Sony Adds Cinavia DRM Protection in as Automatic PS3 Download

[Wile E]

Cutting out frequencies doesn't work. It's been tried. It survives all trancoding as well. Even up and downmixing. Somebody even went so far as taking their camcorder, pointing it at the wall, and recording the sound as they played a Cinavia movie over the cam's mic, and the resulting file still triggered it.

From what's known so far, any process that will defeat it will be destructive to the audio quality. OK for many, not ok for those of us that just remux their BD's into mkvs.

 

[Mussels]

that wouldnt work at all. the channel lasts the entire audio track and the frequency ranges. it cant be filtered witha simple 15hz pass. and besides that kind of filtering would damage the audio on the track. so its not just "not ment for the casual pirate" their really isnt a point in doing it.

if its possible for the audio to be there without a human hearing it, its possible to remove it without a human hearing a difference.


it may not be easy, but someone WILL figure out how to do it.

 

[Easy Rhino]

i download 1080p DTS 5.1 blu-ray rips all the time and never have a problem streaming them using ps3 media server. i also own about 25 blu-rays and watch them from time to time after a first viewing. i dont see a need to back them up.

 

[Wile E]

i download 1080p DTS 5.1 blu-ray rips all the time and never have a problem streaming them using ps3 media server. i also own about 25 blu-rays and watch them from time to time after a first viewing. i dont see a need to back them up.

Read more about the issue, then post. Only a few BD's have this so far.

I backup BD's because they are expensive and I have kids. I like to keep my discs safe.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Read more about the issue, then post. Only a few BD's have this so far.

I backup BD's because they are expensive and I have kids. I like to keep my discs safe.

i have read plenty about the "issue." i know it only affects a few BDs but I have played the BDs in question that have been ripped and they play just fine using PS3 Media Server. i cannot say about playing them directly from the PS3 though.

 

[kid41212003]

Me and "me" friends are sailing the Caribbean either ways.

I watch bluray disc on PS3, and bluray rips on pc. It's a matter of switching the screen plugs for me .

 

[Wile E]

i have read plenty about the "issue." i know it only affects a few BDs but I have played the BDs in question that have been ripped and they play just fine using PS3 Media Server. i cannot say about playing them directly from the PS3 though.

You are the only one then, or you haven't received the update. It's already been reported that PS3MS does not fix the issue. And brief tests do not always work. It happens at different points in the movies.

Me and "me" friends are sailing the Caribbean either ways.

I watch bluray disc on PS3, and bluray rips on pc. It's a matter of switching the screen plugs for me .

Unfortunately, my PC is away from my home theater, and my PC does not have the surround setup that my theater does.

 

[Easy Rhino]

You are the only one then, or you haven't received the update. It's already been reported that PS3MS does not fix the issue. And brief tests do not always work. It happens at different points in the movies.

hrm. well according to that link this has actually been around for quite some time. not sure why i have not had any issue with it. i will keep my fingers crossed.

also, if people are looking for another way around it you can always transcode your rips woth something like mkv2vob and play them using another upnp device.

 

[Wile E]

hrm. well according to that link this has actually been around for quite some time. not sure why i have not had any issue with it. i will keep my fingers crossed.

also, if people are looking for another way around it you can always transcode your rips woth something like mkv2vob and play them using another upnp device.

The tech has been around for a while, but has only recently been activated in players.

If the device doesn't support the Cinavia, you should be fine. But for people that only have the ps3 for playback, this can be a problem.

I generally just use MakeMKV, RIPBot264, or ClownBD to demux then remux into an mkv. Depends on what I want to do with the audio and subs.

 

[Easy Rhino]

The tech has been around for a while, but has only recently been activated in players.

If the device doesn't support the Cinavia, you should be fine. But for people that only have the ps3 for playback, this can be a problem.

I generally just use MakeMKV, RIPBot264, or ClownBD to demux then remux into an mkv. Depends on what I want to do with the audio and subs.

so i guess now there is no way SONY will ever implement native mkv playback?

 

[Wile E]

Probably not. I really wish somebody would come out with a CFW.

 

[Mussels]

Probably not. I really wish somebody would come out with a CFW.

a what?

 

[Wile E]

Sorry. Scene speak. lol

Custom FirmWare.

 

[Mr McC]

so i guess now there is no way SONY will ever implement native mkv playback?

Probably not. I really wish somebody would come out with a CFW.

I assumed that the implementation of DRM was one of the main purposes of Blu-ray, after all, these are the people who gave us Securom. I read somewhere that HD DVD actually offered higher quality, but as was the case with Betamax vs VHS, the inferior product has triumphed, or rather Sony's marketing, pressure and pay-offs have triumphed.

