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  1. KieranD

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    Mate sorry for your losses but really your not born again every day you just live until there is no life. There will always be something after death where that be new life or absolutely nothing at all, like nothing could be after death you know but that in itself is something.

    We Catholics believe that whatever is beyond death is Heaven where that be new life on earth or another place or nothing at all.

    If you die from a disease or sickness or natural causes thats what happens its life.
    If you die from caused circumstances like you gave your self cancer by smoking or you got knocked down by a car or you were gunned down thats not natural its not life.

    We have choices and we have to use em correctly, no one should die from caused circumstances not even those that have done terrible things they need to realise what they have done, be punished but rehabilitated at the same time.

    There is a reason people do things and we have to find that out, no one does anything for no reason, reasons can be from metal health problems or revenge ect. Accidents are casued by not knowing or not paying attention.

    Circumstantial deaths are one that we cannot cause or did not cause.



    We never live with a death its just life, we have to realise that others may depend on us or that we can make a difference, we dont get over it or live with it because it is just life.
    Grieving is fruitless at best it causes pain and suffering.

    1 person dies 1 takes its place it sounds cold heartless and robotic but its what happens.

    No point saying sorry because there is noting to be apologetic about, what i can say is i feel that you lost a person you really liked and now you cant experience that anymore but be comforted in the fact that you yourself could be making someone else happy.


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    Loyalty is bullshit i just look at both sides and see why they believe something and try to see it from there point of view, make them see where im coming from and then mash the two together with mutual understanding, maybe some of it is correct and some of the other is correct?

    Loyalty sometimes requires going against your own judgement or being led into believing things that are terrible.
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  2. Cold Storm

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    I see your beliefs and go with it. But, to me believing in what I do now is for me the best. For a kid that had the past like mine, its what made me change and go with everything to get to where I am now.
    My beliefs is different then someone else, and it will be. I'm not going to change my views because someone else things its pointless. You don't know where or who I am. Don't know the horries I went through as a kid, or anything else. These are my Beliefs and it will be my code till I give up my sword.
    But I do believe that your point of view is your point of view, and I thank you for it. For, I am open to everyone's beliefs.

    The only thing that gets me is you said sorry at the beginning, yet you
    say that there isn't a point?
    Thank you for your thoughts on this subject, and I take it in account on everything I know.
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  3. KieranD

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    No i shouldnt say sorry for the persons death because frankly i had nothing to do with it, its apologising because someone died just seems silly to me, not that i dont feel for anyone involved in a loss.

    Deepest condolences is what i meant to say.

    What i believe is that my views are based on not what i see but on morals, morals are based not on what society thinks or what religion tells us because society 30/40 years ago found it acceptable to be racist and i never have, morals are based on what is beneficial for me and others as a whole, for example if my mobile phone was stolen i could say i lost it and get a new one quicker on my insurance but that is morally wrong because it benefits me but they still will steal and not understand why it is wrong to steal the mobile, it is more beneficial for them to get punished and understand.

    Is it beneficial for someone to die on penalty of death no not really.
    Is it beneficial for me to just accept someone else view no, i have to understand it and they have to understand mine and do i make sense does he/she make sense are some points of both valid that way we both improve and get benefits.

    Religion is a big influence on me as a Catholic but i follow the Catholic church because i believe it is the most morally correct and makes most sense of the world religion. I believe in it.

    For example it believes heaven and hell is the place we go to after death or what is after death.
    There is no actual devil it is the evil we do that is Satan.
    God may be a person but it is the identity we give to what ever existed in the beginning for example it could be String theory that allows multiple dimensions that is God or the universe itself has always existed and that itself is God this identity is the beginning.

    The Catholic Church believes that most of the bible is either Historic information or a story with a meaning to help society guide itself, the difference between Judaism and Christianity is that we believe in Christ and they dont, we believe that the new testament is historically correct and the old testament some of it is historically correct.
    Holy Communion that we Catholics take is a representation of Jesus blood that he spilt and body he sacrificed for us, and a representation of the last supper the first official mass.

    GOT WAY CARRIED AWAY SORRY IF I BORED YOU BUT I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS, people who say they believe in something yet say we are allowed opposite opinions are ignorant and stubborn and do not believe in their views enuf to change others or be changed themselves.
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    I am very sorry for your losses, guys. All I can add is what others have said, if you need something just ask.

    Some very nice words being written here.
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    Condolence to both of you, I know the pain that you feel, I just lost my mom a few months back so sad... Gave up gaming til now, It's really hard to move on, but still life goes on and maybe someday I'll come back gaming again... God Bless guys and again condolences.

    Joey
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    With great sadness, and a crying heart i read your sadness... TO you both i pray to Jesus to help you guys out on this one. Sorry for your losses guys!
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    condolences and sympathies panchoman

    stay strong

    :toast:
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    Dang. Very sorry to hear about that.


