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  1. CrAsHnBuRnXp

    CrAsHnBuRnXp

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    Okay, so I hate the way that this DFI x38 overclocks 45nm CPU's. There is so much shit you have to do and so much time to tweak every option in this damn boards BIOS that it gives me a headache and I dont want to put up with it anymore. Ive posted over at DFI-Club and this guy as the x48 based board and he has been tweaking GTL's till it comes out of his ass and he still doesnt have a stable overclock and he is going on two and a half weeks now.

    Now im looking back over towards the SLi area. Ive been wanting to go SLi with my 8800GT for shits and giggles.

    My question is how well do the 780i's overclock quad core's compared to that of the 750I? Whats the performance gap? I know I can get 3.6Ghz out of this chip, but because I lack the time and expertise to fiddle with the damn memory and GTL crap in the BIOS, it wont stay stable.

    Im not giong to end up spending 18months trying to figure out how to get a stable OC on this board. It's just not worth it. I never had to mess with that shit with my Q6600, but now I do with this chip. Its weird.

    Suggestions?

    TIA.

    -Crash
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    Polaris573 Senior Moderator

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    My 780i board had a number of unrecognizable barely documented features as well. I'm not sure how much better off you will be.
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    First of all DFI X38 is not shit. It is made for extreme overclocking. More then 1000 options are in the bios. For the SLI board just get 780i but if ur going ddr3 go with 790i (but theres no reason for that to have ddr3 with a Q6600).
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    Note DDR3 is still a heavy waste of money... You gain next to nill and the cost is still outrageous!
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    Not sure of other brands, but I myself have had endless problems with an ASUS Striker II
    780i board, could not OC a Q6600 G0 at all and eventually stopped working. I managed to get a refund and am purchasing a 790i board, from the reports I have read, the new chipset overclocks quads pretty well, on par with the intel chipsets.
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    I never said the x38 was "shit." I said that there was so much shit in the BIOS that I had to tweak just to get an overclock stable its pathetic. Which goes back to your statement about the "1000 options in the bios." :)

    Cant really overclock to the extreme if I cant get the CPU there. ;)

    Im not spending a crap load of money on DDR3. Not worth it at the current price/performance.

    I dont have a Q6600 anymore.

    Agreed. See statement above. :toast:

    Seems like board choices are pretty slim.

    I heard the same about 790i, but I just dont have the dough to spend on 4GB of DDR3.

    Any recommendations?
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    I have heard the most cost effective solution to the newer nVidia chipsets is the 750i. Overclocks just as good (if not better) but a little bit cheaper. Granted you will notice they run 8x+8x 2.0 SLi.
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    The ASUS striker II is supposed to be pretty terrible. The MSN P7N Diamond is supposedly the best of the 780i boards from what I've read. Personally I wouldn't get a 780i board but MSI gave me this one because they screwed me over so bad during the RMA process. The 780i chipset seems to be rather hobbled together since it's basically a 680i chipset with an overclocked PCI-E bus to provide PCI-E 2.0 and a third chip to add the extra slots. Seems rather shaky to me. Unfortunately if you want SLI and don't want to shell out for 790i it's still your best bet. Althougth the 750i boards are supposed to be good as well.
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    I think the new EVGA 750i FTW motherboard is 16x+16x 2.0
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    wait for intel's p45 chipset motherboards to come out. dfi's are known for their complex and powerful bioses. very very powerful... if you can figure out how to work them :p i know sneekypeet is a master with dfi bioses and im sure he can help you out with the settings and all.
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    dude you'll be lucky to get 3.6 on that chip stable because it's well documented that the q9450 and most of the newer 45nm quads do not oc very well.
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    I wasnt really thinking about the FTW board. I was more thinking of the P7N platinum. I heard it does 16x+8x+8x or soemthing. I dunno ...
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    Until Intel chipsaets can support SLI functionality its very choice limited. Some 780i brands (I'm not sure) seem to gain reasonable quad OC's such as Evga, XFX ect. Don't go the Stiker II Formula for christ sakes!!!!
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    what about going old school :D

