So sad and at a loss

[xvi]

I'm going to agree with a lot of people here and say photos with everything plugged in as it was would help.

I see OP has a speaker hooked up, so we should be getting POST codes. If system fans won't even spin up, I'd say motherboard.

Also, OP, if you could be more descriptive of what happens (or doesn't) when you hit the power button. I'd make absolutely sure your power switch is hooked up properly.

 

[Ultra Taco]

So the nothing will turn on with the new vishera processor because the bios isn't updated?


To Norton: The nzxt cooler instructions don't say to plug into the 4 pin cpu cooler, it say to connect fant to pump fan output cable and then to connect 3 pin power cable from pump to cpu 3 power on the motherboard.

To brandon: The 8pin is unplugged along with everything. After I tested another XFX Core edition Pro that I bought as a replacement thinking it was the power supply, I unplugged everything to be cautious of hurting the computer...

But it gave me the same result of.... Nothing. But I did indeed connect everything where it should be, the only places they can go, following the mobo instructions to the letter when I tried. In these photos everything is disconnected, but when I tested they were connected properly.

I will hook everything back up now and repost some updated pictures asap

Thank you so much techpower up community!

 

[Huddo93]

I would take the components out of the case, find a nice big piece of cardboard or wood (non conductive surface) and set up the computer on that, it will allow you to work on the computer much more easily, swap and test, and send us some much clearer photos. It would seem to me that the motherboard could be causing problems. If it was the processor (outdated bios) wouldn't you be getting at-least some part through the boot process? (not 100% sure, never built on AM3+). Which leaves the motherboard I would believe.

Please build the computer outside the case, and plug everything in, and then send us some new pictures. We need to make sure your aren't making any simple mistakes in the build process

Fingers crossed we can help you figure out the source of the problem. Nothing worse than spending money and feeling like it was a complete waste.

Edit: Grammar/Spelling

 

[Ultra Taco]

Grrr

I plugged everything in and took some updated photos, but achieved failure once again.

Norton: I put the 4 pin cpu fan in the socket after everything was plugged in and it didn't work

Everything is hooked up all flush, nothing happens when I push the power button..

Funny, I fixed two seniors computers today and they complemented me on my computer knowledge... I do know a lot about the components as far as the reviews and all the countless hours of research I've done because I;m a fan... But as I've recently discovered.... I'm a noob

 

[Ultra Taco]

Thanks for your reply huddo93, I will take it out I guess.

I would like to wait a half an hour more before doing that though, just incase someone can look at the updated photos and point out something I've been missing or suggest another problem or idea.

Thanks once again

 

[jsfitz54]

Maybe I missed it but did you try shorting the power on pins as suggested?

That is the two wire lead that goes from the power button to the board. You can use a screw driver to touch both pins at the same time.

Also, make sure the 24 pin is fully seated and the plastic retention clip is solid. Same with 8 pin.

Did you put any cables between the case and the back of the motherboard to hide wires? The solder points on the back can pierce a wire and cause a short.

CPU fan header pin needs to be used: at the top of board above cpu slightly to the right.

 

[PHaS3]

I have the same board and never had the issue you seem to have. If everything is plugged in correctly, as everyone else has suggested, the you might need a bios update for Vishera processor support.

I am up to date with the BIOS on my board, but I have a Phenom II 1100T so never had cpu support issues.

Bios updates can be found here:

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/990FXA-GD65.html#/?div=BIOS

Do at your own risk.

 

[Ultra Taco]

Thanks for you advice and nice fish!

Which one should I short? There is no two pin connecter, only something named jbat1 which the manual says is the cmos header? I don't know..

I had the new bios loaded on to a flash drive and ready to go once power was established.. Do you really think the CPU　would cause everything to be unpowered including the fans? I will uninstall the cpu if you think that's case.

All the power connectors are firmly and evenly in place and inserted into their designated outlets. I was routing the cables through the back for management and took off the back panel to see if the cable could be shorting the mobo but they weren't, they were all on the metal protective casing not in contact with the mobo.

Thanks again... I'm about ready to jump off a bridge though... This was sucha big investment for me..

 

[PHaS3]

As was suggested before, you could take everything out of the chassis, run the motherboard etc flat on a clean, dry surface. This would eliminate any possibility of something shorting the board. You would need to short the power connector (the pins the power switch on the chassis connects to). Chances are if you are unsure which these are it could possibly be that you plugged the power button into the incorrect pins.

I've seen a few machines not show any signs of life due to a short under the board. If the above works, then check the chassis motherboard tray for debris or anything else causing a short.

 

[jsfitz54]

short the #8 and #6 pins.

SEE BOTTOM RIGHT

By shorting I mean you put a screwdriver blade between the pins for a few seconds, just like when you cold boot and press a switch for on, you don't hold the switch in for a long time. Your just touching the 2 pins briefly.

 

[D007]

Soo easy to plug into the wrong pins.. basically what you are doing is creating your own power button.. Just in the form of a screwdriver..lol.. So if there is a mechanical failure in the button, it won't matter..

