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I want to move a friend from his old AMD platform over to Intel. I suggested he go out and get a used setup like mine (CPU/MOB/RAM), at least as a starting point to get his feet wet. I can help him more particularly because I know the ins and outs of my system.

However some of the prices for i7/i5 2600ks and socket 1155 boards are kinda ridiculous. It makes me consider having him go Ivybridge instead, or maybe even Haswell for just a bit more cash.

Though I remember reading an article that there are inherent benefits to the newer chips of course, but that for day to day use and some gaming, the Ivybridge/Haswell were kind of a step backwards.

What's a good reference point to get him started on post Nehalem generation Intel platform without breaking the bank - used kit is acceptable.
 

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Does he want to overclock? If not, and it's just standard use with some gaming, for CPU I would recommend an i3-4130 up to 4160 whatever you prefer for him, depending what's on sale.
 

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how much is the budget? that is the most important part, you can buy whatever your budget lets you get, differences between Sandy, Ivy and Haswell are minimal, devils canyon offers a little bost on 4690K and 4790K, so … get what your money can pay… for gaming you don’t really need and i7, i5's are pretty capable for such task….
 

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Thing is there is so little between them you just go for the one you can get the best deal on.
 

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the thing here is … devil's canyon is the diference… ivy sandy and haswell are mostly the same, no real differences or big ones there…skylake will be a difference when DDR4 memory becomes mainstream and a little bit cheaper,
 

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the thing here is … devil's canyon is the diference… ivy sandy and haswell are mostly the same, no real differences or big ones there…skylake will be a difference when DDR4 memory becomes mainstream and a little bit cheaper,

Except he is "budget gaming" That effectively puts those chips out of the running.
 
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Thing is there is so little between them you just go for the one you can get the best deal on.
That was what I told him.

However...
the thing here is … devil's canyon is the diference… ivy sandy and haswell are mostly the same, no real differences or big ones there…skylake will be a difference when DDR4 memory becomes mainstream and a little bit cheaper,

He himself suggested Devil's Canyon from the start. Which I turned own immediately. Budget is probably around £200-£250
 

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the thing here is … devil's canyon is the diference… ivy sandy and haswell are mostly the same, no real differences or big ones there…skylake will be a difference when DDR4 memory becomes mainstream and a little bit cheaper,

I have Super Pi'd with my mate and his 4790K there is literally a second between us. There is just so little gains.
 

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What kind of budget are we talking about here? Without knowing that, it's hard to make a recommendation.
how much is the budget? that is the most important part, you can buy whatever your budget lets you get, differences between Sandy, Ivy and Haswell are minimal, devils canyon offers a little bost on 4690K and 4790K, so … get what your money can pay… for gaming you don’t really need and i7, i5's are pretty capable for such task….
CPU means less and less as you increase resolution. I would go so far to say starting with a half-capable i3 would even be adequate for most circumstances. Now I know my i7 is a quad core, but it's still a Sandy CPU and I don't feel that I ever need to overclock it to have a half-decent experience at 1080p. If you can find an i5 or i3 that boosts 3.4-3.8Ghz or higher, you'll probably be in good shape for most games.

Edit: I see budget was posted, 250 - 300GBP, hmmm. Going Intel might be tricky, I would have to think about that. I would still lean towards a new i3 if you can manage to make it fit into the budget.
I have Super Pi'd with my mate and his 4790K there is literally a second between us. There is just so little gains.
Even more so when compute heavy tasks benefit more from improved cache and memory, when most applications won't, but that only proves your point further. :)
 

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If you can find an i5 or i3 that boosts 3.4-3.8Ghz or higher, you'll probably be in good shape for most games.

That's exactly why I suggested the Haswell i3-41xx family. They all run full time between 3.4GHz and 3.6Ghz.
 
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I want to move a friend from his old AMD platform over to Intel. I suggested he go out and get a used setup like mine (CPU/MOB/RAM), at least as a starting point to get his feet wet. I can help him more particularly because I know the ins and outs of my system.

However some of the prices for i7/i5 2600ks and socket 1155 boards are kinda ridiculous. It makes me consider having him go Ivybridge instead, or maybe even Haswell for just a bit more cash.

Though I remember reading an article that there are inherent benefits to the newer chips of course, but that for day to day use and some gaming, the Ivybridge/Haswell were kind of a step backwards.

What's a good reference point to get him started on post Nehalem generation Intel platform without breaking the bank - used kit is acceptable.

Which AMD platform is he coming from? Knowing exactly what he has right now will help us determine what's best in the future.

I have Super Pi'd with my mate and his 4790K there is literally a second between us. There is just so little gains.

SuperPi is a very old benchmark. WPrime is a multithreaded variant and should show larger gains.
 

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SuperPi is a very old benchmark. WPrime is a multithreaded variant and should show larger gains.

It was the latest one we could find. But yeah I hear your angle
 
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I want to move a friend from his old AMD platform over to Intel. I suggested he go out and get a used setup like mine (CPU/MOB/RAM), at least as a starting point to get his feet wet. I can help him more particularly because I know the ins and outs of my system.

However some of the prices for i7/i5 2600ks and socket 1155 boards are kinda ridiculous. It makes me consider having him go Ivybridge instead, or maybe even Haswell for just a bit more cash.

Though I remember reading an article that there are inherent benefits to the newer chips of course, but that for day to day use and some gaming, the Ivybridge/Haswell were kind of a step backwards.

What's a good reference point to get him started on post Nehalem generation Intel platform without breaking the bank - used kit is acceptable.
From what I see on the used market, one of the best options available is the Z77 platform with an i5 3570K. Those seem to be the only deals for used chips I would consider if your looking for something along the lines of a budget Intel system and still want overclocking and 4 cores. Sandy Bridge prices a lot of times stay high because a lot of people have them and they overclock so well while Haswell is still to new to get much of a deal.

