seagates died :(

[cdawall]

if its HDD's go for Maxtor or Wester Digital they are the best

maxtor is made by seagate in a seagate facility with seagate parts

 

[eidairaman1]

Hard drives running hot do not cause failure, in fact drives that run cooler tend to have a higher failure rate.

ya if they are outside their operational temperature bracket, its just like Humans and Vehicles, if temps are too cold they dont function properly.

if its HDD's go for Maxtor or Wester Digital they are the best

Maxtor is not its own company anymore, they are owned by Seagate. I recall WD having only a 1 year warranty on their products and Seagate having 5 years.

it seems Seagate reduced theirs by 2 and WD increased by 4.

Im wary of WD due to replacing many in customer machines. I also noticed in the day they were slower overall than even the Hitachi that had less Cache.

 

[TeachMe]

sorry my bad lol just got that news,

 

[newtekie1]

Western Digital used to offer 1, 3, and 5 year warranties depending on the drive.

Seagate used to offer 5 years warranties on all drives.

Now Western Digital offers 3 and 5 year warranties depending on the drive, and Seagate offers 3 and 5 year warranties depending on the drive.

 

[MKmods]

http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

R The trend doesn't start to go back up until past the 45C mark, and it ain't easy to get a drive over 45C(as evident by the fact that the number of drives in the study that were running over 50C is extremely small).

You can not believe it all you want, that doesn't make it any less true.

True by Google standards is not always true for the rest of us standards...

My Legos Hdd usually runs in the mid 20C range. I put it into an enclosure similar to the one in question and within 10 min the temps rose to 39C (and all im doing is surfing)

Not many of us have climate controlled rooms for our comps like Google does..

My room temp is 68F (AC is on full blast) if the room temp was raised the temp of the Hdd would as well.

Mounting a harddrive inside a case (which is full of much warmer air than ambient) would further raise the temps even more...

45C and above is easy for a Hdd drive to get to..

EDIT: ok its now 20min after I put the drive into the enclosure and I got 41C (remember this is in a cool room)

 

[eidairaman1]

I would assume this data is found on the Seagate and WD Website?

I do notice that Samsung has the longest warranty 7 years

Hitachi does have quick drives, they turned around the Deskstar name, IBM was suffering due to Deathstar.

here is what happened to most IBM Deskstar HDs http://www.astro.ufl.edu/~ken/crash/index.html
that and then headcrashes.

I had a 80GB drive in 2001 that had problems, i wound up moving to an 80GB WD which seemed sluggish.

Western Digital used to offer 1, 3, and 5 year warranties depending on the drive.

Seagate used to offer 5 years warranties on all drives.

Now Western Digital offers 3 and 5 year warranties depending on the drive, and Seagate offers 3 and 5 year warranties depending on the drive.

 

[newtekie1]

True by Google standards is not always true for the rest of us standards...

My Legos Hdd usually runs in the mid 20C range. I put it into an enclosure similar to the one in question and within 10 min the temps rose to 39C (and all im doing is surfing)

Not many of us have climate controlled rooms for our comps like Google does..

My room temp is 68F (AC is on full blast) if the room temp was raised the temp of the Hdd would as well.

Mounting a harddrive inside a case (which is full of much warmer air than ambient) would further raise the temps even more...

45C and above is easy for a Hdd drive to get to..

EDIT: ok its now 20min after I put the drive into the enclosure and I got 41C (remember this is in a cool room)

There are not "google standards" heat is heat, and failure is failure.

High heat doesn't kill drives, the numbers don't lie. The cooler drives had higher failure rates. And even in an enclosure with no airflow, 50C+ is unlikely for a drive.

 

[MKmods]

High heat doesn't kill drives,

good luck with that

my Hdd in the enclosure is up to 44C and ambient is only 72F
EDIT: now 46C and ambient is still 72F.

 

[newtekie1]

good luck with that

my Hdd in the enclosure is up to 44C and ambient is only 72F
EDIT: now 46C and ambient is still 72F.

I don't need luck, the numbers don't lie. As Wile E said, excessive temperatures kill drives, but anything below 50C has no affect on failure rates. You don't need a huge amount of airflow, or in some situations any airflow, to keep a drive out of the "excessive" temperature range.

 

[freaksavior]

So this thread has now turned into an argument about hdd temperatures, how seagate "had" a bad firmware and "how wd is SO much better" (sarcasm intended), see last time i check, I thought this thread was about me getting a 750gb hdd rma'd?

please correct me if im wrong.

 

[cdawall]

So this thread has now turned into an argument about hdd temperatures, how seagate "had" a bad firmware and "how wd is SO much better" (sarcasm intended), see last time i check, I thought this thread was about me getting a 750gb hdd rma'd?

please correct me if im wrong.

you are in fact wrong

 

[MKmods]

So this thread has now turned into an argument about hdd temperatures, how seagate "had" a bad firmware and "how wd is SO much better" (sarcasm intended), see last time i check, I thought this thread was about me getting a 750gb hdd rma'd?

please correct me if im wrong.

there is no argument (Google thinks Heat=FTW!)