    I worked in a hospital as a Patient Escort for three years, starting when I was 19. Most of it dealt with living patients, taking them from their rooms to ancillary departments for tests and procedures (or vice versa). But a smaller portion was taking the deceased down to the morgue. I still think about some of those transport calls. The patients weren't always elderly, sometimes newborns. I'd even get patients that I had transported days earlier for tests and such. It's sometimes kind of hard, but it's a satisfying job. Maybe you're the same way, but I always had a sense of pride working in a hospital, helping people, joking with patients, trying to take their minds elsewhere.

    Now I have a stupid office job because I graduated from college and needed more money. I think I'd rather work in the hospital again, only not in Patient Escort.

    Again, my condolences.
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  9. Cold Storm

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    KieranD: Don't be sorry for allowing us the thoughts of your religion. I've had a girlfriend or two that was Catholic so I know a little about the religion. I'm a very open minded person when it comes to stuff like that. Everyone has their own beliefs so to me its something you can't be mad about. I believe in the Code, but there is some teachings that I don't believe is right in this day and age.

    GJS: Its a mind opening thing working at a hospital. Since I've been under the Head Chef for 6 years, I've done a lot for both the hospital and the city. I've also done a lot for the City by myself. So its a good reference whenever I decide to leave this place. I was looking at leaving when my father was back down here with work. Start working with him as an Engineer, but now that I'm the Production Manager, and not under him anymore, I feel I might stay now.
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    Cold storm ya right about saying working in a hospital is a mind opening thing ive worked at Julia Farr wich is a specialised care facility herein Adelaide for nearly 10 years now. I see alot happiness alot of pain n suffering and even death but i woudnt have it ne other way i get abused by clients but at the same time its so rewarding to help ppl live a full and happy life.
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  11. Cold Storm

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    Oh, your 100 percent right on that Triprift. I've thought of leaving because of the last company, but now I feel like I was before the old company came in. I take a joy in my cooking. To get someone happy over my food is the best thing in life. I don't put anything out that I wouldn't feed my family or so forth. And its a good feeling to know my lady makes it a point to get down and eat all my vegetable dishes.
    There is some tough times when working in the field. Health care is something that everyone cares for, and don't understand some times. The worst thing about me working in a hospital, some say, is the fact I will never go to see a doctor. I believe they do good for this world, but after what one doctor said to me when I was young. I've never went back
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  12. Kreij

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    Each of us is guided by our beliefs, not by the encouragement or admonitions that the world offers. It is the values that we hold close to our hearts that determine what we do in every situation that we encounter.

    Cold Storm, in your daily life, do not look at your job as a hinderence or blockade to what you believe, but as a way to show people what you are made of. It is your life and the way that you live it, is what shines as a light to others.

    It does not matter who has come before you, or who will come after, in your job. It is up to you to present yourself in the manner that you want people to see you as. Your faith will guide you.

    Death is inevitable, as is life. We each have a limited time on this earth to make a difference.
    Suffereing is fleeting, but true joy is eternal. You can see this in how the things in life that are not pleasant fade away over time, but the elation of when we help someone stays with us throughout our lives.

    You are in a position, being in a hospital, to affect people in a way that few of us can.
    Go out an visit the patients. Give them hope and encouragement.
    They will love you for it.
    ... and when each day is over, you will sleep well.
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    For a long time, with the old company I worked for, my job began to give me dought on what I thought was a great job. But, now that I been givin the life I had before 2 years ago, my love for the job has came back. With everything I make, my heart is put into it. People there know when I'm not there, and all ways "joke" with me when I tell them I'm taking a vacation. Its more of a family place of which I work at. I know everyone, and have been with most as having a beer, or having them cook for me. I've even been asked to go and cook for them. Now, it gives me the love and joy I had to cook for people and make a difference.
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  14. Kreij

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    @ Cold : I will take that as you agree with my last post.

    I will add this. It was what I told my son before he was killed.

    Strive for in life what you have been given the gifts to accomplish. To try to attain a measure of success that is beyond you is foolish.
    If you do what you love to do, and aspire to be the best you can be at it, the money will come.

    If you strive just for the money, your life will be an empty shell of what could have been. You may do well, but you will loathe each day that you wake up.

    The people in your life are the defining factor of your life.
    Without them, you would just be like a feelingless robot doing a repetitios job until you died.
    Open your heart, and let both the joy and pain in, for it molds your character and determines what you will be in the years to come.

    You will be a better friend to everyone you meet, for you will be able to relate to both thier joys and sorrows through the experiences in your own life.

    You not only can make a difference, you will make a difference.
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    Yeah, I agree 100 percent with your last post and with this one. If your in it for the money then there is no reason to be in it. You have to enjoy waking up in the morning and getting ready to go to work. Its the same way I feel with marriage and stuff like that. Every time I went home after work, I asked myself if I wanted to go home to my girlfriend, and was it the one place I wanted to be at. I was for the longest time wanting to go home, and see her pretty smile and the joy of being with her for the rest of the night. Then it got to where I couldn't stand myself for being in a love that was one way.
    IN all, its not worth being unhappy to make others happy also. Make yourself happy and your life will grow and prosper!
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  16. Kreij

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    I am going to go out on a limb here, Cold.
    I don't disagree with you, but I believe that in all things there are compromises.