    Im doing prime right now for 3.2GHz for someone that has same mobo and Q9450 but it can get 3.6GHz and 3.8 for benching

    and I redid the vdroop today and now it has less drop and it gets more vcore on load then it droping more :rockout:

    so right now its at 1.192v bios 1.2v idel 1.184v

    also got the new bios for this mobo 1230 damn asus didnt know what I was talking about but ppl on there fourm where saying they got it

    but im happy with mine sorry your not thats one thing stoping me at getting a new mobo to much crap in it

    oh missed the SLi part :p well its fun for benching but a faster single card is better IMO
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    CrAsHnBuRnXp

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    I wouldnt get Asus anyway.

    If I can get 3.6, it would be nice. I was able to bench at 3.6Ghz and have my card overclocked and got abour 14800 in 06. Thats 2x what I got in 06 with my Q66 with a LOT less heat at faster speeds.
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    I can no longer go by the settings you or anyone else has unless its a DFI x38/x48 board because of the memory settings and GTL voltages I have to mess with. Its a major pain in the ass. Its surprising because I didnt have to mess with those settings with my Q6600 but I do with my X3350. I cant figure out why that is. Usually, I can just up the FSB along with some voltages and mess with the ram speeds and im off to bench/run prime. That isnt the case now.

    Check this guys OC log on my thread on DFI-Club. Its insane. He's been going at this two weeks and still empty handed.
    Code:
    1.225core, 1.379nb ,1.114vtt
    420
    72-72-77 =  16min
    
    1.250core, 1.456nb ,1.200vtt
    420
    76-76-76 =  1min fail
    76-76-82 =  5min
    422
    76-76-82 =  16min
    425
    76-76-82 =  9min
    428
    76-76-82 =  6min fail
    76-76-81 =  4min fail
    76-76-80 =  1min fail
    74-74-82 =  3min fail
    72-72-82 =  3min fail
    70-70-82 =  1min fail
    76-76-84 =  4min fail
    76-76-86 =  15min 
    
    Updated bios, installed 4pin power plug
    
    1.250core, 1.456nb ,1.200vtt auto glt's
    428 =  12min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.4nb* ,1.200vtt
    428 =  19min 
    
    1.250core, 1.35nb* ,1.200vtt
    428 =  31min 
    
    1.250core, 1.30nb* ,1.200vtt
    428 =  13min 
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock)* ,1.200vtt
    428 =  10min 
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.160vtt
    428 =  11min*
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.119vtt
    428 =  lock
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.124vtt
    428 =  2min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.129vtt
    428 =  13min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.139vtt
    428 =  8min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.155vtt
    428 =  20min*
    431 =  24min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.170vtt
    431 =  10min *
    434 =  1min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.25nb(stock) ,1.200vtt*
    435 =  1min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.356* ,1.200vtt
    435 =  lock
    
    
    1.250core, 1.356 ,1.2240vtt*
    435 =  4min
    437 =  12min*
    440 =  1min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.25(stock) ,1.2240vtt
    437 =  1min lock
    
    1.250core, 1.304, 1.2240vtt
    437 =  1min fail
    
    
    1.250core, 1.330, 1.2240vtt
    437 =  8min
    
    1.250core, 1.356, 1.2240vtt
    437 
    84-84-84 =  1min fail
    86-86-86 =  5min fail
    86-86-87 =  5min fail
    80-80-87 =  11min 
    78-78-86 =  lock
    80-80-86 =  5min *
    80-80-85 =  7min 
    80-80-84 =  2min fail
    438 
    80-80-86 =  7min 
    439
    80-80-86 =  3min fail
    80-80-88 =  6min fail
    82-82-88 =  17min fail
    440
    82-82-88 =  min fail
    
    1.250core, 1.392, 1.2240vtt
    440
    83-83-89 =  15min
    442
    83-83-89 =  11min
    444
    83-83-89 =  3min lock
    83-83-91 =  3min lock
    