Seagate did have bad firmware

WD "IS" so much better

I thought this thread was to help you solve the prob... So if you get new Hdds and put them in the same enclosure and they go dead again we can deduce you didnt pay attention....

 

[newtekie1]

there is no argument (some people think Heat=FTW!)

No, some people just disagree that heat=FTL. And some of us certainly dis-agree that the enclosure caused the drives to overheat, and they failed because they were too hot.

I think it is more of a power issue than a heat issue, both drives wouldn't have died at the same time if it was just heat, as each drive would have handled the heat differently and for different amounts of time.

 

[freaksavior]

lol, alright.

 

[MKmods]

just to be clear both Hdds were inside the hot swap case?

If so have you tried using a different Hdd in it? Just in case it was heat a piece of electronics may have failed (as well as the rest connected to it)

 

[DrPepper]

I'd think it was a power surge or something of that nature. I'd sure be freaked though that two died one after the other.

 

[freaksavior]

yes, used a ssd and a lappie drive.

I talked to our seagate rep at bestbuy and he's pissed that they wouldn't RMA my drive.

i think the ST750630 drives are from a oem as in gateway, hp, dell ect. and the 750630's are newegg, tigerdirect, ect

 

[Wile E]

there is no argument (Google thinks Heat=FTW!)

Seagate did have bad firmware

WD "IS" so much better

I thought this thread was to help you solve the prob... So if you get new Hdds and put them in the same enclosure and they go dead again we can deduce you didnt pay attention....

Mark, you aren't comprehending this properly, excessive heat kills drives, not just regular high heat. As in overheating, not running hot. Up to about 45C, there is little difference in life span, and certainly is not enough for sudden death.

And the bigger point you are missing is, he smelled burning, and then both drives quit at the same time. That right there throws the overheating theory out the window. It was an electrical event of some sort.

The last HDD I killed from heat, I put in a fanless enclosure, and it didn't fail until I hammered it for 4 hours at 65C. I put a 40mm 5cfm fan in that enclosure, and never had another heat related death occur, as subsequent drives haven't gotten above 50C in that enclosure. The 80mm fan in his enclosure is more than enough to get the job done.

The short version is, the nature and timing of his failures, rules out overheating, regardless on anyone's opinion on the effects of heat on hard drives.

 

[MKmods]

I get that...I put my drive into an enclosure yesterday and took it out last night when it finally hit 53C.
That was external with the benefit of having the ambient temp in the low to mid 70F range. Now imagine that Hard drive mounted into a case crammed with wires (where the inside temp can be in the 90s (F))stuffed into a cabinet/desk somewhere. So when someone says

Hard drives running hot do not cause failure,

Some may see that and think there is no reason to keep their drives from frying...

It is LIKELY that many Hdds are running at that level (50-60).

And having 2 drives fail at the same time by heat directly is unlikely, but if there was an electronics failure of the enclosure or an electronics failure on 1 of the drives (possibly caused by excess heat) its conceivable that it took out the other one as well.

When there is a prob its best to eliminate as many causes as you can.

 

[BumbleBee]

http://www.silentpcreview.com/forum...ghlight=&sid=5b6d7e6070a0951e5b4e21af4d6cfa32

ugh you quoted me. i'm now on the wall of shame.

 

[MKmods]

how can bringing enjoyment (as well as good info) to others be equated with shame?..

 

[Wile E]

I get that...I put my drive into an enclosure yesterday and took it out last night when it finally hit 53C.
That was external with the benefit of having the ambient temp in the low to mid 70F range. Now imagine that Hard drive mounted into a case crammed with wires (where the inside temp can be in the 90s (F))stuffed into a cabinet/desk somewhere. So when someone says


Some may see that and think there is no reason to keep their drives from frying...

It is LIKELY that many Hdds are running at that level (50-60).

And having 2 drives fail at the same time by heat directly is unlikely, but if there was an electronics failure of the enclosure or an electronics failure on 1 of the drives (possibly caused by excess heat) its conceivable that it took out the other one as well.

When there is a prob its best to eliminate as many causes as you can.

Heat doesn't cause an electronics failure unless the drive was damn near on fire.

And whether you like it or not Mark, Google has collected a hell of a lot more info on this than all of us put together. If they say operating temps in the 45-55 range don't kill drives, they have data from thousands of dead drives to prove it. It wasn't an empty statement, but one verified thru facts.

And there's no way those drives overheated in that enclosure anyway, so long as the fan was working. It takes very little airflow to keep a drive in operating temps.

 

[freaksavior]

seagate refuses to rma it. ugh.

guess im buying a new 750

or maybe i'll get another ssd and use the 500gb as data storage

 

[mudkip]

I also had a Seagate 250GB died after a year or so...

bad BAD quality products

 

[freaksavior]

I also had a Seagate 250GB died after a year or so...

bad BAD quality products

how many died? one!?

I cant stand people who hate a product they never have tried or had one bad experience with.

Im not saying this is or that is you, but it happens day after day.

i've had great results from seagate, this is my one time that i haven't. i will keep buying them anyway.