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sennheiser pc 350's what the heck?

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  1. DEFEATEST

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    Hi guys, happy holidays! I was lucky enough to get a pair of sennheiser pc 350's from santa to replace my Zalman Theatre 5.1's and am I'm quite dissapointed in the sennheisers so far. Am I doing something wrong here? I have them hooked up to my trusty xfi xtreme music which my Zalmans just sounded incredible on IMHO. But these senns sound like 30 dollar headphones??? and they werent 30 bucks! I get that I have lost the surround sound but I just dont feel the "atmosphere" in the games that I play, kinda feel like im in a box running around. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong as these heaphones have gotten decent reviews. Is it just a case of the new sound and my ears not used to it?
     
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    The thing about headphones is that you have a thing called "burn in time" it's the time that it takes for the headphones to "wear in" in order to get the crisp sound. Any type of headphone that costs over $70ish dollars need to have that burn in time. Best thing I can say to you is this. Run music with the headphones on, while your doing the little things. This will help burn in the headphones faster. Do it for about 4 days, then try them.

    Also note that every headphone is built differently. For instance, If I want to have a good bassy type headphone then I'll go with some Audio Technica ATHAD500-700. Or if you want a good all around sound then go with the Sennheiser HD 595-650 series..

    Give the Sennheiser's some time to burn in. Then if they still suck, just sell them off and go from there. But, I believe with them you'll see the difference after hours of burn in time is done.
     
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    I'll give that a try thanks! They are bassy enough for me thats for sure. Not what I expected. Could also be my settings.
     
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    check your settings for sound output... if I keep my sound set to quad, and put headphones on it sounds like ass... but if I change it to 2 stereo, my lil' cheapies sound damn good :toast:
     
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    Well. the thing about the Sennheiser PC350 is that they use the HD 595 drivers on the headphones. With that, your getting some of the quality that is the Sennheiser HD 595's. Meaning, they will be needing to have a burn in time due to the drivers that they used.

    The xtreme Music can make things rather bassy if you set it up right. I've had one for awhile, till I went to have the caps taken out and just linked together. With every headset, you will have to play with the way your set-up is on your card. It's best to make multi set-ups to know what to use for this or that. Everyone is different about how they like their sound. I take after my father. Bass!! Lol.
     
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    As Cold Storm storm said about burn in well it goes for all speakers. Thing is whats great to one person is horrible to another even more so when it comes to sound.

    I've never liked there headphones there's few i do. Technics are about the only one with a few exceptions as a lot do not go low enough on the base response for me or have to much mid range. I know for a fact i would not like them but thats me.
     
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    I'm in the process of grabbing a pair of Equation Audio RP-21 for myself as my headphones.

    Asrock is right.. It all depends on the person wearing the headset.

    Also, a great place to go and read up on headphones is a web-site called Head-fi. It's forum based, and as I see viewers of this thread, Sneekypeet knows quite well of the site. :)
     
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    Should I be using some drivers? The headphones didnt come with a setup disk or anything. Is there drivers I should download for them?
     
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    Just to check:

    1./ Check your soundcard and make sure that all treble/bass/aural exciters are set to ZERO
    2./ Make sure the impedence setting is correct on the soundcard (if you have that option)
    3./ Set to stereo headphones, NOT, anything else whatsoever
    4./ Make sure and EAD/filters etc. are OFF

    Remember that your ears got used to your old set up and take a while to "retune" themselves. You could also try running your soundcard into a hi-fi amplifier and then drive your headphones from the amp. It is sounds very different, then your soundcard set up is all wrong or CANT drive your headphones properly.
     
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    There isn't any drivers needed. when I said that they used the HD595 drivers, it was ment that your headset is but a clone of the Sennheiser HD595. If you ever open it up you'll see a small device. That does everything for the headphones.

    Sorry about confusing you on the matter. I tend to forget about telling people what "drivers" are in headphones.
     
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    LOL, i never really thought about it till you said LMAO.
     
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    Lol. It doesn't even start to happen till you go with the whole 5.1 channel stuff.. Then you do have drivers with the Mic/style headsets. But, it's not used for the computer.. Just the circuit that's in the headset itself...
     
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    As lemonadesoda said, check your card settings.

    Turn off all the so called sound enhancing software. It just degrades the sound.
    And do check that both the sound card software and games are set for 2 channel. Otherwise you will not hear half the audio.

    Once you've done that, you can try turning on any settings 1 at a time, to see if they help or hinder the sound.
     
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    Well i was thinking confused by "Driver" as it's how a speaker is designed. Maybe just me lol.. Had just woke up when i read the thread.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker#Driver_types
     
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    Well , here's what I did. I have 3 splitters coming out of my xfi sound card. I like it that way I dont have to keep going back there to plug/unplug headphones and 5.1 speakers. Anyhoo, I hooked both pairs of headphones up at the same time. So my Zalmans and the Sennheisers and ran them both on headphone settings. I then ran them both through my fave games at the moment (BF2, left4dead, COD4 and far cry) and I also ran some tunes through them. Everything from ACDC to placido domingo! And I dont what the heck I'm doing wrong but my Zalmans sound waayyy better to me. Like insanely better. And for games, my zalmans were set to headphones and they still sounded way better. ( I usually have them set to 5.1) I don't know if its just me or WTF but that really pees me off!! My wife would sh$t if she knew I was complaining! I begged for them for xmas :) I will let the burn thing run it's course but I can't imagine it making that much of a difference. When I shoot a gun in a FPS, it feels like I'm holding it close to my body with the Zalmans. With the senns it feels kinda like I'm watching someone play a FPS on youtube. I'm not kidding. I mean the senns are not bright at all, it always feels like Im in a box kinda, no real highs or lows. I could prolly reinstall my xfi drivers...... sooo lost and dissapointed! :(
     
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    Disable all that headphone mode garbage and set it to defaults (2 channel stereo) also ditch those splitters are they are adding considerable line noise.