If you want new the best bet would be a good motherboard and something like an i3 for now then working towards a better one in the future. Otherwise if yo uwant to go used I would take a look around for a used Ivy-Bridge platform system.
 

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After further conversation he admits he will spend some time doing transcoding and decoding, and he also runs SQL while at home for work purposes.
I am wondering if the i3s or even older Sandy i5s are going to be sufficient for what he wants at that end of the spectrum.

I do not remember what platform he has currently, I do know he recently acquired a R9 290 GPU and 16GB RAM. He runs this on 1080p.
 

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The i3's should be up to the task of transcoding...I don't know about decoding.
 

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The i3's should be up to the task of transcoding...I don't know about decoding.
no my friend, im afraid that some i3's ... mostly sandies and Ivy's are not enough for decoding, also SQL demand so much from a processor, so i may suggest that i5 is the minimum finalist, desired to be i7... here in the office we have the following list for Work:


Tier 1 computers: Callcenter operators,

intel i3, 500Gb hdd, 4GB DDR3 Ram memory, 400W PSU, 2 Fans Generic Case,
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intel i5, 750GB HHD, 4GB DDR3 ram memory, 400W PSU, 2 Fans Generic Case.
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Tier 3 computers, accountings tiers, supervisors,

intel i7 750GB HHD, 8GB DDR3 ram memory, 500W PSU, 2 Fans Generic Case.
Win7x64enng, Symantec AV, Office 2007, Flash player, adobe and google chrome for Google drive, Voip Phone, scaners and printers shared on network.[Sap microsistems accesses, ] admin network shared folders, voip admin accesses, sql and other data base accesses,

Tier X computers, mostly IT guys, systems or company owners group,
intel i7 2x500GB, raid or SSD storge options, , 16GB DDR3 ram memory, 500W PSU, 2 Fans Generic Case.
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My computers are on Tier X Group which is almost IT department computers, office allow ius to customize and manage our own computers, also if available hardware upgrade .
 
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no my friend, im afraid that some i3's ... mostly sandies and Ivy's are not enough for decoding, also SQL demand so much from a processor, so i may suggest that i5 is the minimum finalist, desired to be i7... here in the office we have the following list for Work:

Actually, now that I think about it, decoding takes much less work than transcoding, and both my server (see ancient Xeon in signature), which also runs SQL without a problem, and my HTPC i3-4130 can do transcoding pretty well. Am I correct on decoding being less intensive than transcoding?
 
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(forgive me if I get the UK pricing all screwed up)
IMHO, it doesn't make sense to buy the older platform (1155) because of the very affordable B85, H97 and even Z97 motherboards out there. That and an i3, and hopefully his old RAM, and he's good to go. MSI H97/Z97 PC Mate comes to mind. (stupid PCpartpicker-UK won't allow proper searching with B85 - you can't select B85 under chipsets) I am seeing B85 motherboards under £50, which gives you up to £200 for a CPU.
Okay, now that I've looked at UK pricing, how about starting with an i5-4690(£167) and then matching that to a motherboard with the features he wants. Or a ~£100 motherboard and an i5-4460 for £143, although £24 is not that much more for the i5-4690.
@newconroer , might be a good time to upgrade your system.;)
 

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SQL only really take a lot of CPU power if you have a lot of people accessing it. A current gen i3 can easily handle up to 5 users or even more, it largely depends on how big the databases are and how complex the queries are. I've got i3-4160 servers with 10 users accessing SQL and it is plenty fast. I can't really see a home environment being that stressful with SQL. My guess is he'll probably be the sole user, so an i3 should be just fine.

I do not remember what platform he has currently, I do know he recently acquired a R9 290 GPU and 16GB RAM.

That sounds like he is probably running a platform that is already DDR3, so he doesn't need new memory. Just a new CPU and Motherboard. So the budget can be stretched a lot further. He could probably squeeze in a 4690K and Z97 motherboard(I'd say AsRock Z97 Extreme3) for just about £250. I don't see a reason to go with a dated used platform.

Edit: After looking on pcpartspicker, it seems a 4690K and Z97 board would be about £275 after taxes and everything. So, if he really wants to stay under the £250, or he just doesn't care about overclocking, then a 4690 and H97 board would do. Even the H97/4690 setup would crush whatever AMD he currently has.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.00 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£76.09 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £243.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-29 20:19 BST+0100
 
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Actually, now that I think about it, decoding takes much less work than transcoding, and both my server (see ancient Xeon in signature), which also runs SQL, and my HTPC i3-4130 can do transcoding. Am I correct on decoding being less intensive than transcoding?
have seen i3 getting slow because lots of work .... they are so brave... fearless processors with limits for sure... i preffer i5's or i7s for the win ...
by the way the word overkill doesn't exists on my dictionary,
 

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Dunno where you live, but here €200 would definitely get you a K CPU and a capable motherboard.
 
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After further conversation he admits he will spend some time doing transcoding and decoding, and he also runs SQL while at home for work purposes.
I am wondering if the i3s or even older Sandy i5s are going to be sufficient for what he wants at that end of the spectrum.

I do not remember what platform he has currently, I do know he recently acquired a R9 290 GPU and 16GB RAM. He runs this on 1080p.

It really depend what AMD processor your mate is upgrading from. If your mate is coming from a FX 8xxx and plans on doing lots of transcoding and decoding then a Sandy i3 would be a catastrophically bad idea and a sandy i5 wouldn't make sense.

We really need to know your mates current CPU otherwise we could be advising him wrong.

If you don't know what he has got. Then the safest best is best value high-end Haswell you can find.
 
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I would say get least an i5 as some games won't run on dual core chips.
 
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