I am hoping you took everything out of the case, as has been recommended. You really need to remove possibilities at this point and that's the way to do it.. Could simply have a bad power button on the chasis or something..

 

[PHaS3]

Here is a post i made a while back in the Your PC ATM thread. From it you should be able to see all the cables you need to connect to get the board to boot.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2808492&postcount=22756

You cant see the order of the front panel connectors nicely, but jsfitz54 kindly supplied the layout for you from the manual.

 

[d1nky]

this is his first build and hes getting a barrage of the same information, and people keep saying plug stuff in when he explained all that! someone needs to help him and keep it simple. and no way are you going to flash bios 1. without power and 2. without old cpu

possibly power failures are:

1. motherboard shorting on case
2. cpu needs updated bios
3. motherobard dead on arrival
4. connectors not in properly, this also means a pin could of came out somewhere.
5. damage to motherboard or connectors.
6. even the kettle lead could be broke
7. power supply dead or faulty connection x2
8. none of the above and something perculiar

now to solve these and eliminate each, take all components out, put stock cooler on, itll be easier for now, rebuild pc on a non conductive surface.

go through slowly and check and test everything, have one component in at a time and test for power, maybe use a voltmeter if you got one. (look on google for video where to test etc)

do the shorting of switch to test power everytime. repeat and use other psu just to be sure.
its possible your mobo could be dead, so examine it carefully.

 

[de.das.dude]

here is my advice:

sell off all the extra bits you bought(650, chords etc)
then go to someone who actually does this kind of work. Look at him work, again experience, win win.

even though PC building is pretty easy, but its only easy for those who know how to. For a beginner it can be very confusing.\



judging by this thread you have very little idea of what you are doing, and i think there is a bout a 60% change you will end up destroying something.

so i strongly suggest you take it to someone who knows their stuff.



ultra taco:-
here are some common mistakes noobs make

1. They forget to turn on the power supply switch. not the mains switch but the switch at the back of the power supply.
2. They forget to connect the GPU/Graphics card/VGA power cables.
3. They forget to connect the CPU power cable
4. They incorrectly connect the front header pins.
5. They forget to remove the sticker at the back of the cooler
6. They plug the pump power jack to the CPU fan power jack(often screwing up the motherboard). you are supposed to plug the pump power directly to an output from the power supply.
7. force the CPU into the socket, bending the pins in many cases.
8. Not connect the 24pin cable tightly enough. Thanks to the cheap quality plastics used on boards these days, a lot of 24pin sockets are really hard to properly connect. How do you know its in properly? the small locking clip on the side will automatically fall into place.
9. Not connecting the CPU fan to the CPU fan header. a lot of motherboards will not boot/start unless done so. If you have a water cooling, plug a chassis fan or any other fan into the CPU fan socket.
10. although not a necessity, always reset your BIOS before the first start. this would help clear any settings left from the Q&C checks.
11. some people also forget to install the standoffs on the cabinet before installing motherboard.


PS: IMHO looking at the components and the fact that you said you dont have enough money to go to a technician, can only mean - you are either a miser, your honor is at stake, or this is some elaborate way to spam. since you have already bought the stuff and fit it in the cabinet, i doubt someone will take more than 40$ to do the rest.


also i dont understand why you are buying new things to check if the old thing is broken. Any good electronics store is supposed to give you a 30day replacement no questions asked.

 

[Bo$$]

judging by this thread you have very little idea of what you are doing, and i think there is a bout a 60% change you will end up destroying something.

so i strongly suggest you take it to someone who knows their stuff.

man... Learn to read. the only thing OP hasnt done is to manually short the pins on the mobo as he has explain atleast 5 times he disconnected everything just now. :shadedshu

 

[de.das.dude]

sooo Li lan defies the laws of electricity this is interesting
I want a video of this can you test it with a meter .
I wonder if the switch is connected to some IC or something does the case have a display or fan controler ?
EDIT: OOOO nm I know why
if the power button has a LED that draws power right from the switch pins and they used a DIODE or something that would explain it

man... Learn to read. the only thing OP hasnt done is to manually short the pins on the mobo as he has explain atleast 5 times he disconnected everything just now. :shadedshu

i do believe i dint say anything to offend him or anyone?

let me quote him:-

What power connecter are you saying is on the bottom right side of the motherboard? Do you mean the jumpers you guys said to short?

that is enough to let us know the extents of his knowledge. Also, this shows that he is impatient and did not bother to read the manual. Hell even after 5 years of assembling computers, i still spent a whole 10minutes reading the manual to my ASROCK 990FX EXtreme4 before i started building it. It a good read.

 

[Mathragh]

I once had the same kind of thing with one of my early builds. Turns out I didn't correctly seat the CPU. Not sure if this has already been said before, but if he didnt try yet, he should reseat the CPU in the following manner:

Make sure that before you insert the CPU, the lever is in the upwards position, and when the CPU is inserted(watch the triangle, the triangle on the CPU(located at one of the corners) should match the triangle on your socket). After you put the CPU in, move the lever down. It should give some resistance before clipping into place. After this, you should be able to gently pull at the cpu without it leaving the socket.

