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  1. Atnevon

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    Hey yall. So As the title explains, extreme budget. Intended for Photoshop, and since AMD is cheaper, well, AMD is cheaper. Never done an AMD build, so, here she goes:

    Mobo"
    GIGABYTE GA-MA69GM-S2H AM2 AMD 690G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128056

    GPU:
    SAPPHIRE 100236L Radeon HD 3650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128056

    CPU:
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail

    Memory:
    G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231148

    Storage:
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148288

    Power Supply:
    Antec earthwatts EA430 430W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371006

    Case:
    COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068

    CPU Cooler:
    ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185125

    THis is my first AMD built, but lets say the main user is coming from a 1.6 ghz single core Dell laptop with a gig of ram (upgraded). SO speed will be lightning to him. Mainly, just for photoshop, with LITTLE game activity.

    Thanks for your help once agian TPU,
    -Andrew
     
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    i know i know u said amd but the E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz has crazy overclocking capablities, people are getting nearly 4 ghz im sure some have gotten 4ghz on it, and u could still get a fairly cheap mobo from gigabyte DS3L-p35 same price as the one you have listed, just a suggestion, but other then that the build looks good
     
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    Thanks.

    THis is for a guy who wont overclock at all. Just the way he is. He's not to decent with computers, and I don't won't to have to screw with it. Thanks for your reply.
     
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    if he isn't gonna be doing any OC'ing, I'd use stock cooling
     
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    AMD might be cheaper if you are just going by the clock speed. But the 2.4GHz E4600 actually outperforms the x2 6000+ in photoshop and goes for slightly cheaper. Though I really don't think you even need that much power, my boss does Web design and photoshop work all day, she does it just fine on a E4400.
     
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    I'm gonna go with Barbaric on this. AMD is certainly nice, but for virtually no cost the e7200 is a huge upgrade. It'll outpace the X2 6000 and he'll have the option to go with something even faster if he so wishes. Chances are he won't be able to tell a difference between the two though.
     
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    Go with AMD.. That board might not even support the E7200 out of the box meaning you will have to flash it with an older 775 cpu and that will cost more.
     
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    45nm's are completely supported on P35's. This long after their initial release he should have virtually no problems.
     
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    You sure? The E7200 is really new..
     
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    Looking at the CPU Support list for that board, I am going to say that a BIOS flash is probably necessary to support the E7200 considering the BIOS required for it is F4b which I am guessing is a beta BIOS, and I highly doubt that a board from any company would come with a beta BIOS.
     
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    One of the reviews for the board on newegg

    That guy has a e8400 in one. If the board will run a 8400, it'll run the 7200.
     
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    I'm on photoshop everyday and the best HDD I have used with this was the Samsung spinpoint tj166 500gb setup but if you can go with the new 320gb F1 samsung otherwise not bad for photoshop
     
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    Well, thank you so far for the replys. I forgot to mention:

    Use the coupon code: MCAGBABC to get the 6000 for 75 bucks. This is why I went with the AMD build for him. But in a nutshell, here are my thoughts.

    Intel is where the PERFORMANCE lies. It breaths there, and reigns right now. AMD is putting out some good new products, but Intel seems to have the upper hand right now since C2D came out, and really has sat there.

    AMD however, in order to compete, has dropped prices to a point where if money is a factor, prices sometimes can't helped but not be overlooked. 3.0 factory for 75 bucks? Thats a great deal in my eyes and wallet. Plus, ATi in the graphics world I believe is where it is at. Sure gaming they take a hit, but if you are a graphics worker, than the ATi is where it is at.

    Now, I want to address overclocking. Sure it is fun, and many of you (90% Would be a safe estimate) of this forum I bet overclocks. Heck, we aren;t enthusiasts here for nothing. So when it comes to the OC, its a different sport altogether (in some eyes). However, if I need to build a computer for say, my grandma, its much easier for me now, and later on nor to OC it for her (or whoever I build for)

    Why don't I OC myself? I like my temps low. My q6600 is my best friend. But he likes to heat the hell out of my bedroom. So pushing it more would just make me not only mentally uncomfortable, but physically too. If I do, there will be NO voltage uppages at any cost.

    I know a bit of a kick is great too. I've seen my roomies 6750 at 3.2 and stock. And to tell you all the truth, outside of benchies, I see very little gain. I don;t feel it is worth not having my equipment pushed further and not last as long so I can brag my superpi is .03 seconds faster, and got an extra 200 points in 3dmark. Hell, I came from a P4 3.0 laptop, 1gb (533 I believe ram) with an x600. My 8800GTX and q6600 are damn state of the art from what I came from. (I'm sure I say that too much, but I just love my rig)

    I know my stuff works great as it is. To me, a reliable machine that will last is my pride and joy. Being in college, I don't have alot of dough to spend on a new CPU very so often. I hope to get 3 years out of this at least, maybe 4. I know OCing will lower that life a bit more than I want. I may OC a tid in a year or so, or just to see where I stand. But not untill winter, when I can let 40 degree winter air be my cooling.

