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Steam for Linux, Valve says no.

Discussion in 'Games' started by DannibusX, Aug 23, 2010.

  1. Sasqui

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    +1 And one of the reasons windows DX based games aren't ported much if at all to those platforms.

    Here's a very biased view of DirectX vs OpenGL: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/openglvsdirectx.html
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    first off, people don't use linux because it is free, they use it because it is better than windows. like myself, there are tens of thousands of people who specifically choose to run linux as a desktop because it is less prone to viruses, greater stability, better performance, and greater customization.

    secondly, you dont need directx to play games. opengl is as good and is freely available to developers.
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    i wouldnt say OpenGL is as good as DirectX but it does work
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    when developed properly for games it is actually better than directx. the problem is, there aren't 100,000 paid software engineers working on opengl.
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    and thats why openGL and linux dont get games. People are too greedy:)
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    DrPepper The Doctor is in the house

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    Yeah how dare they demand money for their work.
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    yup point is tho 64bit windows uses 1.5gigs average compared to 390mb on Ubuntu and i much prefer the interface of Ubuntu. not to mention that i would only need 2 gigs ram to accomplish the same tasks in Linux that require me to have 4gigs in Windows examples of this are rendering with Maya or 3dsmax among other 3d development tools. I was force in college to learn the apps across all platforms aka Mac Linux Windows.. external apps like Zbrush run like crap on anything other then windows with mac and linux so far behind windows releases its crap so im forced to use windows in that senario but Maya and 3ds max run so much better in Linux its night and day in terms of productivity.

    more on topic Steam on Linux would be awesome but sadly it wont happen any time soon not untill Linux development shifts from server to desktop development.

    A friend once told me that the operating system should be the stage not the entire fucking show sadly Windows is taking the route of the whole damn show.

    and eitherway its moot at this point were all just beating a dead horse really
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    Well. I can forsee all future Valve games being programmed in OpenGL along side DirectX, so it's not too far of a stretch to think that Linux support is closer now than it ever was for mainstream Linux gaming.

    That said, it may never happen, after all look at what company Gabe Newell worked for that actually made him rich.
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    shit i thought the left for dead series was already OpenGL
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    Not really biased, just a decade out of date.

    Memory is infinitely faster than your hard drive, that's what it's doing and why it's doing it. Free ram is essentially wasted ram, the less HD access you can get away with, the better.
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    As long as its money making industry you can forget about dedicated Linux games.

    And saying Linux is a better "regular user" OS is just pure bs. Linux was never intended to be nice and easy. Sure they are trying to make the GUI's decent but come on its still years behind Windows.
    As far as I see it Windows has more chances to become solid like Linux than the other way around so were stuck with it.
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    IDK i dont see this as far fetched. Linux dominates the server world. While the wants of the few dont outweigh the wants of the many in this case I think its only a matter of time before someone takes the market risk and makes linux a viable platform for gaming. OpenGL far surpasses DX if you give it the time of day. Not to mention its open source. Developing would be cake if someone threw the $$ at it.
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    Where the problem comes in with linux is supporting its userbase as most with most games some type of technical support is expected.

    Now imagine a not so bright user having a problem with the game, the millions of possible causes with different Distros, Versions, hardware profiles, etc.
    You would need some pretty savvy ppl in that call center.
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    this is true and im not saying the process would be without hardship. However I do think that if the gaming industry gave linux the time of day instead of waiting for it to mature/standardize. Then enough development would go into making distros easier for people to use thus making them easier to support. Thus bringing more games and other various opportunities to the platform.
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    I don't think it's a matter of what's better or worse i think it's simply a matter of how many time saving libraries there are for DX....OpenGL is just as good but for the most part programs written for it have to start from scratch whereas you can just start where the last program left off with DX...not sure if that came out like I meant it..
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    OpenGL is not open source, it's an API, not software.

    The specification is open, but you won't be finding the source to any implementation of it.
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    Just to burst your bubble but I do. On the laptop, I needed an OS to get me onto the internet, Ubuntu is free.
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    my apologies for using the wrong terminology but the fact remains that anyone can use it and it is freely usable for anyone who wishes to impliment it.
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    of course there are people who use linux because it is free.

    the argument seems to go, if you are willing to pay for an OS then you are willing to pay for games. if you are unwilling to pay for an OS than you are unwilling to pay for games. this is obviously terrible logic as i would bet my first born that over 50% of TPU members are not running a legit version of windows yet pay for games on steam.
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    That would be an interesting thing to get done actually. An anonymous survey of all the hardware and OS of everyone on TPU.... hmmmmmm
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    lold the worst part is is that this is probably true.
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    Thats probably true, Microsoft i would think gets its biggest share in doing OEM systems.
    Open GL is open to any developer but they all use DirectX i am unsure when DirectX became the industry standard.
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    I guess you don't realize how large that 1% userbase has for Cedega and Wine. Most all serious Linux users have one or the other to play PC games on, what ones they can anyway.
    Many gamers are enthusiasts by the necessity to be one in order to play buggy Windows games and work around Windows many, many issues it has presented over the years on that platform and Linux is the real enthusiast OS. Not windows, Windows is like AOL...its for dummies more or less and you have far less real control over what goes on and little control over Malware and what they exploit.

    No doubt if games like Crysis 2 was on Linux, many more gamers would start to use it.
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    CDdude55 Crazy 4 TPU!!!

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    Ok, so that 1% of Linux people are using another piece of software to run Windows games, where in which it only affect there profits. Of course it's large for them, but you have to look at the bigger scope of things.

    Generally when a game is buggy, it's a developer issue, not an OS issue. Windows is a buggy OS to an extent yes, but it's still one of the most versatile operating systems around. Developers go where the money is, and currently, that's Windows. And yes, i guess those 5 people using Linux for games consider it an ''enthusiast OS''(lol, just a joke, i knows those 10 people are having a blast, just kidding again)

    I think that's true to an extent, i mean if a developer actually cares enough to put a high profile game onto Linux, no doubt you'll have a a good amount of people playing it. But it's all about da benjamins, you aim for the OS with mass market appeal..(no matter how shitty it is)


    It's like saying, man im tired of fucking Nike, my feet hurt in them and they look so fugly!!, the real enthusiast shoe is New Balance.... they deserve more money, they're more comfortable and everything!!. It's the marketing, its the advertising, it's the developer support, it's the people that make that ''shoe'' what it is... does that mean it's the best?, not necessarily. But does that mean it rakes in more every year?, hells ya it does.

    Oh ya, and AOL failed because it's not the 90's anymore.lol ;)
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    I would be using linux if it wasn't for the Direct X monopoly. Sadly, as a gamer, if I moved to linux now, many games would be missed...
    Crunching for Team TPU

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