Phenom II vs Core i7

n-ster · Apr 10, 2010

not gaming performance... pure raw performance

TheMailMan78 · Apr 10, 2010

Wile E said:
How do you know he doesn't want CUDA or Physx?

It's still a tough call in my opinion. The 480 performs better, plain and simple. Some people just don't care about consumption. I don't. In fact, my card actually pulls MORE power than the 480. The only reason I don't buy one is the performance difference to my card isn't high enough for the price. I'm waiting till next gen.

The only reason I suggested a 5870 to him over the 480 is he has a hot running case, as evidenced by his 4850 temps, and I don't know what psu he intends to go with.

I don't really care about the consumption ether. Its that damn 80 bucks extra for like 10% increase over a stock 5870. With a very mild OC that 5870 will put you in a 480 performance bracket. The 480 sucks for the money. THATS plain and simple.

You know it and I do.

beyond_amusia · Apr 10, 2010

If you have $2000 then get an i7 920.

bobzilla2009 · Apr 10, 2010

if you're a gamer, get a phenom II X4. If you like to do lots of video encoding then get an i7. But i assume you want to be gaming. Therefore buy a phenom II X4, or just wait for the phenom II X6's to come out soon. AFAIK they'll still cost less than an i7.

Monkey_Business · Apr 10, 2010

bobzilla2009 said:
if you're a gamer, get a phenom II X4. If you like to do lots of video encoding then get an i7. But i assume you want to be gaming. Therefore buy a phenom II X4, or just wait for the phenom II X6's to come out soon. AFAIK they'll still cost less than an i7.

The 6-core AMD chips have lower stock clock speeds, I think below 3 GHz. This is to cut down on the large heat output on the hexacores.

Would Six cores affect gaming performance in any way? Even quad cores hardly effect games. Most games are only coded to run on Two CPU cores. With the exception of a number of PC games I can count on a single hand, like GTA 4 and World in Conflict. Even Crysis only uses Two cores.

I doubt having Six cores will give your games a boost.

FreedomEclipse · Apr 10, 2010

bobzilla2009 said:
if you're a gamer, get a phenom II X4. If you like to do lots of video encoding then get an i7. But i assume you want to be gaming. Therefore buy a phenom II X4, or just wait for the phenom II X6's to come out soon. AFAIK they'll still cost less than an i7.

O B J E C T I O N

If you are a gamer - it would be a better idea to get the i7 (or i5 if your on a budget) because its not just raw performance. i7 & i5's excel in most fields that it is applied to respectively

heres a few gaming benchmarks

Encoding benches

(Special thanks to bit-tech.net)

even when overclocked - it still gets out paced by a Q9650 though not by much - but A Q9650 would probably clock a few 100mhz higher then that 965BE would.

If you got the money to spend - Id definitely go for an i7 930 without a second thought.

mdsx1950 · Apr 10, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
My budget is $2,000 not a penny over. I am using this computer almost entirely for gaming. Does the i7 really put out that much gaming performance than an AMD X4 965 BE?

$2k is more than enough to get some good stuff. Go with AMD so you can upgrade some other stuff. But pick up a good Mobo that will support the X6 series so you got room to upgrade..

But i'd go with i7 (i'm kindoff an intel fanboy

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TheMailMan78 · Apr 10, 2010

FreedomEclipse said:
O B J E C T I O N

If you are a gamer - it would be a better idea to get the i7 (or i5 if your on a budget) because its not just raw performance. i7 & i5's excel in most fields that it is applied to respectively

heres a few gaming benchmarks

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/FinalFreedomEclipse/X3-1.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/FinalFreedomEclipse/Crysis-1.jpg

Encoding benches

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/FinalFreedomEclipse/GIMP.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/FinalFreedomEclipse/Encoding.jpg

(Special thanks to bit-tech.net)

even when overclocked - it still gets out paced by a Q9650 though not by much - but A Q9650 would probably clock a few 100mhz higher then that 965BE would.

If you got the money to spend - Id definitely go for an i7 930 without a second thought.

For gaming is doesn't matter. I can post gaming benches where the PII beats an i7. Just go with what you want. If you want raw power go with an i7. If you want to be "OC friendly" and a tad bit cheaper then go PII. You can't lose with ether.

Spend your money on a good GPU however. You could have a mainframe for a CPU but if your GPU sucks then it will make no difference.

bobzilla2009 · Apr 10, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
For gaming is doesn't matter. I can post gaming benches where the PII beats an i7. Just go with what you want. If you want raw power go with an i7. If you want to be "OC friendly" and a tad bit cheaper then go PII. You can't lose with ether.

Spend your money on a good GPU however. You could have a mainframe for a CPU but if your GPU sucks then it will make no difference.

indeed, you can always pull benchies to support your argument no matter the viewpoint. The i7 and PII are pretty much equal for gaming, and the i7 is generally better for some other things. Is it really noticeable to a normal gamer user (i.e. someone who plays games and doesn't obsess over 2 fps difference)? no, is it worth the extra money for the overall platform for a gamer? in my opinion absolutely not.