    I hope I do not come across as a "F$&K OCing, you all suck" user. I by no means degrade or not encourage it. It is fun knowing because your rig isn't Dell or HP shit, that you can have QUALITY and SPEED, plus more options to yourself than any compy maker could give. (unless you get Alienware, or some other rape-you-up-the-ass maker like it). I just want to point out the whys as to my view of OCing. Its a sport to many builders. I by no means say don;t do it.

    Sorry for the long response from hell. I just feel sometimes when people ask for help building a rig, the thread becomes an OCing debate, and not helping the user with the important decision making process of the what-works and what-doesn't.

    As to all the people who helped my and gave me great advice, thank you all. I will take your considerations, and look again, and crunch the figures with my roomie and see how it all comes out.

    Thank you agian TPU,
    -Andrew
     
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    I realise the person this system is being built for doesn't OC, that was never a issue in any of my suggestions. MHZ rating isn't everything. That e7200 cpu beats the X2 6000 at stock. 45nm(cooler running), 1066fsb(same as your belove q6600), and 3Mb L2 cache is what makes it faster. And considering the 7200/GA-P35-S3G are only $3 more than the x2 6000/GA-MA69GM-S2H , why would you get the AMD?
     
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    also, if you wanna save alittle more money, Fitseries has a used 7200 for sale for $100 here-

    http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=63135

    That would make the 7200 combo about $25 chearper than the AMD. Fitseries sells alot of stuff on TPU and I've never heard anyone complain about buying stuff from him. I would definently feel safe buying from him.
     
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    Thanks. I'll start looking at those figures more. Is it because the AMD has a 2 x 1mb cache, and the 7200 has a strait 3mb that makes the 7200 better? I just dont know how to compare the Hyper Transports vs. FSB.
     
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    Well, here is a revision. I think the Intell build will be better for the money. Since we are below 700, this should do great.





    1 Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7200
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115052
    Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7200 - Retail
    Model #:BX80571E7200
    Item #:N82E16819115052
    Return Policy:processors (CPUs) Return Policy
    In Stock

    $129.99 $129.99



    1 GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128337
    GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    Model #:GA-EP35-DS3L
    Item #:N82E16813128337
    Return Policy:Limited 30-Day Return Policy
    In Stock

    $89.99 $89.99



    1 G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231148
    G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK - Retail
    Model #:F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK
    Item #:N82E16820231148
    Return Policy:Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy
    In Stock

    $129.99 -$40.00 Instant $89.99



    1 ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
    ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
    Model #:ACFZ7-PRO
    Item #:N82E16835186134
    Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
    In Stock

    $36.99 -$10.00 Instant $26.99



    1 SAPPHIRE 100236L Radeon HD 3650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

    SAPPHIRE 100236L Radeon HD 3650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102726
    Model #:100236L
    Item #:N82E16814102726
    Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
    In Stock

    $59.99 $59.99



    1 Antec earthwatts EA430 430W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371006
    Antec earthwatts EA430 430W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply - Retail
    Model #:EA430
    Item #:N82E16817371006
    Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
    In Stock
    Mail-in Rebate

    (Has a $30 rebate until th 30th)

    $69.99 -$10.00 Instant $59.99



    1 Antec Three Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

    Antec Three Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
    Model #:Three Hundred
    Item #:N82E16811129042
    Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
    In Stock

    $69.95 $69.95



    1 ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020
    ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail
    Model #:MX-2R
    Item #:N82E16835186020
    Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
    In Stock

    $6.99 $6.99



    1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148288
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    Model #:ST3500320AS
    Item #:N82E16822148288
    Return Policy:Limited 30-Day Return Policy
    In Stock

    $89.99 $89.99


    ***[[Subtotal: $623.87]]]***
     
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    Unless you are buying a workstation grade card, the graphics card plays virtually no role in photoshop work. ATi or nVidia, it doesn't matter. In Photoshop a 7100GS performs virtually identically to a 9800GTX. The main issue is just getting a dedicated card to free up the system RAM used by the integrated card.
     
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    This is unrelated in this debate, but Photoshop is rumored to be receiving 3D acceleration. I'm not sure if it'll take off or not, but it's at least pretty interesting.
     
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    This is true, but our Graphic Design program touches into the video rendering and creation. We have one classs that is specifically Video Art. Programs such as After Effects, from what I understand, rely on the card.

    This is what I "hear", as long as I have been on this forum, not ONE reply to my questions to confirm it.

    Oh, and newtekie, your aviatar used to be my Windows BootScreen about 3 years ago.
     
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    This isn't a debate, it is a discussion about a build designed to run photoshop. If you want to debate, go someplace else. Now, back on topic.

    It used to be my bootscreen also, and my login screen, and my background... :)

    Anyway, what I was trying to point out was that you can put a cheaper video card in the machine, and put the money into a faster processor. You are going to get more performance for your money if you go with a faster processor and a weaker graphics card. You aren't going to get any real performance benefits from a graphics card unless you go with a workstation card, which isn't in the budget. If you are going to go with the HD3650 go with a GDDR3 version, not the GDDR2 version. The GDDR3 really improves performance.
     
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