUs im going for are unlocked, and that multiplier does increase performance considerably.

Ain't that the truth, I think you are very right with the AM3 processors though I'm still rather shocked how well these AM2+ processors run considering they're in all truth just a revision of the old AM2 chips so to speak. AM3 should be beastly indeed since I'm very very happy with AM2+ rigth now.

Okay final results for my system were just what I remembered. Max HT Bus speed was 266Mhz on 8x multiplier.

Once and for all the 'rules' for checking the 8x multiplier and HT Bus test are...

1. 8x CPU multiplier

2. 1.30v (stock cpu voltage not auto)

3. Northbridge and HT Link mutliplier 5x (1Ghz setting)

4. Ram divider 400Mhz (that is 1:1) with 2T enabled

Okay that's it and you should get a much higher bus speed with those guidelines, this may help some people to get better high speed clocks as it can show you the flexibility of your system once you know the max HT Bus speed you can use which of course is highly important in achieving the max clock you can. It'll also show you if you ram sucks haha :p

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kei try upping the multi by .5
 

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Why is it when I use AOD to change a single core's multi, it locks up hardcore and blows the headphones off my head?
 

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On which setting the 8x or the 12.5x setting? I'm about to eat but I'll try it out for you just let me know which one.

I believe on the 8x I'd have to drop the HT Bus by about 5Mhz and likewise on the 12.5x in order to get them to run especially the 12.5x setting as that would be 3.15Ghz which I can indeed run but not at that voltage.

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Why is it when I use AOD to change a single core's multi, it locks up hardcore and blows the headphones off my head?

Not sure, are you using the 2.0.17 version that I have (never has problems) or the beta version? Either way you're cheating as you're supposed to be using the bios for this test ;) :slap:

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what i meant was the 8.5 setting
 

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No no, Im testing the theory on the core 2 being faulty.
 
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Ah, okay now I got what you both were saying. I'll let you know Eida

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No, you're fine from what I see as you're able to get a drop of 5% but anything more than that and you're in a bad situation. But know that you may be limited in what you can achieve overclock wise by your PSU and motherboard if they don't both hold up to it.

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LOL, thanks kei, that worked. 2.0.17 is much better! :D

I've got my watercooling kit all set up and cleaned. Monday Im dropping off my waterblock at my parents house and my dad is going to shave off as much metal as he can. So monday I'll be installing the water... :ekk:

Also! I dont have a water cooling reservoir so I made one out of a old ice tea pitcher and this will be the coolest part...I can add as much ice to it as I want. AND! Its fairly large so theres much volume to be heated before I can worry about anything. again...Im testing the block with ice right now to make sure no condensation will appear as taht would be dire. Anyways...back to work!
 

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Adding the ice is risky. I added one cup and it dropped temps nicely without giving off any moisture however, after four cups, temps are near freezing and there is condensation everywhere. lol

Would be wicked to put this on there tho. the block is so COLD!!!
 
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I'm asking this because, when my GTs @ 700/1000 + CPU @ 2,7GHz, it's perfect stable.
When I started to get the CPU to 2,8GHz, and inreased vcore, anytime I tried to run 3dmark, it gave me the display driver stopped working.
After that I reduced the GTs clock to @ 650/950 + CPU @ 2,8GHz, it able to passed the 3DMark (2006, Vantage) tests.
There is no nForce AM2+ mobo at this moment that worth to buy yet. I want the nForce mobo because of my VGAs.
The 750a can not compare to my current mobo, and the 780a is too expensive.
I don't think I'm going to spend over 200usd just to be able to OC this CPU 200-300 more MHz.
I would go with AMD chipset If my Vga cards are ATI, so that not an option.
I'm able to reach 235x12 = 2820MHz on this M2N32, and with me it's really good result, I'm just making sure, if my PSU is holding me back. Because if it's not, then I don't have to spend hours at night messing with the bios.
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Ha, sweet idea/execution you've got going there Vis but like you already know don't get too greedy and risk killing everything from condensation. :D

I saw your HT Bus test stopping at 226Mhz and 2.825Ghz but is that also the highest overclock you were able to get at all (any settings)? You all know my highest overclock is north of 3.1Ghz but my max overclock w/o changing anything but HT Bus settings is only 3.037Ghz (243*12.5x...the 244Mhz run doesn't count).

How many of us can get our max HT Bus speed to get close to our max clocks...and how close can we get w/o raising voltages or dropping anything else? I came pretty close to my max clock and almost (244Mhz if it was stable would match it) got what the 9950BE got in the Legit Reviews article (3.054Ghz max w/o multi or voltage changes).

When I was using a 9500 on the board (B2 stepping) I achieved a max HT Bus speed of 273Mhz stable (275Mhz max from what I remember) after stability testing on a 9.5x multiplier. Interesting the change between the two processors...and the 9500 did it on 1.248v! Funny...I remember people crying they just wouldn't overclock either, weird how all my Phenom's go juuuuust fine. :D

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I'm asking this because, when my GTs @ 700/1000 + CPU @ 2,7GHz, it's perfect stable.
When I started to get the CPU to 2,8GHz, and inreased vcore, anytime I tried to run 3dmark, it gave me the display driver stopped working.
After that I reduced the GTs clock to @ 650/950 + CPU @ 2,8GHz, it able to passed the 3DMark (2006, Vantage) tests.
There is no nForce AM2+ mobo at this moment that worth to buy yet. I want the nForce mobo because of my VGAs.
The 750a can not compare to my current mobo, and the 780a is too expensive.
I don't think I'm going to spend over 200usd just to be able to OC this CPU 200-300 more MHz.
I would go with AMD chipset If my Vga cards are ATI, so that not an option.
I'm able to reach 235x12 = 2820MHz on this M2N32, and with me it's really good result, I'm just making sure, if my PSU is holding me back. Because if it's not, then I don't have to spend hours at night messing with the bios.
And thanks ^^.


Kid, do you use SLI or or have any plans for multi gpu setups? If not then the ASUS 790FX board (M3A32) is far and away better than what you're on right now both in speed and ability. But if you're trying to save money then I can understand not upgrading the motherboard...but even at stock your Phenom would be faster on one of the 790FX boards.

And I completely agree that your clock is a very good one indeed. :)

K
 
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LOL, thanks kei, that worked. 2.0.17 is much better! :D

I've got my watercooling kit all set up and cleaned. Monday Im dropping off my waterblock at my parents house and my dad is going to shave off as much metal as he can. So monday I'll be installing the water... :ekk:

Also! I dont have a water cooling reservoir so I made one out of a old ice tea pitcher and this will be the coolest part...I can add as much ice to it as I want. AND! Its fairly large so theres much volume to be heated before I can worry about anything. again...Im testing the block with ice right now to make sure no condensation will appear as taht would be dire. Anyways...back to work!

when i had the older version of AOD, I had the same problem, it used to lock up everytime when adjusting something. I got the new one now and it works great. Hasnt locked up yet.
 
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Kid, do you use SLI or or have any plans for multi gpu setups? If not then the ASUS 790FX board (M3A32) is far and away better than what you're on right now both in speed and ability. But if you're trying to save money then I can understand not upgrading the motherboard...but even at stock your Phenom would be faster on one of the 790FX boards.

And I completely agree that your clock is a very good one indeed. :)

K

I have SLI, that's even worse to move to AMD... I don't want to sell those GTs now, they quite new, and if i want to sell them, its going to break my heart, due the low prices. :cry:
 
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