Sandy Bridge to Skylake. Is it worth it?

[jboydgolfer]

youre very lucky then to hit 5GHz because next to no one can without some mass cooling.

I have a 5 year old H-70Core edition from Corsair....

Actually I bought Two from My local Microcenter during launch, and they are both almost paralell performers. Same with the i7's we got too,,Maybe Microcenter got better chips, i dunno, but I've Always been lucky when i buy My Chips from them.plus i get a geek boner walking around all that PC hjarware in the Flesh

I also found that by rubbing cheetah blood on My GPU it sped up atleast 22% **fry**

 

[chinmi]

Nope... If you use your pc for gaming, buying a better gpu is a better option. If you already have a top of the line gpu, then buy anotherone for sli/cf... You'll get more performance upgrade that wY

 

[peche]

(~6% and 9% difference in favor of the 6700K)

the money some one can spent moving from sandy / ivy / haswell / devil's canyon or broadwell willl be worthless for such a small difference, also i really doubt that cannolake could brake the wall ... that's why im keeping my Ivy a couple of years more, if i could i will look for a 3770K for overclock ...

I have a 5 year old H-70Core edition from Corsair.

pics please! wanna see it

 

[LagunaX]

4.8ghz 2500k, ignore open CL:

4.8ghz 4790k, again ignore open CL:

Encoding and heavy multitasking times are cut by roughly 33% from the 2500k to the 4790k at the same clock speeds, not sure if hyperthreading was accounted for in the 4790k.
Skylake is supposedly 5% faster than Haswell too but not necessarily in gaming.

Up to you...

 

[jboydgolfer]

the money some one can spent moving from sandy / ivy / haswell / devil's canyon or broadwell willl be worthless for such a small difference, also i really doubt that cannolake could brake the wall ... that's why im keeping my Ivy a couple of years more, if i could i will look for a 3770K for overclock ...


pics please! wanna see it

you wanna see my Cooler?Hld on, gotta Shut Down. B-arghhhhh-B

 

[peche]

you wanna see my Cooler?Hld on, gotta Shut Down. B-arghhhhh-B

if is the one i thing yes....
blunded with some intel xtreme series?

REgards,

 

[Bansaku]

Is it worth it to upgrade? I personally think so. I just want your opinions on it.

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25% increase is all benchmark related, not real world gains. No real improvements in games (yes, even with PCI 3.0), and you are shaving seconds off a movie encode in Handbrake.

Let me ask you why you want to upgrade? Do you find your 2600K system underperforming or do you just want to upgrade for the sake of being current?

2 years ago I sold my 2600K CPU and MOBO to my older brother (regret because it could do 4.7GHz on stock voltage), last year I put together an i7 4770K system for his brother. Both have the GeForce 970 4GB and 8GB of 1600MHz RAM. After upgrading them to W10 I ran 3D Mark (for system stability test) and while I don't remember the exact score, both systems were virtually identical.

In all honesty I would use that money and spend it on a fast, large capacity SSD or upgrade the graphics card.

My 2 cents!

 

[peche]

25% increase is all benchmark related, not real world gains. No real improvements in games (yes, even with PCI 3.0), and you are shaving seconds off a movie encode in Handbrake.

Let me ask you why you want to upgrade? Do you find your 2600K system underperforming or do you just want to upgrade for the sake of being current?

2 years ago I sold my 2600K CPU and MOBO to my older brother (regret because it could do 4.7GHz on stock voltage), last year I put together an i7 4770K system for his brother. Both have the GeForce 970 4GB and 8GB of 1600MHz RAM. After upgrading them to W10 I ran 3D Mark (for system stability test) and while I don't remember the exact score, both systems were virtually identical.

In all honesty I would use that money and spend it on a fast, large capacity SSD or upgrade the graphics card.

