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  1. mrhuggles

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    any luck?
     
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    silly mrhuggles, your answer was posted about 6 posts before your question. If only you've just scanned the forum one tini tiny bit before posting...

    the desktop sending was delayed, the shop keeper wanted me to do one final check before I send it in today. He wanted me to install service pack 3 (done that) and update my Nvidia drivers (done that) and check another game to see if the same problem has occured again. Without luck and any doubt... we all know the result all too well.
     
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    i just have time to skim the thread atm so forgive me if i address things already addressed....

    i would also like to suggest you look further into getting another card if you want to play games well. now and for the future, a little. who would recommend an 8600GT to you on a brand new build? doesn't make sense that is a low budget card these days. hell when it came out it wasn't so great. i'd hate to see you solve your primary problem only to be disapponited by the fact even if all is ok the card just won't cut it in many games

    if cost is a concern get an 8800GS or 9600GSO (same card) if you go nvidia. these are the lowest cost cards that also offer exceptional performance at resolutions between 1280X1024 and 1440X900. they will also do well at 1650X1050 if you turn down the AA or perhaps adjust a setting or two.

    speaking of resolution, i wonder how big your monitor is and what resolution you are trying to game at? an 8600GT will lag at even 1280X1024 for many games and will lag severely at higher resolutions and settings. if you want to game at 1680X1050 or above with maximum settings including AA nothing less then a 8800GT 512mb will do imho. if on a budget, as said the 8800GS or 9600GSO. atm an 8800GS can be had for $100 after rebate....a few dollars more for the "superclocked" version. which i recommend if you don't overclock yourself.

    the rest of your 'puter is fine. happy gaming....


    EDIT: oh silly psychotronn, too!


    /goes back six or seven posts
     
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    what's AA? what's the difference between 8800GS/9600GSO and 8600GT?
     
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    well, AA (anti aisling) smooths out all the "jaggies" in the graphics. this is not a big deal to many as games take a performance hit for it and for many the benefits are not readily apparent. however the overall affect is more refined (less "rough") with smoother looking surfaces on a whole. it gets rid of the "shimmering" many game surfaces have that are actually many tiny jagged lines. at higher resolutions some say AA isn't worth as much, but i like to run it when i can

    big difference between a 8600GT and any 8800 series card. or the 9600GSO. i can't tell you the tech details exactly, but the 8600GT is just a much lower performing card. it has less memory, less "shaders" and is a lot slower. i know, i used to have one.

    it plays older or less demanding games fine if thats all you play, but when coming up against some games, meh. Bioshock, COD4, Stalker.....all high settings but for me only at 1024X768 with no AA and i still had some lag. Crysis? played it on medium, on high was unplayable.

    the lowliest 8800 (8800GS, same as 9600GSO) can play all these games on high and with the exception of Crysis at my native res of 1440X900 and with full AA with performance to spare. its like night and day.

    check my specs they are similar to yours. the 5600+ is only around 10% to 12% slower then the 6400+, so i figure you may get similar performance, although i have Vista so yours may be a bit better.

    so i'm just sayin', in your first post you said you had "lag." well, even if all is well and fine with your computer, depending on the game, you may still have lag. the 8600GT is half decent, but one of the cards i mentioned will more then double its performance all the while playing at higher resolution and higher settings....and for not much more money.

    just something to think about, i suppose. graphics cards are esay to swap out later....however if this is a new compuiter, just built, no reason not to spend just a little more for a lot more performance.


    EDIT: only a couple companies make the 8800GS. if you go with it get an evga model. the other model, XFX, is hella' noisy and the fan cannot be adjusted.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130333

    after rebate its pretty cheap. and yeah the rebate comes

    here is a 9600GSO:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130356

    same card, so why pay more?

    another GSO:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134046

    cheaper, and with a more reasonably sized (single slot) heat sink.

    the evga 8800GS i linked is factory overclocked. regular version is just $5 less, so....

    and finally, an 8600GT (your card) just $25 less after rebate for A LOT less performance:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130341
     
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    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

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    while the cards he speaks of are great, they'll ONLY have with newer games. if you dont play modern games it not worth it.

