Discussion in 'Linux / BSD / Mac OS X' started by qubit, Feb 22, 2011.
I sure hope they get nailed for this dirty trick.
Man I hope they get nailed for it.
"Oh? One man published a way to get an insignificant elevated privilege via a current feature? This elevated privilege has no impact on anything at all, whatsoever? Well let's not patch it, or release a hardware revision making it impossible, let's remove a feature that hundreds or thousands are using completely within their rights."
I don't care if the percentage of users of OtherOs was 100% or 0.01% of all ps3 owners. Dick move Sony. Dick move.
PSFreedom uses a usb trick to boot into service mode from USB? what next, patch out support for anything but charging controllers from USB?
Here's the tl;dr from Groklaw.
Sony is being charged with violating § 1030(a)(5)(A)(i):
Pursuant to subsection (B) that damage must also result in:
The court's ruling states:
Sony then made a motion to strike because they did not believe plaintiff defined an appropriate class (AKA the group of people negatively effected by 3.21 firmware). The motion will not be granted.
I did a quick google search and the statue of limitations is either 2 or 5 years for the section of the CFAA in question.
i sat there for five minutes figuring out what otheros was... other-os.. they should get smacked for making up words
They deserve it, I'd be pissed if I bought something and one of it's features was removed. It's like if I updated my iPod and they removed the ability to update apps over the air or something.
Even if it turns out that removing a feature from PS3 WAS in fact covered by the license agreement, I think there are still limits on what sorts of provisions can be enforced.
IIRC, you can put pretty much whatever you want in a contract's "boilerplate" language (what most would call the fine print). However what provisions are enforceable is another matter - especially when you have a so-called agreement that is for all intents and purposes one-sided. It's one thing to enforce a provision in a negotiated contract and quite another to enforce one in a consumer contract that is really a take it or leave offer. I know that in NJ this makes a difference (on due process grounds IIRC) but not so sure about the feds.
Did they fire their public relations team? They just keep fucking up left and right. I mean the idiocy alone of them going after everyone who even saw a post about the keys... it's just insanity.
I don't understand why Sony can't remove functions/features they provided that weren't apart of the feature list as advertised.
And I bet the only reason they're facing these allegations was because they targeted a single "hacker" trying to prove a point...
They purchased your product, why the hell do you care what they do to gain "advantages"?
I always found the ps3 interesting as its the only consumer product i have ever seen steadily lose features through revisions and updates. Its also amusing to note that legions of fans defend sonys actions every step of the way as their console regresses to an empty shell of what it used to be.
Great post, love it. I especially like the bit about the fans. Sounds just like Apple fans and their reality distortion field, doesn't it?
I was actually considering a PS3..... This makes me not sho shure....
Judge guts suit against Sony for killing Linux in PS3
This is bad news for the little guy, once again. Expect to see more underhand dirty tricks now from tech companies.
Read the rest at The Register
some dude got $100 out of it though
Yay, that'll pay for 1/3 of his console.
i admit im a bit of a ps3 fanboy but i will be the first to say that removing OtherOS was pathetic and i will not buy another sony product. that being said, it is an incredible blu-ray player, native trueHD and DTS-MAHD, so you don't need a $1000 receiver to get the best sound so long as you are using HDMI. also, the addition of netflix is a huge positive. the streaming hd 5.1 shows/movies are incredible. so i dont have a list in front of me but i can say for sure sony has added more features to the ps3 than they have removed. after all, the only functionality they removed is OtherOS.
There's that old saying that it takes a long time to build up a reputation, but only an instant to destroy it. Your boycott of Sony is a fine illustration of the balls-up they made. And they deserve it.
To be honest, I've found it very easy to boycott them, because I've never found their products all that compelling anyway, especially compared to Panasonic.
yea, i am a loyal customer and a bit of a fan of their corporate strategy, but taking away otherOS was pathetic. even if i understand why they did it and i agree that legally and ethically they are correct in doing so i will still not buy their branded products again.
So does this mean you can't fold on the PS3 anymore?
they wouldnt be in the sh~t storm their now in with hackers if they had of left it in,considering what a samll minority used it,was it really worth the effort
and it was fully not right imagine the uproar if microsoft or apple decided the "W" key was superflouse to common use lol yet it is the same
ps yes is still fold with my ps3
as far as i know i can still fold although i have not in a long time since it uses a lot of energy and does not fold all that well.
i thought it quite good at 100watts tho ppd isnt gr8 but for the power?, i am fairly new to folding tho so if theirs a reason you think this ,why so?
i never used OtherOS so no big deal for me kinda sucks that they took it off for some people for me its whatever my HTPC is less than 2ft away
This is making people not want to buy anymore sony products? This? Did everyone forget the whole let's install a rootkit on ever customers pc! Then get sued by every state, but it's ok cause we'll just re-purpose the tech into an utterly ineffective DRM that we can charges loads to license. And we won't even bother to standardize it, so the 20 different rootkits heavy gamers end up installing can all fight over control of your dvd drive. Genius I tell you!
Oh yeah, that made me boycott them, I promise you! What a nasty, pathetic thing to do.
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