My 2 cents!

agreed, instead spending money on a little improvement money can be used on something better such as Watercooling, SSD's or even better case / fans components well whatever that could improve your experience,


last month I got a decent offer for my setup, a exchange for a motherboard and another i7 4770k but no memory, nor SSD , I rejected that deal decided to replace my case, video card for this xmas and also if possible move to a custom water-cooling, keeping the current locked and delidded i7,

 

[jboydgolfer]

if is the one i thing yes....
blunded with some intel xtreme series?

REgards,

I dont think it is bundled with anything, its an AIO....they NO longer make this particular one, the closest one, is newer, but has a Smooth more flexible cable.IMO/IME, this thing is DEAD silent, I mean NO sound @ all. the older Corsair Pumps were good, i dunno if they changed 'Em, but Ive heard of people complaining about pump noise, this one is great.This Particular AIO, I bought @ Microcenter around 2010-11 it came with NO fans, which i wanted, and has Never let me down

Sorry for the oversized pics.

 

[happita]

4.8ghz 2500k, ignore open CL:

4.8ghz 4790k, again ignore open CL:

Encoding and heavy multitasking times are cut by roughly 33% from the 2500k to the 4790k at the same clock speeds, not sure if hyperthreading was accounted for in the 4790k.
Skylake is supposedly 5% faster than Haswell too but not necessarily in gaming.

Up to you...

Those are pretty much 2 entirely different systems; different RAM, graphics cards, and it also looks like the frequency is different on each CPU being compared. I don't think it's a fair representation of how much better a Skylake CPU would be considering these numbers. But I am in no way advocating for replacing a still highly capable Sandy Bridge for something that costs x amount more for little benefits.

 

[peche]

I dont think it is bundled with anything, its an AIO....they NO longer make this particular one, the closest one, is newer, but has a Smooth more flexible cable.IMO/IME, this thing is DEAD silent, I mean NO sound @ all. the older Corsair Pumps were good, i dunno if they changed 'Em, but Ive heard of people complaining about pump noise, this one is great.This Particular AIO, I bought @ Microcenter around 2010-11 it came with NO fans, which i wanted, and has Never let me down

Sorry for the oversized pics.

thanks..
nice old warrior!, By the way may i ask why you have the fan oulling air from rad?



Regards,

 

[jboydgolfer]

thanks..
nice old warrior!, By the way may i ask why you have the fan oulling air from rad?



Regards,

its a pull. Cold air(from outside the Case) in over the Rad. iff it was running the Other way it would be blowing out hot air Over the Rad., or if i set it up as the Fan Then the rad, it would look dumb,plus wouldnt fit with the fan against the case, Then the Rad.

 

[peche]

its a pull. Cold air(from outside the Case) in over the Rad. iff it was running the Other way it would be blowing out hot air Over the Rad., or if i set it up as the Fan Then the rad, it would look dumb,plus wouldnt fit with the fan against the case, Then the Rad.

does that configuration shows good results? is interesting because that place is supposed to be Exhaust of the case, not another intake... but let know moar!

 

[jboydgolfer]

does that configuration shows good results? is interesting because that place is supposed to be Exhaust of the case, not another intake... but let know moar!

nothing is predetermined, as the user YOU make it either the exhaust or Intake.The case in that img, is a Thermaltake Commander, which $35 price tag aside Still has Fantastic cooling(when set up right), but Not good consideration for Cooling/H2O loops(they were MUCH less common @ the time of that cases construction).So i had to go with one of a few locations, and the one in the IMG, was the Least intrusive, while being very effective @ cooling, and at the same time not killing my layout by taking up what little room i had left....I had to drill some "Custom" holes for that Rad, because it was too high using the predrilled ones, but it worked out VERY well. Hld on , I'll post some img's of what im getting.

Heres a Quick 4.7Ghz OC Just from changing the Multiplier to 47, nothing else, and it holds quite well. anything more, and I'd need to make some Voltage changes etc...for anything intesive atleast, it will hold around 4.8-4.9 IF i just browse the web etc.

