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  1. effmaster

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    only 264 voters apart with approximately 1500 votes still not counted.
    That would have pissed anyone on the losing end off:mad::mad:
     
  2. das müffin mann

    das müffin mann New Member

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    this is a nice quote my little liberal friend sent me "Monica Lewinsky had more President in her mouth than George W. Bush has in his entire body"
     
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    okay first of all i want to say a few things not related to the thread

    1. WW1 would have eventually been resolved with high British and French casualtys much more
    2. WW2 Germany would have been defeated by USSR and thus most of Europe would be communist and well lets face facts America and its government hated communism and still largly do so they had to intervene
    3. Yes your nation is a nation of immigrant ANCESTORS but a large percentage of American was WASP (white anglo saxon prtestant) and they hated immigrants they believed only the true first immigrants should be aloud to live and colonise America not the Eastern Europeans, Irish, Chinese or the Italians who came in 1800-1900s.
    4. Still there are racial problems between different segments of racial groups, like the Latino and African Americans sometimes are still considered second class same as the poor in America.
    5. America is a nation of great wealth but there is a distinct gap between average income and wealth, for example ther are a lot of rich and a lot of poor but not a lot of average or in between wealth familys.

    All of this is just about the general population it dosnt apply to everyone not everyone will be like this just the majority

    I understand that nations other than America have legal weapons and death penalty but you are larger and more responsible than them.


    As a person from outside the US i think that people in America are fed up with the current government and its passed its time and want to have a change, personaly i see the democrats winning the election but that just what i think. Obama i think appeals to more of the different groups than Clinton, Clinton in my eyes represents the old style of government and Obama something newer.

    For my perspective I would like Obama to win but Hilary would be a competent president and wouldn't be a bad one.

    Mate Scotland only has 5 million population and i dont like everything about Scotland either especially its government practically no party is fit to run Scotland.
     
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    das müffin mann New Member

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    dude if America didn't step in during WWII, euorpe would be relatively gone, along with the USSR, the Russians were not equipped to fight the much more powerful, battle hardened, well armed Germans, the Russians couldn't even arm most of their men, Hitler would have eventually overcome the British RAF and there remaining defenses with shear power, because at that time their technology was slightly more advanced ie it took about 30 shermans to one panzer if you want an example, then japan comes into play, because if we never would have gotten involved, the USSR could not have held out in a 2 front war, especially against two far superior forces, the French were just easily subdued, i will hand it to the British they did have an excellent air force and navy(navel forces kicked the crap out of the Italians), there will to survive was impressive, and there tactics, especially in the Africa campaign were brilliant, that was until they were pushed back by Rommel's superior panzer division, and his shear numbers, and we did intervene, but we chose the lesser of two evils, also the driving force behind why we entered the war (officially) was because of the Japanese not the Russians

    yes our gov still hates communism mainly Cuba, i say get over it, Cuba is NO threat to us, mostly why there economy is crap is because of us, i say live and let live

    back to the topic
    i foresee the dems taking this presidential election, the republican made TO many mistakes
     
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    If them dems actually win the election, the republicans HAVE to take back a majority in both the house and the senate in order to prevent damage to the economy. Unfortunately, many republicans in the legislature are corrupt and or misguided.

    I too believe that we need change. The PEOPLE must regain power from the government. It appears though at the moment that the people are fighting a losing battle.

    Here are a few things that both Hillary or Barack want to do if they get elected:

    1. Universal Healthcare
    2. Sign Kyoto Protocol
    3. Let Bush Tax Cuts Lapse
    4. Open Border Policy "On March 8, 2006, she strongly criticized H.R. 4437, a bill passed by the House of Representatives in December 2005 and sent to the Senate, which would impose harsher penalties for undocumented workers. Clinton called the measure "a rebuke to what America stands for"
    5. Stifle Free market http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDQ3MGI5NDA5MTJkNDRkM2NmYTYzMDcwNTk2NjQ2N2I=
    6. Immediate Pull from Iraq "At the January 16, 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Clinton, along with Senators Barack Obama and John Edwards, maintained that they cannot guarantee the removal of all U.S. troops by the end of their first presidential term due to continuing support roles. However, all three pledged to begin the withdrawal of combat brigades within 60 days of taking office."
    7. Terrorism: "On November 15, 2007, when asked "[is] national security more important than human rights?" Clinton responded, "I agree with that completely." (what?)
    8. "In 1992 Hillary Clinton supported a federal ban on semi-automatic firearms"
    9. "Clinton believes the scientific consensus on global warming is increasingly clear, and that global warming is caused by the release of greenhouse gases in to the atmosphere" (there is no conclusive scientific evidence of global warming)
    10. "On March 29, 2005, Clinton called the popular video game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas a "major threat" to morality."

    "Overall, The Almanac of American Politics, edited by Michael Barone and Richard E. Cohen, rated her votes from 2003 through 2006 as liberal or conservative, with 100 as the highest rating, in three areas: Economic, Social, and Foreign; averaged for the four years, the ratings are: Economic = 75 liberal, 23 conservative; Social = 83 liberal, 6 conservative; Foreign = 66 liberal, 30 conservative. Average = 75 liberal, 20 conservative."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#_note-12

    Barack is nearly indentical to Hillary in his political beliefs. The only difference is that he doesn't have a prior record because he is so new to the scene and no one knows what he stands for.