 

[btarunr]

Maybe your board isn't Vishera-ready (needs BIOS update)?

Get the cheapest AM3 Semporn you can find, and update BIOS with it.

 

[Aquinus]

that is enough to let us know the extents of his knowledge. Also, this shows that he is impatient and did not bother to read the manual. Hell even after 5 years of assembling computers, i still spent a whole 10minutes reading the manual to my ASROCK 990FX EXtreme4 before i started building it. It a good read.

You can also safely short every pin on the front panel connector. It's not going to kill the board if you accidently short an LED pair or the reset pair. If you know what you're doing, you don't even need to read the manual because A: it's safe to test all of them. and B: a number of motherboard label it on the board itself.

I think one bit of clarification would be great: When you press the power button does power come on at all or does it stay completely dark? If it stays dark, it's not a compatibility problem. If the board didn't support Vishera it would at least come on and it just wouldn't post... or, if it's like the last Biostar board I used (AM2+ board with AM3 proc,) it would post with the AM3 processor but Windows would always BSOD on boot until the BIOS was updated.

From the sounds of it, it sounds like you're describing it staying completely black with absolutely no sign of life. If this is the case, I agree with everyone else. Take it out of the case and try assembling components on a wooden table or something. That way you can rule any shorts out, but if jumping the pin doesn't work and the PSU is known to be good (you can test this without any special hardware), it's the motherboard.

 

[okidna]

Maybe your board isn't Vishera-ready (needs BIOS update)?

Get the cheapest AM3 Semporn you can find, and update BIOS with it.

Nice one, bta

@Ultra Taco : You said that you have the MSI 990XA-GD65 V2.0, right? Then you don't need to update your BIOS. V2.0 is already using 19.9 BIOS which is this board's first BIOSes to support Vishera (another one is 20.2).

Try the "open case" suggestion here : http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2890989&postcount=28.

 

[de.das.dude]

You can also safely short every pin on the front panel connector. It's not going to kill the board if you accidently short an LED pair or the reset pair. If you know what you're doing, you don't even need to read the manual because A: it's safe to test all of them. and B: a number of motherboard label it on the board itself.

I think one bit of clarification would be great: When you press the power button does power come on at all or does it stay completely black? If it says black, it's not a compatibility problem. If the board didn't support Vishera it would at least come on and it just wouldn't post... or, if it's like the last Biostar board I used (AM2+ board with AM3 proc,) it would post with the AM3 processor but Windows would always BSOD on boot until the BIOS was updated.

From the sounds of it, it sounds like you're describing it staying completely black with absolutely no sign of life. If this is the case, I agree with everyone else. Take it out of the case and try assembling components on a wooden table or something. That way you can rule any shorts out, but if jumping the pin doesn't work and the PSU is known to be good (you can test this without any special hardware), it's the motherboard.

its safe, but sometimes the static on your body can flow into bad places. i sorted the wrong pins on my prev board once, and it wouldnt power on. i had to take the cmos battery out and leave it there. dont know why this happened, but its always better to be safe


also Taco, try to listen for a faint click in your PSU everytime you turn the mains on, or the PC on. a faint click is definite tell tale that something is sorting.



To rule out the PSU, take a pair of tweezers, find the 24 pin jack of the PSU, and connect the green and any black wire (there is one right below it). no chance of shock, but try to stay insulated. the PSU should stay on as long as the green and back is sorted. if it doesnt turn on, your PSU is faulty.

also if it were a problem regarding Vishera compatibility i am sure it would start and the fans would atleast start spinning.

 

[DigitalUK]

i cant see where it says v2 on the board, if its not you will need to update the bios as i had to do a build on one of these a while ago ,lucky for me i have a phenom II lying around. as you are new to this the system should turn on all fans etc will be running but system will not post.

 

[Solaris17]

does the case have case intrusion?

does the board even boot?

it isnt a CPU compatability problem if the board isnt even trying to post.

please try building the system on a box

 

[H82LUZ73]

I plugged everything in and took some updated photos, but achieved failure once again.

Norton: I put the 4 pin cpu fan in the socket after everything was plugged in and it didn't work

Everything is hooked up all flush, nothing happens when I push the power button..

Funny, I fixed two seniors computers today and they complemented me on my computer knowledge... I do know a lot about the components as far as the reviews and all the countless hours of research I've done because I;m a fan... But as I've recently discovered.... I'm a noob

Put your memory in the blue slot .......

 

[okidna]

i cant see where it says v2 on the board, if its not you will need to update the bios as i had to do a build on one of these a while ago ,lucky for me i have a phenom II lying around. as you are new to this the system should turn on all fans etc will be running but system will not post.

Third picture from the left (above the VER 3.1, "MSI 990FXA-GD65V2") : http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2890960&postcount=22