1. Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Radeon HD 4890 3DMark Performance Revealed

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Mar 18, 2009.

  1. ShogoXT

    ShogoXT New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2008
    Messages:
    974 (0.42/day)
    Thanks Received:
    84
    Location:
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Not really, its only serving to make Nvidia look better in this synthetic benchmark. Is that worth paying Nvidia money for?

    EDIT: Sorry if that sounded fanboish, just annoyed how that works in Vantage. It screws the score....
  2. TheMailMan78

    TheMailMan78 Big Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2007
    Messages:
    20,855 (8.03/day)
    Thanks Received:
    7,413
    Well this may be news but some games use Physx. To bad Vantage doesnt use Havok instead.
  3. farlex85

    farlex85 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,830 (1.81/day)
    Thanks Received:
    638
    It's been shown time and time again the in 3d06 xp yeilds better scores than in vista. Note that the i7920 did score 1500 points more in cpu score at 1ghz lower clock than the e8400. Sounds about right. This is a preliminary score w/o proper drivers and completely at stock (who here benches their stuff at stock?). It's also a 4890, not a 5870. Once it is released it will be a bit faster than the 4870, but not by a landslide. These seem about right considering.
  4. EastCoasthandle

    EastCoasthandle New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    6,889 (2.04/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,505
    The results are comparable IMO. Many here believe that Vista is just as good as XP. Furthermore, the 3D06 is CPU bound. Having a quad core can increase the overall results of the benchmark when compared to a dual core. Therefore, IMO, the 920 quad core should have been higher then a overclocked dual core using XP. The results of the 920 clearly show a higher benchmark result the E8400 at 3.60GHz.



    I would rather wait for other benchmark results. Do to the higher CPU scores there doesn't appear to be any correlation with overall results. If you look at both SM2.0 and SM3.0 they are much lower and I've seen higher results then that when using a Q2C.
  5. erocker

    erocker Super Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    39,493 (13.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    13,908
    That's just speculation. It's not a heavily OC'd 4870 it's a stock 4890. We have no idea what kind of overclocks these cards get yet. I love my GTX 260 too, but since I love new cards, it's getting a playmate! :D
  6. alexp999

    alexp999 Staff

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,045 (3.16/day)
    Thanks Received:
    862
    Location:
    Dorset, UK
    Even if I hadnt made that comment, you must agree that these clocks seem unexplainably low. Iam basing my comments of what I know now, which afaik, is that the RV770 brings nothing more than higher clocks.

    Take EastCoastHandle's results for example. His CPU score is lower, yet the SM scores are higher with the 4870 clocked at the same speed.
  7. farlex85

    farlex85 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,830 (1.81/day)
    Thanks Received:
    638


    Drivers, this is an unreleased card
  8. cdawall where the hell are my stars

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2006
    Messages:
    20,648 (7.09/day)
    Thanks Received:
    2,971
    Location:
    some AF base
    i could see it running with a GTX260 considering with both cards oc'd my G92 8800GTS keeps up with a 4850 oc'd and the 4870 runs with a 9800GTX
  9. alexp999

    alexp999 Staff

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,045 (3.16/day)
    Thanks Received:
    862
    Location:
    Dorset, UK
    But if it is based off an RV770 then there should be no excuse on the drivers front.
  10. farlex85

    farlex85 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,830 (1.81/day)
    Thanks Received:
    638
    I was under the impression it was an RV790. Even if it's similar, it's going to be a tad different. For all we know, the only difference may be on the software level. Either way, it's a preliminary benchmark of an unreleased card (thus not to be expected as full results).
  11. johnnyfiive

    johnnyfiive

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    Messages:
    3,890 (1.71/day)
    Thanks Received:
    876
    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    It should, physx.
  12. ghost101

    ghost101 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2006
    Messages:
    1,332 (0.45/day)
    Thanks Received:
    165
    Location:
    London
    Because your cpu (physx) score is through the roof.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    For comparison:

    http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=895112

    HD4870 using cat 9.2, at 850mhz and q9300 @ 3.3ghz. I get a gpu score of 10,034 and overall score of P10613