    "On January 24, 2007 Obama spoke about his position on health care at Families USA, a health care advocacy group. Obama said, "The time has come for universal health care in America".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_obama

    I'm hopeful that if McCain is elected, he won't do anything too bad for the country so that we can elect someone better in 2012.
     
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    God this sucks, and I totally agree with you flashstar. WTF happened with Juliani? Where in the hell is Mario Cuomo when you need him?!:laugh:
     
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    Now that Ron Paul is effectively out of the race I don't like any of the candidates anymore. They're all the same. Any difference is mainly superficial.
     
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    He has all that donation dough and he can still run libertarian
     
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    He has said many times he won't. If he doesn't get the republican nomination he is only going to run for his congressional seat.
     
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    unfortunately i have to agree with you:shadedshu
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVlG-FsL-7I&feature=related

    I just thought that I would show both Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee duking it out lol.
    I dont think either one won this fight but hey both showed excellent viewpoints.

    Also I think its safe for us to now start talking about just Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama, and John McCain and who we think needs to win the election now.

    Oh and also BUMP!!!
     
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    das müffin mann New Member

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    im not that big of a fan of mccain, i personally hate hilary and her universal health care spiel, well its true barrack is going for the whole uni. health care thing, with him its more like a secondary thing that he is just going for now, but if he gets into office it believe that it will never be implemented. although as you may know nader has officially joined the race

    ps: i completely forgot about this thread


    GOD I WISH RON PAUL WAS STILL RUNNING
     
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    You know i never liked Ron Paul lol
    But you know what I hate Hillary and Obama even more.
    Even women dont seem to like Hillary anymore lol:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtRltg5VIfs&feature=related
    This was just a joke guys lol its edited by whomever made the video.
     
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    Heres a more complete verson of the video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9sA5FQfE1E
     
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    das müffin mann New Member

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    now thats a debate
     
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    idk, I'm for hillary... I actually think Obama may look dumber than McCain because when Obama is giving a speach, he pauses A LOT and goes, "umm...." between words even with the shortest of setances... I DO feel he's a very smart guy and he beats Hillary I'll vote for him, but I just think he may give the impression of stupidity during the debates this fall.
     
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    None of them are pleasing to me. I think I'll abstain from voting. I'm weary of these crumby candidates. We shouldn't have to decide between who is the least crumby.
     
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    No offense, but that is a pretty weak reason not to like a candidate. By that definition almost every single person has an IQ of 10. I don't know how many speeches you've witnessed by people who don't give them regularly, but they stumble a lot more than Obama, and I wager many of them are much more intelligent.

    Giving a speech in front of thousands of people is not an easy task. I may be wrong, but I'd be willing to bet you would have great difficulty under the same circumstances. Do you consider your self stupid?
     
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    Unfortunately the age of visionaries are clocking out in American politics, it's all about populists. Think big Arnie + CA. Goes on to tell, it's time the visionaries adapt themselves to dirty politics, just to reach Washington DC, they can make good use of their positions later.
     
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    Ugh. I know, I despise populism and socialism. They seem to be all the rage these days. It always seems to be about, "what can I get from others? How can everyone else benefit me? They have more money than me, how can I get some of their money?"
     
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    That is a dangerous game. At what point does a well meaning "visionary" who reaches his/her goals by playing a dirty politician's game become just another dirty politician himself/herself.
     
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    Thermopylae, you're right. I just can't understand why everyone wants "change" when it's change towards socialism...

    Unfortunately as well, not voting is like giving a vote to the candidate that you like least. There are always going to be die hard liberals and republicans that will vote, so choosing not to doesn't do any good.

    McCain didn't sound too bad on Hannity and Colmes tonight, and I like his idea of Romney as VP.
     
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    A visionary cannot win with classic politics the way Roosevelt/Lincoln did, those days are long gone. The average American voter proved himself dumber post Ronald Regan....the dawn of populism. Implies, a visionary should act smart, adapt himself to the American voter of 2008 and not leave it to the voters to 'discover a visionary' in him and then go to vote.
     
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    Why should I vote for a hack. If I vote, I'll just write abstain. I would rather have a clear conscience than vote for someone who I dislike. McCain is not a good choice in my opinion, he will just perpetuate this war, and likely invade Iran. I refuse to be a party to imperialism.

    Let those who seek what these candidates truly offer find it. I refuse to help them with my vote.
     
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    Where else would you like money spent in the budget? On weapons systems(Military Industrial complex), dead Iraqi's(Black Water), and handing free oil subsidiaries over for oil discovery(Exxon).

    Exxon:eek: makes way to much profit to receive incentives. Aren't they on the top of the Fortune 500? Sounds like corruption so thick it could infect all of Washington(if it hasn't already).

    I think you do care about the little people don't you?:)
    You just aren't saying it.;)
    Its human nature to care about people you haven't even met yet.
    I bet you are for healthcare for the poor if you read into what happens to these people when they don't receive care. They just clog up ER's if you don't provide for them. Have you ever been to an ER in a big city?
     
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