    1.250core, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
    444
    84-84-92 =  4min fail
    82-82-92 =  4min lock
    80-80-92 =  1min fail
    84-84-90 =  11min fail
    84-84-88 =  3min fail
    86-86-92 =  1min fail
    
    1.300core*, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
    444
    84-84-92 =  1min lock
    87-87-92 =  7min (was vcore tested again with 1.25 and locked)
    87-87-92 =  1min
    87-87-94 =  6min*
    
    1.300core, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
    445
    87-87-94 =  12min lock
    
    1.300core, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
    444
    85-85-94 =  1min fail
    86-86-94 =  10min
    86-86-92 =  16min
    86-86-90 =  7min fail
    
    1.300core, 1.392, 1.2800vtt
    445
    86-86-92 =  2min lock
    87-87-93 =  12min fail
    88-88-94 =  5min lock
    88-88-96 =  1min lock
    88-88-98 =  1min lock
    90-90-93 =  15min lock
    91-91-94 =  1min lock
    
    1.300core, 1.430, 1.2800vtt
    445
    91-91-94 =  16min
    89-89-94 =  15min
    87-87-94 =  8min
    85-85-94 =  14min
    83-83-94 =  1min fail
    86-86-91 =  12min *
    86-86-88 =  1min fail
    
    1.300core, 1.430, 1.2800vtt
    447
    86-86-91 =  20min 
    
    1.300core, 1.430, 1.2800vtt
    449
    86-86-91 =  1min fail
    
    1.300core, 1.444nb*, 1.2800vtt
    449
    86-86-91 =  2min fail
    
    1.300core, 1.479nb*, 1.2800vtt
    449
    86-86-91 =  1min fail
    88-88-93 =  10min fail
    89-89-95 =  26min *
    
    1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.2800vtt
    451
    89-89-95 =  lockup 
     
    1.300core, 1.504nb*, 1.2800vtt
    451
    89-89-95 =  5min lock
    
    1.325core*, 1.504nb, 1.2800vtt
    451
    89-89-95 =  1min lock
    91-91-97 =  1min lock
    
    1.325core, 1.6040sb*, 1.504nb, 1.3000vtt
    451
    92-92-98 =  1min lock
    
    --
    Stuck (go back and see what is near the edge)
    1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.2800vtt
    449
    89-89-95 1.456nb = lock
    90-90-96 = 1min lock
    89-89-96 = 1min lock
    89-89-94 = 7min*
    
    1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.320vtt
    449
    89-89-94 = 4min fail
    87-87-94 = 1min fail
    91-91-92 = 1min fail
    91-91-94 = 15min
    91-91-96 = 11min 
    91-91-98 = 12min 
    91-91-101 = 9min 
    91-91-104 = 4min fail <104maxnb
    94-94-96 = 22min
    97-97-96 = 12min
    100-100-96 = 30min
    103-103-96 = 5min lock <103maxcpu
    
    1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.320vtt
    450
    91-91-94 = 15min fail
    92-92-95 = 3min fail
    93-93-96 = 33min 
    
    1.300core, 1.479nb, 1.320vtt
    451
    93-93-96 = 1min fail
    95-95-98 = 1min fail
    
    1.300core, 1.504nb*, 1.320vtt
    451
    95-95-98 = 8min fail
    
    1.300core, 1.543nb*, 1.320vtt
    451
    95-95-98 = 3min fail
    
    1.325core*, 1.543nb, 1.320vtt  (needed vcore)
    551
    95-95-98 = 22min
    
    1.300core, 1.504nb*, 1.320vtt
    451
    95-95-98 = 10min lock
    
    1.300core, 1.530nb*, 1.320vtt
    451
    95-95-98 = 21min
    
    1.300core, 1.530nb, 1.320vtt
    552
    95-95-98 = 1min fail
    96-96-99 = 1min lock
    95-95-100 = reboot hit 60c cpu
    98-98-100 = 3MIN lock
    
