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qubit finally upgrades to Windows 10 permanently!

Have you upgraded to Windows 10 yet?


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qubit

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This is just a little ramble about my upgrade to Windows 10 today.

Initially installed it on a VM when it was still in beta, as an Insider. That became a permanently activated copy in that VM when W10 went RTM which was great and I still have it. I couldn't find a way to transfer it to the actual PC and have it activate on it though. Looks like it can't be done despite much googling about it. If anyone knows how please let me know.

A while later, I upgraded to W10 using the normal W7 upgrade path, making a system image first. It was all very nice, but I missed Aero and in particular, Unreal Tournament 2004 didn't work properly on it since it uses DX8, which isn't fully supported in W10. I tried installing the June 2010 DX update like someone suggested, but it made no difference. Can't adjust things like vsync (permanently off) and brightness though.

This can apparently be fixed by running the 64-bit version of the game which uses DX9 (need to find a copy). It won't be the Steam version though and therefore won't log how many hours I'm wasting on it, lol.

Since I didn't have a pressing reason to upgrade to W10 at that time and I was playing that game a lot, I decided to hold off for a while and restored W7 from that system image.

W10 is becoming more and more mainstream now however, so I decided to bite the bullet and do that upgrade finally (making another system image first) sorting out those UT2004 problems later. I'll just run W7 in a dual boot configuration if I absolutely can't fix all the problems and I want to play it. Shame though as the game is still amazing 12 years later and I never get bored of deathmatch mode.

I upgraded today and unsurprisingly W10 installed an old version of the NVIDIA video driver and a duff version of the sound driver that doesn't output any sound. I've upgraded the video driver to the latest one and will fix the sound driver later, if possible. It's an old sound card, so it may not be supported any more by Creative, I'll have to check.

I've also installed O&O ShutUp10 to stop that intrusive telemetry from telling Microsoft everything I do and bring Windows Update under control. It's free, so get it here: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Overall Windows 10 is nice, it's stable and Classic Shell restores a proper Start menu, so no annoying tiles for me.

So, what's your upgrade experience been like?
 

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upgraded 4 pc's and have no issues at this point. There were some NZXT CAM issues last year but they were sorted pretty fast.
 
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Have upgraded all my own machines to Windows 10 after thoroughly testing it at work on hundreds on machines. Everytime I see a Windows 7 installation - be it at a friend's place or an old machine from employees - I simply can't stand its looks anymore (:love: for aero has vanished). Windows 10 looks so much better imho!

Haven't had any trouble so far :rockout:
 
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I've been using it for a while now. Still hate god awful retarded automatic driver installing, especially for graphic card and I had to replace stupid Windows Update with Windows Update MiniTool, but the rest is fine. Oh and the spying nonsense, I had to block all that shit.
 
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I have no issues with the tiles, never look at/use them so it's like they're not there, my brain just doesn't see them when I use the start menu... now you have your HW ID set to your Windows 10 key you can actually do a clean install as opposed to the upgrade and it will register automatically ;) I did this only cause I was having issues with the first upgrade I did and always prefer a clean install! I also use O+O Shutup10!
 

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I'm slowly replacing Win8.1 on all my machines with Win10 as I reformat them. Of the machines I use regularly I've upgraded 4 to Win10, and 3 more still need upgrading.
 
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Only issue i have is loading times power up from cold it boot's up very quick. Do a restart and hangs for a couple of mins strange?
Apart from that all good.:)
 
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Only issue i have is loading times power up from cold it boot's up very quick. Do a restart and hangs for a couple of mins strange?
Apart from that all good.:)

That is strange, maybe something else at play as I haven't experienced this and you have an SSD as per your specs?
 
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That is strange, maybe something else at play as I haven't experienced this and you have an SSD as per your specs?
Yeah Win 10 all on my ssd. Very strange 1 for sure.
 

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3 out of 5 of my pcs run W10. My main pc has a W7 start menu.
PC #4 runs W7
PC #5 runs Ubuntu.

I am in a period of adjustment...i completely skipped Vista cos i couldnt let go of XP but now i know how to ditch the stuff i dont want/need i am transitioning quite well to W10.

I ditched the tiles by right clicking and after following advice on TPU disabled unwanted updates.
 

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Yeah Win 10 all on my ssd. Very strange 1 for sure.

Do you have fast start enabled in Win10? Do you have a Hard drive?
 
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Only issue i have is loading times power up from cold it boot's up very quick. Do a restart and hangs for a couple of mins strange?
Apart from that all good.:)

If you've got fast start enabled it is the most likely culprit.
 

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I upgraded today and unsurprisingly W10 installed an old version of the NVIDIA video driver and a duff version of the sound driver that doesn't output any sound. I've upgraded the video driver to the latest one and will fix the sound driver later, if possible. It's an old sound card, so it may not be supported any more by Creative, I'll have to check.

I've also installed O&O ShutUp10 to stop that intrusive telemetry from telling Microsoft everything I do and bring Windows Update under control. It's free, so get it here: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Overall Windows 10 is nice, it's stable and Classic Shell restores a proper Start menu, so no annoying tiles for me.