 

[peche]

nothing is predetermined, as the user YOU make it either the exhaust or Intake.The case in that img, is a Thermaltake Commander, which $35 price tag aside Still has Fantastic cooling(when set up right), but Not good consideration for Cooling/H2O loops(they were MUCH less common @ the time of that cases construction).So i had to go with one of a few locations, and the one in the IMG, was the Least intrusive, while being very effective @ cooling, and at the same time not killing my layout by taking up what little room i had left....I had to drill some "Custom" holes for that Rad, because it was too high using the predrilled ones, but it worked out VERY well. Hld on , I'll post some img's of what im getting.

Heres a Quick 4.7Ghz OC Just from changing the Multiplier to 47, nothing else, and it holds quite well. anything more, and I'd need to make some Voltage changes etc...for anything intesive atleast, it will hold around 4.8-4.9 IF i just browse the web etc.

my friend here the question is, have you ever tried that setup in push / pull from inside the case?

I'm interested cause I hace the same case I thing .. thermaltake commander ms ii, with a Thermaltake Water3.0. pro so it can show better results than my cooler does at the moment, thanks for your brief explanation about the general question!


Regards,

 

[jboydgolfer]

my friend here the question is, have you ever tried that setup in push / pull from inside the case?

I'm interested cause I hace the same case I thing .. thermaltake commander ms ii, with a Thermaltake Water3.0. pro so it can show better results than my cooler does at the moment, thanks for your brief explanation about the general question!


Regards,

in my experience there is Little to NO gain using push&Pull @ the same time, over JUST push ,or Pull seperately.. Aside from spending more money, and taking up more room, there seems to be no difference( If You were to ask Me, I would tell You to Run One or the Other, either Push OR pull, but NOT both).If You want to decrease temps, and Your set-up is built in a case same or similar to mine, My recommendations are as follows...

#1 GOOD TIM, I use AS5, some say it sucks, but in my years of PC experience, I find it VERY effective.
#2 Good fans, with RPM/Flow control, my motherboard allows me to FULLY control My fans, which makes things easier, the temps i had in the images above were @ 1%-5% fans speed.(i use scythe Kaze/slipstream 120mm)
#3 Fan placement is VERY important, I use 1 low speed @ the front of my case(bottom of bezel), 1 @ the Top of My case High CFM/RPM(right above RAM/CPU) , and One pulling Cool air over My Rad( like You saw in the images above)High CFM/RPM ,It also makes sense to mention that I am running a "blower" GPU, but IME the difference between Aftermarket(dual/triple/single downward facing fans), and reference fan shrouds was minor @ best), I sometimes run a 4th fan Angled under My HDD cages in the front , facing upward @ a slight angle blowing over the GPU as well, but currently I am not. I personally run with a negative air pressure,or atleast try to, and it seems to serve Me best.
#4 finally, try to place Your Case in an area that has decent to Good air circulation,(no laying it on carpet, or stacking other warm electronics ontop of it).
#5 I run MY PSU with the PSU intake facing a vent, and the Outtake facing a vent, In my case this is upside Down, for others it might be different, just try to vent it out if you can.

I rarely break 70C on My GPU after Hours of 100% rendering, and NEVER break 65C on my CPU unless I REALLY go hard for a VERY extended period of time, and even then I cant remember a time that I registered over 75C. My Home IS central Air Cooled, but it is well over "room Temperature" or 73F.

try what works best for You, and go with the best outcome, Good Luck.

 

[peche]

dude thanks for the advice! indeed, good one!

 

[Hillbilly]

For me it is a no. Intel has been focusing on power consumption benifts since Sandy Bridge. While this has made the low end way better. It has changed the top end very little and without pressure from AMD coupled with no need for more performance. The enthusiast space has seen little increase.

 

[Aquinus]

Even if Skylake is 25% faster IPC-wise than Sandy, it doesn't mean much if the CPU isn't already your bottleneck. The question is, will that 25% improvement yield 25% more "performance" with respect to what you use your PC for. If you're doing anything that's CPU compute heavy, sure it will, or if you need the DRAM capacity that DDR4 offers. If it's a gaming machine and your goal is gaming performance, if the GPU can always get pegged out, then you're probably all set and don't need to upgrade.