    My vote is for the 9600GT, or 8800GT in that order.
     
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    ^ i agree with this. the 8600GT (or any card) is fine if it does what you want it to. i don't like to get wrapped up in all the "fastest" stuff if their isn't a need. i stuck with the 8600GT for awhile before "upgrading." it did well while it was with me, and you can always upgrade later, too....

    i mentioned the 8800GS or 9600GSO only because you have a low cost card already, and for a little more you can get a lot more performance if its what you need. so if cost is a factor they make sense. if not, always get the most card you can for your money, period
     
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    i didnt ask a question, i told you how to find, and solve software problems if they exist <3

    ya tho i am really silly :?
     
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    you're silly cause what you suggested was done 6 postings before yours and the results are posted in .gif and .mpg format.



    I've just came back from the shop keeper's place. He told me 2 things that can explain why I can't play any of MY games:
    1. My games are too old (for those of you too lazy to read the previous postings here are the games: Warhammer 40K Dark Crusade, Caesar IV, Voyage Century Online) and that the game engine is no longer compatible with my "new and too advanced" video card.
    **Dark Crusade is 2~3 years old, Caesar IV 2~3 years old, Voyage Century Online is MMORP that's less than 2 years old.

    2. There's something wrong with my windows os (which I already know but was too lazy to fix. it's the iexplore.exe problem)


    When asked if he can fix the problem, he told me that he will reinstall my computer with his windows os instead, then the drivers etc. and if the problem is still there after he's messed with it then there's nothing more to do.

    When asked if I can get a less "new and advanced" video card to replace my all too special one, he told me that that is not possible because the older ones have all been discontinued and that I can't purchase them anywhere anymore.

    I donno, being a computer idiot, I'm all ears for you expert's opinions. What do you think?
     
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    i think what i suggested wasnt like that.... what i suggested was useing process explorer to track the actual cpu useage of each individual program to find the culprit

    are you talking about cpuz? :? i dont understand at all, but i never read anyone suggesting that you actualy track the cpu useage of all the programs or explain how to do it hmm,... i guess i missed that part sorry :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_8_series

    the 8600 GT is not THAT bad really, 22.4gb/sec memory bandwidth, 4320MP/s 8640MT/s

    if i had to guess I'd say its like probably pretty close to being in the range of the 7900GS and x1950pro performance wise

    and considering how encredibly bad you suggested programs were running, and these programs being stuff that doesnt have all that terrably high system requirements, I'd wager either you have a bad software problem [can be fixed how i said] or a hardware problem, but i really dont think that the 8600gt being an 8600gt is all THAT bad :p

    Caesar IV? that should run great and never mess up

    sorry if you missed my first post, it was the one about "process explorer"
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
     
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    lol. You people are crazy. What world do you live in? I have a 8500GT in my secondary system coupled with a P4, 1.5GB RAM and it plays freaking Unreal Tournament 3 at 1024 with all settings at 4. :laugh: You think that the problem here is that the 8600GT can't play Ceasar??? Many people finished Crysis, Bioshock,you name it, on that card just fine, also his CPU is really fast and he has 3GB RAM. It should tear through those games at all maximum settings. He should wait for the guy to reinstall WinXP or Vista on it and if it's still the same he should make him change it as it's faulty hardware.
     
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    his 'too advanced' comment is a piece of crap. i have an 8800Gt and 8800GTX and play dawn of war just fine.

    You have some form of software issue, but it COULD be caused by bad hardware. If the problem stays even after he messes with it, DEMAND a refund and build one yourself.
     
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    mrhuggles, sorry looks like I may have misunderstood you :(. Looks like I'm the silly one here. I thought you mean checking the Task Manager since I wasn't sure what your suggestion is and how to perform it.


    well... I am thinking of a refound... but what should I be refounding here? So far I've decided that I might go for a better mother board, hard drive and the video card, thus I'll probably refound those 3... anything else I should refound? I did get the whole package for 830CDN, 19" plasma screen all included, still donno if this is a good deal or what.