    The HD4890 is an overclocked hd4870, which is basically what the name of the card suggested.
  13. btarunr

    btarunr Editor & Senior Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    28,201 (11.42/day)
    Thanks Received:
    13,572
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    It's not based off an RV770.
  14. ghost101

    ghost101 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2006
    Messages:
    1,332 (0.45/day)
    Thanks Received:
    165
    Location:
    London
    What makes you so sure? I think it is if these results are true.
  15. btarunr

    btarunr Editor & Senior Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    28,201 (11.42/day)
    Thanks Received:
    13,572
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    Results aside, we were talking about drivers. It's not that existing drivers (the ones used in this test) seamlessly support RV790 just because it has a lot in common with the RV770.
  16. alexp999

    alexp999 Staff

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,045 (3.16/day)
    Thanks Received:
    862
    Location:
    Dorset, UK
    You're article said it was! :confused:

    I was only referring to the GPU score as I know physx affects the CPu score.
  17. ghost101

    ghost101 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2006
    Messages:
    1,332 (0.45/day)
    Thanks Received:
    165
    Location:
    London
    Fair enough. What do you get with the 260 gtx? Is it overclocked?
  18. alexp999

    alexp999 Staff

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,045 (3.16/day)
    Thanks Received:
    862
    Location:
    Dorset, UK
    I get about 10,800 GPU score and yes it is overclocked. But this card seems way too far behind. I know the 4870 cant quite match a GTX 260, but I only have a 192SP version, and I would have thought the RV790 would be capable of more than that.

    Now I'm not throughing doubt on this, I'm just speaking my mind, when I say this.
    How do we know this is even genuine? You could quite easily edit the fields in the screenies. Only reason I say this, is cus they have blanked out the BIOS version. WHY???
    ghost101 says thanks.
  19. niko084

    niko084

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2006
    Messages:
    7,636 (2.75/day)
    Thanks Received:
    729
  20. btarunr

    btarunr Editor & Senior Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    28,201 (11.42/day)
    Thanks Received:
    13,572
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    "It is effectively only an overclocked RV770" true, since its specs are identical to the point where clock speeds get in. But it wasn't said they had the same IDs, or the same ASICs.
  21. alexp999

    alexp999 Staff

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,045 (3.16/day)
    Thanks Received:
    862
    Location:
    Dorset, UK
    If it has the same fab process, same number of stream processors, TMU's and ROP's, same memory interface. That in my book means based off. I didn't say it was an RV770, but the architecture must be so close to being the same (if not the same), then I cant see a reason for the drivers not to be fully optimized.
  22. farlex85

    farlex85 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,830 (1.81/day)
    Thanks Received:
    638
    It could be fake. Given the circumstances it seems far more likely that it's just not running on all software cylinders yet. Either way, it's the first numbers, never trust them fully.

    Again the main difference b/t the cards may lie at the software level. Perhaps you are expecting too much.
  23. niko084

    niko084

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2006
    Messages:
    7,636 (2.75/day)
    Thanks Received:
    729
    We don't realistically.

    But also the 4870 can come pretty close...
    http://service.futuremark.com/resultComparison.action?compareResultId=522177&compareResultType=19

    We have to take into account that this card is at "Stock Clocks" if it's even real, and is on pre-release drivers.

    Do NOT take any of the numbers posted up as accurate, expect anywhere up to 20% or so off, if you look at a lot of cards numbers that seemingly get released before the release, they range from 5-20% off, in either direction.
  24. EastCoasthandle

    EastCoasthandle New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    6,889 (2.04/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,505
    If anything was tweaked I am willing to believe it was to optimize the shaders making them more efficient. Other then that we really have to wait and see once the card is released in order to know if anything was changed or not. That would IMO determine if drivers for the 4870 wouldn't be as effective for the 4890, for example.


    Furthermore, I honestly don't believe those results are correct. Here is a i7 920 and 4870 (750/900) stock using Vista:
    3D Marks 16057
    SM2.0 = 6013
    SM3.0 = 7481
    CPU = 5050
    CPU clocked at 2.673GHz
    source

    Yet they are claiming 16096 using 850/975 also using a i7 920. Come on, something is obviously not adding up with that result.
    3D Mark 16096
    sm 2.0 = 6155
    sm 3.0 = 7521
    cpu = 4836
    alexp999 says thanks.
  25. btarunr

    btarunr Editor & Senior Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    28,201 (11.42/day)
    Thanks Received:
    13,572
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    Your book excludes the ASIC design itself as a factor.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guest)

Share This Page