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Sad day for Swiftech and the H220 in the USA

Discussion in 'Overclocking & Cooling' started by sneekypeet, Jul 19, 2013.

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  1. sneekypeet

    sneekypeet Unpaid Babysitter Staff Member

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    Patents are the reason we can't have nice things.

    Sad day indeed for Swiftech as I really like the company and products.

    Gonna take me a while to read the specific PDFs but I will.
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Even though I am not in the US, I guess this means I'm SOL for buying one, too.
     
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    I did not see any mention of Canada, my guess is that people will be asking the canuks to get them one:D
     
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    I hope it will not be the same for Canada. I was hoping to have my sister buy one for me when she comes home for the holidays. I might as well ask her to buy one for me now if they're available.:ohwell:
     
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    I wonder if they're allowed to sell parts. They said we'd be able to buy the block and pump combo from it standalone but that never happened. If they can't sell the whole kit maybe now is the time.
     
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    That's it, Not buying anything from Asetek anymore. Patent trolls.
     
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    That explains why Newegg has been out of stock. Glad I found it elsewhere, it's a nice product.
     
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    Glad I have mine but this really sucks... would definitely have bought a second one for another build :shadedshu

    Are they going to stop selling the Apogee drive in the US as well?
     
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    I'm actually on Asetek's side here. They were, it seems, the first to come up with and patent the idea of a pump/waterblock combo. Other companies shouldn't be allowed to just steal the idea without some kind of compensation to Asetek.

    They're also the reason most people bother spending time/money innovating nice things.

    Probably not, the pump/block combo is the part they are claiming infringes on their patent. So selling it stand alone likely isn't an option.
     
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    I think you've mistaken patents with profit.
     
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    Didn't the original Apogee Drive unit come out before Asetek's AIO's? If it did and I know swiftec owns the patent on those it would mean that they should be able to sell the H220 pump without an issue by itself.
     
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    This it total hogwash. It seems to me that Gabe put out some serious resources and capital to create a product that was a vast improvement over other AIO systems. This type of setback could be devastating for Swiftech, one of my favorite companies.

    Seems like Asetek is following the business model of the Lemont Aircraft Corporation.
     
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    Their goes my hopes for a 280 version :ohwell:
     
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    well looks like i wont be getting one for review. Sad to cause I really wanted one.
     
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    But this is still available http://www.swiftech.com/ApogeeDrive2.aspx
     
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    Please follow the quote chain. If they were being blocked from selling the block/pump combos they would not be able to sell that either. I can still check out with that one. So if they can sell the parts of the H220 I wish they would.
     
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    Market it as:

    Swiftech H2O-X20 Lite (featuring the NEW Apogee II LE drive) ;)

    They would need to sell it broken out as a kit rather than a preassembled AIO but so what...
     
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    Whats wrong with a patent? Companies like Intel or Apple or Swiftech can't steal. :nutkick:

    I bet if someone stole your idea or design you would be the first to sue.
     
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    If I could patent a square with rounded corners and a button I would.
     
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    Excellent and amusing clarification. Though many of us already knew you've been doing that of late heh...

    Hey that sounds familiar.

    Edit: Patents themselves aren't the problem. The present system and the patent trolls are.
     
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    Asetek got a grant for their patent not so long ago so it's no surprise they hadn't sue before.

    I think Swiftech can sell their pump/block as a standalone product. The Asetek patent covers the complete kit with radiator and pump/block (if a kit has the pump located elsewhere it won't infringe Asetek's patent).
     
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    This is even worse than that idiotic patent for using a 140mm fan in a PSU... But not as bad as Apple's rounded rectangle.
    The US Patent Office really needs a revision or six.

    Nice going Asetek. Swiftech clearly outplayed you, so now you resort to suing, instead of improving your own offerings. Classy.
     

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