    If I do refound the parts... will you guys help me out with where to purchase the parts, what to purchase and how to put them together? It would be totally awesome if I can get some more help from great people like you :D (what other flattery words can I have here...). Please keep this post filled with suggestions :). Thanks a ton guys.
     
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    My suggestions would be to get an intel system with intel chipset board (asus or gigabyte) as they provide the best performance these days, with either ATI 3850 or Nvidia 9600GT for video.

    As an example, my PC is actually rather cheap. (prices are in Au, but similar to Ca)
    Asus P5K-E can be had for $160
    9600GT for $175
    Intel CPU's can go for as low as $80 (this is an overclocking board, so its easy to get say, a 1.8GHz CPU to 2.4GHz and save a lot of money)

    To be honest, case and hard drives and so on have little impact on performance - the other hardware can be adjusted to your budget and tastes.

    oh and to avoid confusion, please - you have an LCD, not a plasma. I know a lot of people get confused as they are similar in appearance, but they are VERY different in practice.
     
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    Get a refund and build a computer yourself. We'll help you out with whatever you need aside from money. lol
     
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    sorry I thought that plasma is the same as LCD, I do know that mine is a LCD model but I thought it's a more "technical name" for plasma. Would it be a good idea to keep my CPU chip? If I remember correctly he sold those to me for only 100 something CDN. (Originally it was only AMD Athlon64 AM2 6000+ Dual Core CPU but he later decided to give me AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ for the same price.)

    What do you mean by inter system? Do you mean mother board with intel chipset board? Do you have one model to suggest specificly? What website would be great to order these parts from?
     
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    i have no idea where you could get them. i'm not canadian. Yes i mean intel system - intel based motherboard with intel CPU, if you return the whole thing.

    While the 6400+ you have is good, the latest intels are simply better. *IF* you can return the whole thing, go intel if you cant, or choose the keep the 6400+, we can design a system around that.
     
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    i really <3 my cpu/motehrboard to death, but you could do alot better with something with a little more pep and a more user friendly board, also you could get a more modern board too [than mine]

    or if you wanna save money, a cheaper one :p

    i sugggest a 100 ish dollar gigabyte board, and a 65 ish dollar core2duo


    oops i forgot to say, the instructions i gave you were really simple i thought, if u wanna try it lemme know and i can try to give you some uhh, better[?] instructions, its a pretty easy and usefull thing to do, it will come in handy for you the rest of your life, or as long as you consort with those of the computer race.
     
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    i've got the P5K-E, which is quite a step up from the P5K you have. The overclocking is a lot easier and more stable.

    A good motherboard, ram and PSU should be the top of the design - you can overclock a cheap CPU, but if you cheap out on those main three... you're screwed.
     
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    i dissagree [at a first glance], i looked at your board and it looked like it had the same heatpipe+heatsinks as mine, mine is the p5k not the p5k se

    mine is stable at overclocking and has all the same options

    biggest difference is prolly raid ICH9R mine is ICH9 but, that shouldnt effect overclocking much right

    thats weird i just noticed, my heatsink on mine is a little different than the normal p5k's mine is the one from the E like yours, it looks like the one on the normal ones is sorta junky looking, thats weird. looked it up on newegg yay for their pics
     
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    well, mrhuggles please enlighten me then :) How do I perform the technic that you're talking about?

    The shop keeper says that he'll need a few days to mess with it (donno what he's doing that can take up to couple days with it). I'm thinking of keeping my CPU (~$100) and RAM (~$70) and let lose the motherboard and the hard drive. What are the things that a buyer should consider when buying a motherboard? How do you manage a over clocking board? Do you need to set something up in BIOS for it or it just comes with the motherboard?
     
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    Just for the hell of it, have you checked all of your temps when this happens?
     
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    yes 35C~40C
     
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    As a test, I don't expect you to keep it like this but, disable all sound acceleration and try gaming again to see if the problem persists.

    Push windows key + r, type in "dxdiag" and run that. Go to the sound tab and move that slider all the way to the left. Attempt that and report back.
     
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    I'd love to but I'd have to wait till I get my desktop back :)
     

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