Technological advance is something to be applauded; however, when I hear the word Sony thrown into the equation I automatically assume that this will entail tighter control of areas where we previoulsy enjoyed freedoms, in short, they abuse us. Mkv playback clearly goes against their marketing strategy.

 

[DrPepper]

Aw ffs just as I decide hell I'l get a ps3 because I want to stream media to it. Sony are out to piss me off.

 

[Mussels]

Aw ffs just as I decide hell I'l get a ps3 because I want to stream media to it. Sony are out to piss me off.

imo, get teh cheapest nettop you can, slap 7 on it and have fun.

 

[slyfox2151]

imo, get teh cheapest nettop you can, slap 7 on it and have fun.

it would then need HDMI out... i havnt exacly seen a lot with that

 

[Mussels]

it would then need HDMI out... i havnt exacly seen a lot with that

all the ION ones have it.

 

[DaMulta]

I've been hit with this issue on two video files. I re-downloaded a different size video, and it worked just fine.

It looks to be the way some rips are made IDK.

 

[newtekie1]

I assumed that the implementation of DRM was one of the main purposes of Blu-ray, after all, these are the people who gave us Securom. I read somewhere that HD DVD actually offered higher quality, but as was the case with Betamax vs VHS, the inferior product has triumphed, or rather Sony's marketing, pressure and pay-offs have triumphed.

Technological advance is something to be applauded; however, when I hear the word Sony thrown into the equation I automatically assume that this will entail tighter control of areas where we previoulsy enjoyed freedoms, in short, they abuse us. Mkv playback clearly goes against their marketing strategy.

Don't believe everything you read, HD DVD did not offer higher quality. An HD DVD disc holds 15GB per layer, so 30GB total per disc. On the other hand Blu-Ray holds 25GB per layer, 50GB total per disc. So you could almost fit an entire dual-layer HD DVD on a single layer Blu-Ray. More space means either better quality video, or more extra features included with the disc, or both.

 

[Mussels]

Don't believe everything you read, HD DVD did not offer higher quality. An HD DVD disc holds 15GB per layer, so 30GB total per disc. On the other hand Blu-Ray holds 25GB per layer, 50GB total per disc. So you could almost fit an entire dual-layer HD DVD on a single layer Blu-Ray. More space means either better quality video, or more extra features included with the disc, or both.

the short version (which you half got into) is that while some HD-DVD movies looked better than the blu ray versions at launch, that was just because of how they were made, NOT blu rays fault.


with more space available, bluray had the potential to use lower compression, and therefore look better from day one.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Don't believe everything you read, HD DVD did not offer higher quality. An HD DVD disc holds 15GB per layer, so 30GB total per disc. On the other hand Blu-Ray holds 25GB per layer, 50GB total per disc. So you could almost fit an entire dual-layer HD DVD on a single layer Blu-Ray. More space means either better quality video, or more extra features included with the disc, or both.

the short version (which you half got into) is that while some HD-DVD movies looked better than the blu ray versions at launch, that was just because of how they were made, NOT blu rays fault.


with more space available, bluray had the potential to use lower compression, and therefore look better from day one.

true, the VQ and AQ of a movie on a bluray disc versus an hddvd disc has nothing to do with the color of the laser or the size layers. judging by the reviews at blu-ray.com, over half of all the blurays released are poorly encoded by the studios. they could have used more space but did not even bother. for instance, the gladiator bluray that came out several months ago is not that great of quality. i own it and am not impressed. however, they are re-releasing a "remastered" version and supposedly it is far superior as the studio went through frame by frame with a superior codec and balancing noise reduction with the genuine film look.

 

[Wile E]

I assumed that the implementation of DRM was one of the main purposes of Blu-ray, after all, these are the people who gave us Securom. I read somewhere that HD DVD actually offered higher quality, but as was the case with Betamax vs VHS, the inferior product has triumphed, or rather Sony's marketing, pressure and pay-offs have triumphed.

Technological advance is something to be applauded; however, when I hear the word Sony thrown into the equation I automatically assume that this will entail tighter control of areas where we previoulsy enjoyed freedoms, in short, they abuse us. Mkv playback clearly goes against their marketing strategy.

HD DVD wasn't any better in quality and also used AACS drm. BD is actually capable of higher quality, due to it's higher capacity. Cinavia would've been just as easy to add to HD DVD anyway, seeing that it embedded in the audio signal and not any type of encryption.

 

[DrPepper]

imo, get teh cheapest nettop you can, slap 7 on it and have fun.

I've got a cheap nettop but the PS3 is for Gran Turismo 5 mainly with the added benefits of being a lean mean porno displayin' machine and having linux on it. Pretty much both of which are removed. I feel sony's next move is to send a hit squad to my house when I actually get one.

 

[Wile E]

Yeah, same reasons I bought mine, Dr.