    Also i find it hard to beleave those headphones are using the same drivers as the 350's are 38mm drivers and the 595s are larger.

    Something to also note is your looking at 400+hours to break those in, not 4 days.

    I have not heard the 350s myself though I have used pretty much the entire HD lineup 500s up to 650's and i can say when setup correctly any HD series should SMOKE those zalmans.

    I would return the 350s if you can and get a pair of 555's or 595s, though if you do be prepared to also invest in an amp for them, as well as soem decent cables, as any sound card will not have NEAR the power required to drive those cans properly.

    I use a pair of HD500's with an external mic without any issues, no feedback/background noise nothing. Mind you I also listen at sensible volume levels...

    Also dont run those headphones over ~50-60% volume for a few months untill they start to break in, as you can develope poor reflex habbits for the drivers. Just leave the headphones playing a mix of music on all the time, this will accelerate "break in"

    If you are still not impressed with those cans, or dont want to bother with a HD series/amp i would suggest investing in another pair of zalmans.

    on the note about breakin you will notice a HUGE improvement, like night to day comparison.
     
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    Here you go from the mouth of a Sennheiser rep himself stating that the PC 350 has the same drivers as the 595

    :toast:

    As for everything else Tau. You are right on the fact that it will take somewhere towards 400 hours in order to get them "broken in"..

    I just don't feel the need to tell someone to go and grab all that for just the little things. Yeah, I only have the small babies, but even listing to the HD650's and having that hand built amp running it off tubes, I don't feel the need for it. That's me, and my best friend goes crazy over it. But, that's a true Audiophiler there.. has a home made portable amp just for the grado's that he has..

    If he feels like doing so, then your leading him in the right direction, but for just leasury stuff.. Those PC350's should be good enough. And like you have said also. If he doesn't like them in a few weeks, sell it, and buy another Zalman set.

    Suomi!
     
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    I saw that post, im willing to bet their not though.

    The drivers are not even the same physical size, let alone comparable spec.

    by same driver maybe they mean the cone is the same.... not the rest of the magnets, coil, diaphrams etc... :laugh:

    the HD595s are more headphone than the 350s could ever aspire to be, and will sound 500 times better.
     
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    HD650's are nothing special, frankly i think their a bit of a waste with so many other more viable options out there...
     
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    As for the HD650 reference.. You have your own thoughts on it, as does others.

    It could be that it's just the coils that are used the same for the PC350 as the HD595's. You'll have to go into the data sheets all together just to know what the truth is..

    The Hd's are more then what the Pc's can ever be. They are built that way.
     
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    Well I am a man who does not quit so I will take your advice, though I do find it strange that a company would put a set of "gamer" headphones on the market that take 400 hours to "break in". you know what I mean? Especially if you need an amp and all that jazz to really get out of them what they can give. And how do reviewers give these things great scores on gaming? Do they break them in? Thanks for all you help guys and I'll keep at er'

    Def

    Also where would I find default 2 channel settings in xfi console or in windows console? Not seeing either. Its not 2.1 speakers is it?
     
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    It depends on how you define great sound really.The Zalman headphones pump out a lot of bass, and if you lean towards a bass heavy sound that could be it. Plus the surround feature is nice in some games that fully supports it. Like all the other said try turning off all the effects in the X-Fi suite and make sure you are not using the wrong output setup 2.1/4.1/5.1 it should be set to headphones.

    I seriously doubt that Sennheiser would put the HD595 drivers in a closed set of headphones. I believe they have only done that once when they put HD555 drivers in one of the lower end closed headphones with horrible results. Making closed back headphones is hard because you are constantly battling the reverberations from the enclosure. So all of a sudden dampening, and enclosure material begins to matter.

    And yea the Sennheiser HD650s are beast, you just need a fully balanced source, amplifier, and upgrade cable then they sound amazing :)
     
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    I dont use an xfi card so im not sure on that end, just make sure its all set to default, and any effects are all switched off. everything set to neutral.

    I actually just had a lengthly conversation with a friend of mine who owned a pair of PC350s, and he was not impressed at all with them, so judging from his description of them, and yours i think your on the money with em. but they may get better after breakin, and once they are being properly drivin... though i wouldent hold my breath.



    ^^ I remember when they did that,

    I agree the 650's are nice... but alot of people expect to be able to plug those into their ipod and have them sound great... they dont think about what they need to drive those babys.

    Personally i like the AKG 701's :rockout:
     
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    I got a pair of the sennheiser HD600
    They sound fantastic on my 12 channel mackie mixer (through a pre-amp) but absolutely suck balls through my soundcard straight.

    Thing is they need a preamp as they need amplification and the soundcard dosent hav e the power to run them properly.

    If you going to get a good pair of cans, you need to amp them with enough juice or they wont sound great
     

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