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    Neuroscientists thought for a long time that neurons were the only brain cells that were really important for conscious thought, but they're beginning to realize otherwise. Electrical signaling I think can happen between glial cells too (see anon), but the pulses you read on an EEG are all being pumped out by neurons. Here's a good overview.

    more at the link - feed your head.
     
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    We'd have a need, if we didn't invent, stupid cell phones..lol..
     
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    don't "imho", bring forward some basic plausbility checks, like:

    typical cellphone peaks are in the 1 W power range. given 10 mV voltage in the brain that would require 100 amp current which you can't produce or transmit through tissue without incredible losses that generate heat and would probably make you burn up.

    cell phone range is only to the next tower, not to every human on the planet.

    also the limits for EM radiation by health organizations would be greatly exceeded by telepathy.
     
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    I am entitled to my opinion as you are your's and i was trying to express it humbly, apologies if i offended you.

    Our brain's are more complex "computer's" than our PC's, yet do they have the same power requirement's? Do they exhibit the exact same charecteristic's? Technoloogy is not nature & vice versa; although we try to use technology to change/replace nature and that, IMHO, is the biggest factor in stifling our evolutionary advancement.

    :eek:
     
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    i'm sorry. i sometimes come across as a bit blunt when it comes to these topics. i'm not offended in any way, and i didnt mean to offend you either.

    the brain operates on physical principles, just like any other technology. the brain uses energy (calories, which are just joules, which are watt seconds). the electric signals in it operate just like any other electric signal.

    actually i believe that technology is the only way to accelerate our evolution. biological evolution is incredibly slow, but technology seems to work on an exponential growth curve. the only evolutionary advantage we have over everything else that wants to eat us is that we have brains that we can use to build tools, that we can use to fix our evolutionary shortcomings.
     
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    Identifying and changing those things is where the problem lies. Kinda treading into "scary" territory with that one. Too many smart people will break the economy worse than it is already. :p

    However, if we have mechanical organs, it's only natural that things will progress in that direction.
     
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    strip away all your technology and go sit outside. which economy? i can haz water plz?
    if you are smart you will figure out how to use a rock to steal your neighbours water :p
     
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    Honestly our evolution has made us adapt faster then most everything else on the planet. If anything tech is WAY behind us. Tech will not make us "evolve" faster. If anything its holding us back.
     
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    see my previous post. we use tools (= technology) to adapt to problems. animals use evolution, see where it got them. humans are claiming every biological niche because we have technology to be able to use any niche
     
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    Evolution gave us the brain to make tools. Now these tools are making our brain apathetic.
     
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    that's a great point. without technology lazy people would just die, maybe that pollutes our gene pool?

    on the other hand we see individuals today do extraordinary things and communities form that wouldnt be possible before (like tpu!)
     
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    I actualy have to agree with TMM here :eek:

    Don't over simplify nature and the human "composition" W1zz.

    For the record i was/am not offended, my skin is thicker than that ;)

    Eugenics/natural selection is key to evolution and we are tossing that out the window with technology :(

    :toast:

    Edit: I should say that the integration of technology into our society is definately a good thing as it allows us to do thing's we otherwise would be incapable of but we have an over-dependance on it and as such we get where we are today. If that make's any sense?
     
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    I can dig that. :toast:
     
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    Just take a look at something like Dolphins and echo-location, how advanced is that!?!

    We think we are the shit because we have opposable thumbs and can communicate verbally and form "languages" :rolleyes:

    We are but a VERY small part of the life "line" on this planet, our species/genotype (or whatever it's called) is what; no more than 300k/400k years old :confused:

    In comparisson the earth is what, 4.5 billion or something?
     
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    We are 6.5 million years old (very young by evolution). Earth is about 4.5 BILLION give or take (young by planet standards). But that's been up for debate as carbon dating has been found to be flawed.
     
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    You caught me before ninja edit! lol

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

    Edit: Primates use tool's all the time, we are primates, a derrivate of anyways, therefore we are animals. Still.
     
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    You must understand D4S4, the planet that Easy Rhino is from has what is called Phalistimite which is a very necessary chemical compound for "faster than light" speed as humans refer to it. There is no known compound on Tera that compares to Phalistimite. Many off world beings have been put here on this planet in the attempt to recreate this compound in order for Phalite speed as it is called on other worlds.

    As the human race does not have the symbols to represent true Phalistimite I am unable to produce the chemical equation for this compound.

    I do not have the proper keyboard for doing this, so maybe, just maybe Easy Rhino has the keyboard to create an image of the chemical equation for you. :rockout:
     
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    The earth and humanity are 4000 years old.
     
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    Wrong place for that kind of comment. Unless it was a joke.
     
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    We will go much further, much faster, technically than biologically, I couldn't agree more.

    Imo though, necessity is the mother of invention. We have no necessity, so our bodies gave up evolving, a long time ago.. Mostly because we made them.. Cut out tech and we'd evolve faster but it would still be, a snails pace, for sure..

    In regards to telepathy though.. Lol cell signal and power ratings.. I always considered it, more of a constant bridge, that always exists. There is no loss of connection, no "signal", as we know them. The connection has always existed. To me the telepathic connection is like:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-mechanics-shown-work-visible-world-time.html
    The paddle is like our brain.. Exisiting in multiple states. Connected to other things, within that state.

    My gf is like... twice that.. >.>
    Carbon date my gf.. please..

    lol. We have a comedian.
     
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    Please see my previous post in case you missed it. AFAIK you can not carbon date rock and if i'm not mistaken they use some method of measuring radio active decay to calculate the age of the earth :confused:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

    Please see wiki link's above & below, although i'm sure you're being sarcastic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization#Early_civilizations

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe

    :eek:
     
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    Uranium isotopes I believe it is.. An atom decays at a set rate, measuring it's half life I think is what makes time measurable.. You do know rocks are made of atoms right? Rocks aren't just "rocks"..

    I'd be in here more, but I'm overclocking my new 680 and it's tuns o' fun... hehe...
     
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    Interesting discussion, courtesy of the link earlier provided by AphexDreamer



    Not sure if you're trolling or just presuming that i am massively ignorant? I guess i should have been more clear/specific in saying that it's efficacy in regards to calculating the age of the earth is inconsistent at best, if even possible. I assumed that it was "common" knowledge, my mistake :eek:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

    http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/parks/gtime/radiom.html

    http://www.c14dating.com/k12.html

    No matter; what ever i say is irrelevant anyways as i am simply a high school dropout, who was later expelled from college. I use "drugs"/sold drugs and even "pimped" women at one point in time of my life :eek:

    My main field of study/career was as an automotive service technician so therefore i am an imbecille ranting mindlessly about subjects which i can not begin to comprehend and are well beyond my mental capacity/interests.

    Sincerest apologies to all for reducing the intellectual quality of this conversation/topic.

    Good day :toast:
     
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    Everything is energy which we cannot see because of our limits with the naked eye and we live in a 3rd dimensional vibration frequency...hehe ;)
     
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    Lol you didn't, all are welcome. :)

    This is widely accepted as fact, for the most part. ;)
    couldn't see nebulas without multi-spectrum vision.
     
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