For gaming, I usually think that when the GPU can't be driven to >95% usage with v-sync off, then a CPU upgrade may be in order. Otherwise, it very well might not get you a whole lot.

So it's a "Maybe, need more details." for me.

 

[EarthDog]

in my experience there is Little to NO gain using push&Pull @ the same time, over JUST push ,or Pull seperately

in the vast majority of cases, there are increases. This was tested empirically by skinee/martins. It would be very rare to not have an improvement...I can see little improvement with a low fpi rad using high static pressure fans. But with normal to high fpi rads, even with high static pressure fans, there is still improvement to be had going push/pull.

 

[jboydgolfer]

in the vast majority of cases, there are increases. This was tested empirically by skinee/martins. It would be very rare to not have an improvement...I can see little improvement with a low fpi rad using high static pressure fans. But with normal to high fpi rads, even with high static pressure fans, there is still improvement to be had going push/pull.

as i noted in my post, there is Little to no difference IME/IMO( so i am apparently not vast majority)... I dont particularly like to go with Other peoples results when i can get them myself, there are FAR too many variables, from Fan types, to case types, to Rad types, to cut outs in your case (so i only comment on what I know from personal experience for the most part)...I made it clear that these views were from MY set-up type, so I think My point is still perfectly valid.He toldd Me his set-up was close to mine, so i shared what I Know. Im running perfect temps,so gaining 2C-6C reduction, isnt what i consider noteworthy improvement.

 

[EarthDog]

Just making it clear that is against the grain and what is common in empirical testing... so people don't think your results are the rule.

so gaining 2C-6C reduction, isnt what i consider noteworthy improvement.

Oh but it is...you seem to be looking for miracles if 2-6C isn't 'noteworthy'.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Just making it clear that is against the grain and what is common in empirical testing... so people don't think your results are the rule.

Oh but it is...you seem to be looking for miracles if 2-6C isn't 'noteworthy'.

I have Made it VERY clear that I (me) do Not find it note-worthy..this is My personal experience. I could Not justify, having to add, a 120mm fan to the exterior of my case to simply achieve a 2-6C gain(since i lack the room for more internally). If you look @ the pics Peche asked me to post, I was running 4.7Ghz, @ 100% load, and My CPU package was running @ 36C. My set-up is perfectly fine, and beleive it or not, there is NO improvement to adding a second fan. for ME

Aliens achieved great things with only one Rad fan

as far as people thinking my results are the "norm", they could simply read the question peche asked of me, which states that He has the Same/Very similar build to mine, so I responded, but Also clearly stated that these were results for a Build Same or similar to mine. I think i covered all of it in MY earlier posts. but thanks for adding, and also for Your opinion sir.

now, im in a chat with newegg support, so i MUST digress, take care.

 

[EarthDog]

LOL

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Nope... If you use your pc for gaming, buying a better gpu is a better option. If you already have a top of the line gpu, then buy anotherone for sli/cf... You'll get more performance upgrade that wY

Im not going to bother with the headaches that dual GPU's bring.

25% increase is all benchmark related, not real world gains. No real improvements in games (yes, even with PCI 3.0), and you are shaving seconds off a movie encode in Handbrake.

Let me ask you why you want to upgrade? Do you find your 2600K system underperforming or do you just want to upgrade for the sake of being current?

2 years ago I sold my 2600K CPU and MOBO to my older brother (regret because it could do 4.7GHz on stock voltage), last year I put together an i7 4770K system for his brother. Both have the GeForce 970 4GB and 8GB of 1600MHz RAM. After upgrading them to W10 I ran 3D Mark (for system stability test) and while I don't remember the exact score, both systems were virtually identical.

In all honesty I would use that money and spend it on a fast, large capacity SSD or upgrade the graphics card.

My 2 cents!

Apparently you didnt look at my system specs. If you had, you would notice that I have a GTX 980 and 3 SSDs.