Hello, I just registered for a forum account, however it took me a few tries. Apparently I don't know what shape CD's are, as I said "circle (usually)" as I've seen business card shaped ones before, but perhaps I needed to say hollow cylinder as circles would really be only be 2 dimensional. Next I was asked what color ocean water was. Apparently water, not counting foreign contaminants like oil or algee, isn't "clear". Who knew? Anyways, hello everyone, I finally made it in.