    Each of us must strive to be comforatble with who we are, regardless of what others think of us. When someone does that, then they have no problem looking in the mirror.

    When you make a committment to someone, you agree to share your life with them. Not force your life on them, nor give up your life to their way. The people who have had long lasting, happy relationships know this.

    But we must still look in the mirror. Committing to a relationship is not to give up one's identity, but to share it with the other person.

    There will always be conflict, but that conflict and your willingness to resolve it, is what builds the strength in a relationship. There must be compromise. This is such a superficial example of the complexities that occur in a relationship, but it is still a starting point for people to look at it and perhaps re-examine what they consider to be important in the relationship.

    Making someone else happy is always going to give a person more gratification.
    But relinquishing everything that you are in order to give that person happiness will destroy your self esteem and the relationship in which you are in.

    My (albiet) simple advice to people on in relationships is simple.
    "Don't be an asshat"

    Pretty profound, no ?
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    Yeah, its all good and I get what your saying. I worked at it for 4 months. And nothing changed. She didn't want to. Yet after talking with others that had that problem, I wish I could turn back the hands of time! I really loved that girl and her two kids. Was with her since the son was born. She even told the father that I was more of a dad then he'd ever be. It was touching, but its hard to look at her. I don't know. Its gotten to me a lot of late with her. Its a haunting feeling I get because I can't shake her, and my lady now knows it, and has been trying her best to help me with it.

    I do believe in what you said, and I gave that girl the world on a silver platter, to which there was nothing more I could do. She wasn't happy and she wouldn't tell me what was going on. I just couldn't get her to tell me.
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    The lack of closure is by far one of the hardest situations to deal with. But like all other hardships, that feeling also fades with time.
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    That is true man. It's a thing that makes me feel bad, yet when I see my ladies face it all disappears. Just hard to do since she's a doctor...
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    guys, what you've said has really touched me. kreij, you make so many good points, that i've learned recently. im learning to learn to accept those painful memories, and embrace the pain. i'm trying to live without her, but its been so difficult. even if i know knew her for such a short time, i still miss her so much, and its just like a piece of my life is missing. theres a hole in almost everything, and its her... but yet, i realized that i cannot be left behind and mourn for her, i must move on with my life, but keep her close to my heart.

    as for my perspective on religion, religion is something you believe in, not something that was written in ancient times. religion is what your interpretation of life is, what your beliefs are. as for me, religion is a way of life (morals,etc.) and a place for hope and strength .

    I've wanted to become a heart surgeon for a long time. whenever i tell people that, they're all like "wow! thats gonna get you a lot of money!", etc. and im like wtf.. i dont want to do it for money. i want to do it because thats what i want to do. i've always loved helping people (thus my post-whoreness) and i've always been a committed indivual to whatever i get hooked on. and one thing i've always wanted to do was save people's lives. the hospital is litterally my second home, it's not really uncommon for me to be there, i usually land myself in there, but this year i've ended up taking care of so many people there, it really reinforced that i want to be a doctor because i saw how much doctors are constantly striving to save lives, help people, and improve lives, and thats what i've always wanted to do. so many people die each year due to heart related problems, i knew that was where i was needed and where i wanted to be. so yeah.

    and yup kreij, realationships are a mutual thing. you live and love together in balance and harmony. you dont give away your identity, nor do you take on another, etc.
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    My condolences panchoman and Cold Storm... sorry to hear about your losses. :(
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    @Pancho : There is hope for you yet, grasshopper ;)
    I would like to make a few comments on your post, I hope you don't mind.

    I know what Panch means, but he did not say it very clearly. You do not embrace the pain of loss. This would seem to imply that you have somehow come to like the pain. What you learn to do is not to bury, or push aside, the pain. You let if overwhelm you when it has to and you don't fight it.
    No one will think less of you if you do.

    Panch is right. There will be hole, an emptiness where the other life filled your soul.
    But time will fill that void with the good memories of that person, and the pain will become but a fleeting memory. His statement about being "left behind an mourn", does not mean to stop what is going on in one's life, it means to dwell emotionally on the painful event and not let yourself move on emotionally. There are other people in this world that will depend on you for emotional support and at some point you must work through your pain so that you can again help others.

    I honestly think that the Panchoman I knew has been taken by aliens and they sent a clone. :D
    Pancho, after reading what you wrote, if you become a doctor of any kind, I would trust my children to be in your care.
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    what makes you think that i was abducted by aliens and sent back as a clone? :p
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    Kreij Senior Monkey Moderator Staff Member

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    LOL ... I am sorry if you thought that was a jab at you.
    In my time on TPu I have seen many or your posts and they range from serious troubleshooting to wierd posts in GN.
    But to see someone post their honest feelings is refreshing.
    You, Panch, are added to my list of people who really care.

    But I think we should do a blood test to make sure you're not an alien clone. :roll:
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    lol no worries, just wanted to see why you said that lol, and i see your reasoning.. im just crazy like that :p

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