So, what's your upgrade experience been like?
I don't know if our issues are related, but on my main computer, I've installed Windows 10 five times so far, always hoping to fix the issue (due to supposedly bad audio drivers I had installed or an update that would have fixed the problem by then).

My issue was DPC latency spikes every 30 minutes, probably caused by ndis.sys that caused one second of video and audio lag. It was very annoying and sometimes disturbing. I've tried a lot, disabling audio devices, reinstalling Windows, installing Microsoft's analysis software with system traces … nothing helped. Possibly it's the Windows 10 network drivers and the problem might be gone if I don't connect to the internet … but of course I won't sacrifice internet access just so that I can use Windows 10 without severe bugs. So I went back to Windows 8.1.

Also, the hardware configuration was not changed. Never had these latency spikes on W7 or W8.1. Only W10, and every single time I installed it.
My machine isn't even out of the ordinary:
ASRock Z77 Pro4 mainboard
Intel i5 2500K CPU
NVidia GTX 950 GPU
Asus Xonar DG PCI soundcard
Yuan SC500N1 PCIe video capture card

I might give W10 another try on a secondary system. But never again on my primary system. It's too much of a hassle.

Oh, and esthetically, Windows 10 is so inconsistent. Some menus are light themed, some are dark themed, and with every fifth update or so a menu is switched between one of these two styles. Instead of having one global toggle for all of them. I mean, I get that the teams that write the menus are stressed and fractured, so they might not have the time to implement said toggle, but why keep changing the colors back and forth then?
 
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Had it on both my laptop and PC, went back to Win7 because my Madcatz keyboard didn't work on in for whatever reason. I use PSCheck on my laptop and it doesn't work on Win10.. If it wasn't for those two things I would still be using it.
 

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@Kadano It does sound like a driver issue you've got there. I had a quick google and found this forum thread that's apparently got a solution for this:

www.sevenforums.com/sound-audio/192283-dpc-latency-spikes.html

I fixed the sound problem. Really easy in the end: just looked at the Creative Windows 10 support list and clicked the link. This lead to a revised driver that worked perfectly with it. Likely the older one will work too if I could be bothered to try it.

http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowArticle.aspx?sid=126331

Welcome to TPU. :toast:



Had it on both my laptop and PC, went back to Win7 because my Madcatz keyboard didn't work on in for whatever reason. I use PSCheck on my laptop and it doesn't work on Win10.. If it wasn't for those two things I would still be using it.
I know what you mean. If those one or two things are mission critical to you then it compromises the whole upgrade if it breaks them. That's how I felt about this game.
 
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I upgraded one of my low profile laptop to windows 10 and that was a mistake as it is not able to support any high profile games which windows 7 handled very easily. I played ACR, MGR, Crysis2, NFS RUN, Arkham Trio(Assylum, City, Origins) and many more on same laptop when Windows 7 was installed but now when I upgraded to Windows 10 all of those games are rejecting to install as requirements not met.
Otherwise Windows 10 is good and is way better than 8 & 8.1
 

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Ok, just solved the UT2004 compatibility issue which can be done one of two ways:

1 Install the 64-bit patch
2 Even simpler: just edit the UT2004.ini file to use the OpenGL renderer instead of DirectX, like so:

[Engine.Engine]
;RenderDevice=D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=D3D9Drv.D3D9RenderDevice
;RenderDevice=Engine.NullRenderDevice
RenderDevice=OpenGLDrv.OpenGLRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=PixoDrv.PixoRenderDevice

Path for Steam version of this ini file:

[x]\Steam Install\steamapps\common\Unreal Tournament 2004\System

Where [x] is the install folder for Steam, usually the root of the drive.

Sure, it's a workaround, but a true DX8 fix isn't available unfortunately so this problem remains for other old games. Ran the game for a couple of minutes like this and it was perfect, even with SLI on. Dunno if the framerate is higher or lower than it would be with DX8, but on earlier Windows performance was similar between the two graphics standards, so likely similar here if it was possible.
 
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I'd answer the Poll, but it won't allow a Yes, and No.
I have a few systems and only one is "upgraded" to W10.
 

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Had it on both my laptop and PC, went back to Win7 because my Madcatz keyboard didn't work on in for whatever reason. I use PSCheck on my laptop and it doesn't work on Win10.. If it wasn't for those two things I would still be using it.

What madcatz keyboard? I have the STRIKE TE and drivers and software install and run fine.
 

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Running W10 since the very first public/insider alpha/beta build with drivers downloaded through Windows Update (except nvidia which I download manually from nvidia site). Upgraded many times from one build to another, always smooth. Never had any major issues. Some early builds had problems with wifi disappearing time after time, but they fixed that. Now it's really good and steady. Latest RS1 build is the best I've seen. Can't wait to see final RS1 or even better RS2 in summer 2017.
 

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I've been using it for a while now. Still hate god awful retarded automatic driver installing, especially for graphic card and I had to replace stupid Windows Update with Windows Update MiniTool, but the rest is fine. Oh and the spying nonsense, I had to block all that shit.

You havent turned that shit off?
 
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