Crysis is also limited by its inability to use more than one core well (physics runs on only one core, leaving the others idling effectively). Overall, spend that extra £200 for the i7 platform on a better gpu and be happier!

crazyeyesreaper · Apr 10, 2010

i have to agree crysis uses 1-2 cores max on my system to the point the cpu cant feed my gpus fast enough cause the game dosent effectively use multiple cores. eitherway in general a better gpu gives better frame rates in games even Metro2033 show very little variation as it only uses 2 cores max. So even todays most demanding titles cant really effectively use a PII or an i7 except in rare cases and even then those games are older and are not very demanding on current hardware

eidairaman1 · Apr 10, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
I don't really care about the consumption ether. Its that damn 80 bucks extra for like 10% increase over a stock 5870. With a very mild OC that 5870 will put you in a 480 performance bracket. The 480 sucks for the money. THATS plain and simple.

You know it and I do.

Not to mention power bill will increase significantly

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

phenom II vs ic ore 7 is over rated there's no program's or games that support 8 theards ect so there for phenom II isnt that far off

Monkey_Business · Apr 11, 2010

Should I get a Phenom II and Two HD 5850's and crossfire them?

I should still be below 2K right?

What PSU would your recommend for Two HD 5850's in xfire?

Would x2 5850's outperform a single 5870?

Kantastic · Apr 11, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
Should I get a Phenom II and Two HD 5850's and crossfire them?

I should still be below 2K right?

Yes, there won't be any bottleneck and you'd get the same gaming performance as you would with an i7.

Budget wise you should be under 2K, that's if you spend wisely. Don't buy a 8272058 watt power supply and a 512MB SSD or anything.

erocker · Apr 11, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
1. Should I get a Phenom II and Two HD 5850's and crossfire them?

2. I should still be below 2K right?

3. What PSU would your recommend for Two HD 5850's in xfire?

4. Would x2 5850's outperform a single 5870?

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Everybody loves Corsair. 650w plus will do.

4. Yes

MoonPig · Apr 11, 2010

Kantastic said:
Yes, there won't be any bottleneck and you'd get the same gaming performance as you would with an i7.

Budget wise you should be under 2K, that's if you spend wisely. Don't buy a 8272058 watt power supply and a 512MB SSD or anything.

They sell them? Must be getting desperate now... lol.

750w would be more than enough for that setup matey

Get something like:

Seasonic, Silverstone, Corsair, Enermax.

Kantastic · Apr 11, 2010

erocker said:
3. Everybody loves Corsair. 650w plus will do.

Right-o.

I personally bought a Corsair HX850 because it's the highest rated PSU by Corsair that's made by Seasonic and carries a 7 year warranty versus the HX1000's 5 year warranty, which is unsurprisingly made by CWT. I think you'll be well off with an HX750 though, again, made by Seasonic w/ a 7 year warranty. I probably won't ever see over 550W on my unit... I'm starting to regret not buying a 750.

MoonPig said:
They sell them? Must be getting desperate now... lol.

750w would be more than enough for that setup matey

I meant GB.

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

for your specs is not needed to buy such a psu

alexsubri · Apr 11, 2010

Monkey_Business said:
Should I get a Phenom II and Two HD 5850's and crossfire them?

I should still be below 2K right?

What PSU would your recommend for Two HD 5850's in xfire?

Would x2 5850's outperform a single 5870?

For the Love of God

look at my system spec's they cost me around $2300 ... you will never regret it. My system can shake a stick and take a $h%t at any program and video game, check out my video game montages!

And yest 5850 is faster than one 5870

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

hows that possible cause your 5850 is overclock, ps i waiting for a feedback if i should buy a 5850 or not

eidairaman1 · Apr 11, 2010

I suspect his Ram and Video card to have driven the price over 2000 USD easily and depending on where he shopped. Corsair Dominators are Pricey for the performance you get, Ive done comparisons on the past and Dominators are not worth it especially when you have ram that performs the same but at 400 Dollars less.

n-ster · Apr 11, 2010

I must warn you though... the PII 955/965 isn't a big step up from what you have now... Do you really need to replace your whole computer?

You could just move everything you have in your HAF 932, add a nice CPU cooler, and a 5970 or 2x 5850 if your motherboard supports it... But a 5970 isn't much more expensive than 2x 5850... Used or new, you can probably get it around 650$ http://www.provantage.com/asus-eah5970g2dis2gd5~AASU916V.htm

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

bottom line monkey if u don't overclock your cpu to reach the max potential of your ati hd 5750 then there's not point in jumping to a new vider card if u cant surpass the bottleneck of the cpu

n-ster · Apr 11, 2010

Corduroy_Jr said:
bottom line monkey if u don't overclock your cpu to reach the max potential of your ati hd 5750 then there's not point in jumping to a new vider card if u cant surpass the bottleneck of the cpu

His CPU is NOT bottlenecking him atm... If you gets an HD 5970, a OC to 3.2Ghz should releave the bottleneck in that case... but the 5750 is definitively NOT bottlenecked by his CPU atm

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

thats agreed with ht at 8 threads yes

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