    1.350*core, 1.530nb, 1.400*vtt
    452
    98-98-100 = 11min 
    
    1.350core, 1.530*nb, 1.400*vtt
    452
    98-98-100 = 11min 
    
    1.350core, 1.530nb, 1.395*vtt
    451
    98-98-100 = 10min 
    96-96-100 = 12min 
    94-94-100 = 12min 
    
    Too much votage for no improvement
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    450 bus optimize
    
    1.325core*, 1.459nb?, 1.320vtt*
    93-93-96 = lock
    94-94-97 = 20min 
    92-92-97 = 12min 
    90-90-97 = 10min 
    88-88-97 = 1min fail cpu low limit
    96-96-97 = 11min
    98-98-97 = lock      cpu high limit
    94-94-99 = 11min
    94-94-101 = 10min
    94-94-103 = 19min
    94-94-105 = 18min
    94-94-107 = 18min
    94-94-109 = lock  nb high limit
    94-94-95 = lock
    94-94-96 = 9min  nb low limit
    93-93-102 *
    
    ------------------------------
    3.6ghz optimize
    1.35core, 1.459nb, 1.320vtt, 94-94-102
    1.350vcore = 5min lock
    1.325vcore = 5min lock
    1.300vcore = 5min lock
    1.275vcore = 1min lock
    
    1.325vcore 
    88-88-102 = 1min fail mincpu
    90-90-102 = 5min lock
    92-92-102 = 5min lock
    92-92-99 = 1min lock
    92-92-108 = 2min lock
    92-92-104 = 2min lock
    94-94-104 = 2min lock
    
    1.504nb
    92-92-103 = 1min lock
    
    1.479nb
    92-92-103 = 1sec lock
    
    1.530nb
    92-92-103 = rebooted (60c cpu, moved shut down to 70)
    
    1.517nb
    92-92-103 = 3min lock
    
    1.530nb
    92-92-103 = 1min lock
    
    1.504nb 1.640sb
    92-92-103 = 10min lock
    
    1.517nb 1.640sb
    92-92-103 = 22min fail
    
    1.275vcore 1.517nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
    92-92-103 = 3min lock
    
    1.3vcore 1.517nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
    92-92-103 = 10min lock
    
    1.3124vcore 1.517nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
    92-92-103 = 10min lock
    
    1.3124vcore 1.530nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
    92-92-103 = 0min lock 
    
    1.3124vcore 1.504nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
    92-92-103 = 3min lock
    
    1.3124vcore 1.492nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
    92-92-103 = 3min lock
    
    1.3124vcore 1.479nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
    92-92-103 = 1min lock
    
    1.3124vcore 1.504nb 1.640sb 1.320vtt
    92-92-103 = ?min lock
    88-88-103 = 1min lock (blue screen)
    89-89-103 = 10min lock (blue screen)
    90-90-103 = 1min lock
    91-91-103 = 1min lock
    92-92-103 = 1min lock
    93-93-103 = 5min lock
    94-94-103 = 1min lock
    95-95-103 = 1min lock
    96-96-103 = 1min lock
    98-98-103 = 1min lock
    99-99-103 = 1min lock
    101-101-103 = 1min lock
    95-95-99 = 1min lock
    93-93-102 *
    
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    7xmult 450
    
    1.325vcore 1.492nb 1.5sb 1.320vtt
    93-93-102 = 32min fail
    
    vcore:
    1.3000 = 12 min fail
    1.3125 =  1min fail
    
    1.33750vcore 1.492nb 1.5sb 1.330vtt
    93-93-102 = 10min lock
    
    
    1.33750vcore 1.517nb 1.64sb 1.330vtt
    93-93-102 = 10min fail
    
    1.3250vcore 1.492nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 1min fail
    
    1.33750vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 2hrs 54min stable******* 
    
    
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    8xmult 450
    
    1.33750vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 15min lock
    
    --------------
    7xmult 450
    
    1.33750vcore 1.517nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 3 min fail
    
    1.3250*vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 =  5min lock
    
    1.33250*vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 =  7min fail
    
    1.33750vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.335vtt
    94-94-103 = 5min lock
    
    
    1.33750vcore 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = stable settings
    92-92-103 = 34min
    90-90-103 = blue screen
    96-96-103 = 34min
    98-98-103 = 8min
    100-100-103 = 1minlockup
    CPU = 91 to 99 (95 middle)
    
    95-95-100 = 15min 
    95-95-98 = 8min
    95-95-97 = 11min fail
    95-95-106 = 5min fail
    95-95-105 = 55min
    nb = 98-105 (102 middle)
    
    95-95-102
    
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    8xmult 450 (attempt 2)
    
    1.35925vcore(1.25*1.0874) 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 1min lock
    
    1.35925vcore(1.25*1.0874) 1.555nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 1.5hrs stable!!!*
    
    1.35925vcore(1.25*1.0874) 1.530nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 2hrs stable
    
    1.33850vcore(1.25*1.0708)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 30min
    
    1.329625vcore(1.25*1.0637)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 5min fail
    
    1.334875vcore(1.25*1.0679)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 2hr lock
    
    1.335625vcore(1.25*1.0685)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 2hr lock
    
    1.3385vcore(1.25*1.0708)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 2hr lock
    
    1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0732)* 1.530nb 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 5min lock
    
    1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0732) 1.543nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = lock
    
    1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0732) 1.555nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 4hr lock
    
    1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0732) 1.566nb* 1.54sb 1.340vtt
    94-94-103 = 4hr lock
    
    1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0803) 1.579nb* 1.54sb 1.345vtt
    94-94-103 = 4hr lock
    
    1.3415vcore(1.25*1.0933)* 1.579nb 1.54sb 1.345vtt
    94-94-103 = 4min fail
    
    
    1.33875vcore(1.25*1.0725)* 1.591nb* 1.54sb 1.350vtt*
    95-95-102 = 4h fail
    
    1.350375vcore(1.25*1.08030)* 1.604nb* 1.54sb 1.355vtt*
    95-95-102 = 4h fail
    
    1.350375vcore(1.25*1.08030) 1.604nb 1.64sb* 1.355vtt
    95-95-102 = 4h fail
    96-96-102 = 3h fail
    94-94-102 = 3h fail
    95-95-103 = 4h fail
    
    1.365125vcore(1.25*1.0921)* 1.604nb 1.64sb 1.355vtt
    95-95-102 = 4h fail
    95-95-101 = 9min fail
    95-95-104 = 5.5h fail
    95-95-105 = 6h fail
    95-95-106 = 5.5h lock
    95-95-107 =
    http://csd.dficlub.org/forum/showpost.php?p=46388&postcount=23
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    well its just NB and the FSB Termination Voltage I need to make sure I got enough volts and it can be stable

    I know there not the same but if you can find out those I need to get more Im sure you could get more or unless the newer chipsets can get the lower multi Q that high which would suck as the cost more
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    CrAsHnBuRnXp

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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Review on Newegg for the EVGA 780i:

    :laugh: Yeah okay...tech level of "high" but he doesnt know what color the keyboard and mouse jacks are supposed to be. :laugh:
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    panchoman Sold my stars!

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    intel chipsets do support sli.. but not for the geforce 8 :p
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    CrAsHnBuRnXp

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    Course not. :(
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    Why are the 750i boards more overclockable than the 780i?
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    CrAsHnBuRnXp

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    Has anyone dealt with an XFX motherboard before? Or know of anyone who has?

    I just got comparing these two motherboards, and it seems even though they are the same motherboard, the XFX has a lot less issues than the EVGA.

    What are your thoughts on this guys?

    Dumb question but if I use an XFX motherboard with my XFX video card, will there be better performance than say an EVGA board with an XFX video card? Just seems like XFX would optimize it for their own video cards. I could be wrong though.
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    I love my new evga 780i board. The bios is more complicated verses intel boards, but thats what google is for.;) I've had my g0 at 3.7. I got 21000 in 3dmark06 at that setting.:p
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    @ntdouglas

    Do you have to mess with any GTL's or difficult memory optimization other than setting the DRAM volts and strap/divder?

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